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Understood, thank you.

And congratulations.

Please convince your QB to go on a five-year mission trip.
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I recognize that JMU in losing a QB and some key receivers and defensive players will be talked about as taking a step down next year. We return a very solid O Line for the most part, and all of our Running Backs. I think our depth will keep us where we are. A QB (Maloney or Johnson) will be effective with that O Line and running game. We will likely supplement with some transfers on either the D Line, LB, Secondary and WR.

North Dakota State is a juggernaut- they don't make mistakes and they are very solid on special teams. Under two different coaches we have come up short to them in the Championship. I wouldn't be surprised if next year we end up with another crack at them. JMU will be back next year. There is still a big separation between the Dukes and the rest of the CAA and I believe the Dukes will still be a cut above the rest of the FCS aside from N Dakota State.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-11-2020 11:13 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 11:04 PM)Ike N. Berry Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 10:45 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  I wish NDSU went FBS.... sigh.

Pardon my ignorance but is that on their radar at all? Maybe as a football-only member somewhere?


I'd say 30-40% of the fanbase wants FBS.
Alot of small town north dakota people think being top dog is the coolest thing ever.

President & AD have said they don't want to move up unless something breaks apart with the power 5 and G 5.

Personally Ive been pushing hard for it since Carson Wentz days! I think the President is close to retirement age and the AD is from Stony Brook and just happy to be here.... so there's not motivation for those 2.

if Mountain West gave us an Invite tomorrow or the American NDSU would say YES right away.

Mac or SunBelt probably not.

Stadium is 19,000 so it meets fbs requirement, but if NDSU built a 30k on campus stadium it would help.
Football Only would probably work easier since travel costs will be biggest deterrant

I feel similarly about you guys as I do about us, but maybe to an even greater extent. This is a ton of fun and as long as this is where we are I’m gonna enjoy it and will always support and love JMU sports no matter what... But when there isn’t really anywhere to go but down, you eventually will. Eventually you’ll make a bad hire at coach, or eventually another team or two will make a hire or series of hires as good as when JMU hired Withers then Houston and it becomes more difficult for NDSU/JMU to stay 1/2.

I’d love to see JMU use our current strength and momentum to continue improving as a member of a G5. If I were an NDSU fan I’d want the same. If looking to be a full member, seems there are likely more options that fit JMU than NDSU, but if football only is an option anywhere I think either one of them should be willing to jump on that as well.
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Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
I admittedly didn’t think we would be good in 2016 because I didn’t think Schor could carry the team. Obviously I was extremely wrong there. I feel the same way going into next season. I don’t think we are a national title contender with the current quarterbacks on our roster. If Maloney was special he would have proved it this year but he was clearly behind Johnson on the depth chart. I do not believe CJ is good enough to win a national championship. Kyle Adams remains to be seen. I think we need to land a transfer after spring ball to be serious contenders, otherwise, I think we are a three or four loss football team.
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Remember how NDSU was supposed to take a step back this season, and instead became the first team to go 16-0 at any level since 1894? We still return plenty of talent, and we will be fine.
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Quarterback is my main concern but I’m not too concerned about it. Of course losing guys like Daka, Carter, Stapleton, Polk, etc. will hurt but I’m confident in JMU having solid guys ready to fill those shoes.

Quarterback, I haven’t really seen anything from Maloney or Johnson that makes me think it won’t be a pretty significant drop off. Like Newbill said though, I thought Lee to Schor would be a massive drop off. The dual QB stuff showed who’s probably the real #2 guy in Cignetti’s mind(although I’m not sure why he then makes CJ the official #2) so hopefully there’s a lot of talent there that we haven’t really seen yet. And I trust that Cignetti will properly judge whether or not he needs to try and land a solid transfer QB. He’s very much of a “losing is never acceptable at JMU” guy, he’s not going to be content with a down year and then back to a contender in 2021.
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(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:02 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 05:39 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I’m down. JMU Athletics (Charlie King) tells me FCS is where we need to be, but won’t provide a quality experience in the national semis at home...a game that should be THE biggest game for JMU FB. Because why? Because they don’t want to pay someone to move some leftover beers over to Convo? Shameful.

This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Utley, we needed you there! It's the 1st big game that I've not see you there...Whitey
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(01-11-2020 06:57 PM)Dignan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:02 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 05:39 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I’m down. JMU Athletics (Charlie King) tells me FCS is where we need to be, but won’t provide a quality experience in the national semis at home...a game that should be THE biggest game for JMU FB. Because why? Because they don’t want to pay someone to move some leftover beers over to Convo? Shameful.

This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Wow, this sounds like a surrender post. Let’s just f’ing beat the Bison from now on.

I agree. What does moving up do for us? Yeah, I’m pissed today. Really pissed. However, how amazing was this run? I would MUCH rather be here than having our best possible season end with us vs (fill in some team w a 25-30 national rank) in the Menards Shovel bowl somewhere in the Midwest that no one will go to.
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(01-11-2020 06:57 PM)Dignan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:02 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 05:39 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I’m down. JMU Athletics (Charlie King) tells me FCS is where we need to be, but won’t provide a quality experience in the national semis at home...a game that should be THE biggest game for JMU FB. Because why? Because they don’t want to pay someone to move some leftover beers over to Convo? Shameful.

This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Wow, this sounds like a surrender post. Let’s just f’ing beat the Bison from now on.

I agree. What does moving up do for us? Yeah, I’m pissed today. Really pissed. However, how amazing was this run? I would MUCH rather be here than having our best possible season end with us vs (fill in some team w a 25-30 national rank) in the Menards Shovel bowl somewhere in the Midwest that no one will go to.
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I’m guessing Maloney did the role of scout team QB version of Trey Lance well enough for 3 weeks that they added a wrinkle to the playbook with him out there. But if Ben actually got hurt it would have been CJ out there.
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Guys it’s not really difficult to figure out why Gage was out there. Aside from HCCC literally saying it in the post game press conference, it’s also pretty easy to see Gage is a bigger guy and a better runner than CJ. Those wildcat designed runs are usually downhill in nature and better suits Gage then CJ.
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(01-12-2020 03:06 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Guys it’s not really difficult to figure out why Gage was out there. Aside from HCCC literally saying it in the post game press conference, it’s also pretty easy to see Gage is a bigger guy and a better runner than CJ. Those wildcat designed runs are usually downhill in nature and better suits Gage then CJ.

If they both have similar arm talent I see Cignetti going with Gage for his running ability. Very similar to Trey Lance size. Plus he would have 2 years as the starter. At a certain point we cant rely on getting a QB transfer and develop what we have. Gage as been the heir apparent since he got on campus
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(01-12-2020 11:29 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  I admittedly didn’t think we would be good in 2016 because I didn’t think Schor could carry the team. Obviously I was extremely wrong there. I feel the same way going into next