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RE: 2019 FCS Championship Game Postmortem
BTW, for those complaining that the Toyota Stadium seats were too far away from the field, the Superdome seats are just as far if not farther. Was very surprised to see that as I watched the Klumpson - LSU game.
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I just have this feeling Gage is going to take over and do very well at QB. His HS pedigree was pretty good, and we return a lot on O. On D lots to fill, but looks like a nice pickup today.
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2019 FCS Championship Game Postmortem
(01-13-2020 06:12 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 05:06 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 04:58 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Our last play… from a different angle

https://twitter.com/ryanmholloway/status...62945?s=21

That's the first time I re-watched. From that angle it appeared Polk was open but the throw was late.

aw man, yep, db read it and came off of riley to jump the pass to Polk. lob to Riley would have been open in the back corner. probably not a bad call by the coaches. if you are ndsu, you are thinking lob to riley. DB just made a play.

really cant blame Ben. Even though it may have been late, i still dont think the pass gets there if earlier. Play was designed to go to Polk and he beat his man and was open if the db doesnt come off riley.


Riley was open. That was the safer throw. Bummer!


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RE: 2019 FCS Championship Game Postmortem
(01-13-2020 10:32 PM)84Breeze Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 06:12 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 05:06 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 04:58 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Our last play… from a different angle

https://twitter.com/ryanmholloway/status...62945?s=21

That's the first time I re-watched. From that angle it appeared Polk was open but the throw was late.

aw man, yep, db read it and came off of riley to jump the pass to Polk. lob to Riley would have been open in the back corner. probably not a bad call by the coaches. if you are ndsu, you are thinking lob to riley. DB just made a play.

really cant blame Ben. Even though it may have been late, i still dont think the pass gets there if earlier. Play was designed to go to Polk and he beat his man and was open if the db doesnt come off riley.


Riley was open. That was the safer throw. Bummer!


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What did I miss about Gillespie? Why are folks questioning if he returns?
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(01-14-2020 01:41 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  What did I miss about Gillespie? Why are folks questioning if he returns?

I think most people are speculating because he walked with the seniors on Senior Day. I agree that it would be odd to walk again next year?
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(01-14-2020 01:41 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  What did I miss about Gillespie? Why are folks questioning if he returns?

He was recognized on senior day (as a RS-Junior)......some guy on there claimed to have some inside knowledge but did not supply any.
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(01-13-2020 09:58 PM)19Duke97 Wrote:  I just have this feeling Gage is going to take over and do very well at QB. His HS pedigree was pretty good, and we return a lot on O. On D lots to fill, but looks like a nice pickup today.

I think this is the third time we and 2 other coaches have thought that in the last two years. 04-cheers
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Re-watched the game for 1st time since returning from Frisco. I remember griping about this in-game but had forgotten its impact. We thoroughly sucked on screen passes of any type. No gainers at best. They were very prepared.
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(01-14-2020 02:35 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Re-watched the game for 1st time since returning from Frisco. I remember griping about this in-game but had forgotten its impact. We thoroughly sucked on screen passes of any type. No gainers at best. They were very prepared.

And unfortunately Dylan sort of slipped and sort of just flat-out whiffed the crucial block on what would've been another TD for Riley on one.
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RE: 2019 FCS Championship Game Postmortem
(01-14-2020 02:49 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 02:35 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Re-watched the game for 1st time since returning from Frisco. I remember griping about this in-game but had forgotten its impact. We thoroughly sucked on screen passes of any type. No gainers at best. They were very prepared.

And unfortunately Dylan sort of slipped and sort of just flat-out whiffed the crucial block on what would've been another TD for Riley on one.

Dylan got beat a few times on WR screens. Hasn't happened much this year, but it was clearly something NDSU worked on. He had one block where a CB stood him up and shed him with ease.

As usual, NDSU brings a different level of physicality.
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I'm sure I'm not alone on this but I'm still pretty damn depressed over the loss. Really wanted this one. I've been totally going through the motions at work so far this week. I feel like I could crawl in bed, pull the covers over my head, and sleep for a week.
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Due to inexplicably not targeting him much at all these last two games, Polk did not break any of the single season records he was closing in on. I realized he was getting more attention, but just surprised they didn't try to figure out a way to get the ball in his hands more especially since he can turn a 4 yard slant into a 45 yard gain.
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(01-14-2020 06:33 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  Due to inexplicably not targeting him much at all these last two games, Polk did not break any of the single season records he was closing in on. I realized he was getting more attention, but just surprised they didn't try to figure out a way to get the ball in his hands more especially since he can turn a 4 yard slant into a 45 yard gain.

He was definitely getting a lot of attention as evidenced but the INT at the end and that's what happens when you try to force the ball. As great as he was all year, you can't throw the ball to a guy who has 3 defenders around him. Like many have said, I wish we would have kept pounding the rock. I felt like they were wearing down.
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(01-14-2020 01:41 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  What did I miss about Gillespie? Why are folks questioning if he returns?

He is not returning according to a family member. Said Raymond did not wish to play anymore. I guess Raymond can always change his mind but as of last Thursday, he wasn’t returning for his last year of eligibility.

This isn’t the first time a football player has forgone eligibility to move on with life. He is a fine young man and I wish him well.
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In speaking with a knowledgeable NDSU fan, he told me the NDSU coaches had intentionally decided to use the QB as a runner in the championship game. Lance’s runs were not pass plays where he improvised. They were exactly what the coaches game planned to do.

They knew our DEs would often speed rush wide in passing situations. When they did, the remaining interior lineman run blocked the tackles creating huge holes for Lance. With the rest of the defense in man coverage, the receivers simply ran deep then started blocking. Caught us completely off guard.

Why we were not in zone coverage on 3rd and 23 is beyond understanding. No way Lance scores nor would he have gotten the first down if we played zone. We had NDSU in 2nd/3rd and long a lot in this game. Staying with man coverage in those situations killed us and played right into NDSUs game plan.

I felt our coaches went into this game thinking they would stay with what had worked all season. NDSU came in with a game plan tailored to beat our defense rather than do what they had done all year long.

With the exception of a bye week, coaches only have a few practices to prepare for the next game. It is tough to install new things. With three weeks to prepare, coaches who have played in championship games before know you have to have some new wrinkles and they have time to put them in. The players also have time to practice them. NDSUs staff better understood how to prepare for a championship game. Our coaches may have had more coaching experience in years but NDSU coaches had more championship game experience and it showed.
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As good as a place as any to post. I used to stop here last time we played. Great game by the Dukes...toughest defense we've played by far. The difference in the game was just a few plays. Absolutely love playing you guys...such a good team with a great fan base. I didn't make it to Frisco this year (first miss)...wife had work and we just couldn't make it...but I've met lots of your fans at Frisco and when you guys came to Fargo. To the posters that wonder how we would be after a loss, we'd welcome you into our tailgates and offer you beers as congratulations. Sure...we'd have a few jerks...every fanbase has them...but the majority would want to congratulate you even though it hurts. When you guys beat us at our place we welcomed your fans into the heated tents (yeah, it was really cold) and had beers together. Made sure to go congratulate the Duke fans the next day when I saw them walking downtown.

Both sides can/will easily see the other side as arrogant. Our teams were the top two and everybody else was quite far behind...tough for our/your fans to not get a big head...at least a little. The game lived up to the hype. Tons of respect for your team, coaches, and fans. Looking forward to the next meeting.
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(01-14-2020 09:34 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  In speaking with a knowledgeable NDSU fan, he told me the NDSU coaches had intentionally decided to use the QB as a runner in the championship game. Lance’s runs were not pass plays where he improvised. They were exactly what the coaches game planned to do.

They knew our DEs would often speed rush wide in passing situations. When they did, the remaining interior lineman run blocked the tackles creating huge holes for Lance. With the rest of the defense in man coverage, the receivers simply ran deep then started blocking. Caught us completely off guard.

Why we were not in zone coverage on 3rd and 23 is beyond understanding. No way Lance scores nor would he have gotten the first down if we played zone. We had NDSU in 2nd/3rd and long a lot in this game. Staying with man coverage in those situations killed us and played right into NDSUs game plan.

I felt our coaches went into this game thinking they would stay with what had worked all season. NDSU came in with a game plan tailored to beat our defense rather than do what they had done all year long.

With the exception of a bye week, coaches only have a few practices to prepare for the next game. It is tough to install new things. With three weeks to prepare, coaches who have played in championship games before know you have to have some new wrinkles and they have time to put them in. The players also have time to practice them. NDSUs staff better understood how to prepare for a championship game. Our coaches may have had more coaching experience in years but NDSU coaches had more championship game experience and it showed.
Our wrinkle was to run our third string QB with Ben out wide, something we'd never done to that point in the season. Not too hard to project there would be a lateral at some point. That to me was probably the worst thing the coaches did that game, we're lucky it didn't turn into something worse. The wrinkles should be modifications off of formations you run constantly, not completely new formations with new personnel that can only serve one or two purposes.
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(01-14-2020 02:35 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Re-watched the game for 1st time since returning from Frisco. I remember griping about this in-game but had forgotten its impact. We thoroughly sucked on screen passes of any type. No gainers at best. They were very prepared.

I re-watching our first drive. Then started watching their first drive. Got to the 3rd play - 3 & 11 when Trey ran for 30 yards and turned it off. Still too painful.

Such a big difference between winning that game and losing it.

We lose we are clearly the 2nd best team over the last four years. (1 Championship & 1-2 versus NDSU)

We win and we arguably are right with NDSU the last 4 years. (2 Championships & 2-1 versus NDSU)

Yeah, they had the reverse, but it was really we could not stop Trey on the ground. I just can't believe these players and our coaches could not contain him more. He's great, but the defensive coaches did not have the team ready for his running ability.
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(01-15-2020 09:47 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 02:35 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Re-watched the game for 1st time since returning from Frisco. I remember griping about this in-game but had forgotten its impact. We thoroughly sucked on screen passes of any type. No gainers at best. They were very prepared.

I re-watching our first drive. Then started watching their first drive. Got to the 3rd play - 3 & 11 when Trey ran for 30 yards and turned it off. Still too painful.

Such a big difference between winning that game and losing it.

We lose we are clearly the 2nd best team over the last four years. (1 Championship & 1-2 versus NDSU)

We win and we arguably are right with NDSU the last 4 years. (2 Championships & 2-1 versus NDSU)

Yeah, they had the reverse, but it was really we could not stop Trey on the ground. I just can't believe these players and our coaches could not contain him more. He's great, but the defensive coaches did not have the team ready for his running ability.

I've rewatched the game. Just kept noticing missed calls....

For example, on Lance's first run on 3rd and long, blatant missed block in the back on Word.

Lance's last TD run, massive hold on our DB. Even turned our guy around.

Had to stop watching at some points b/c I was livid.
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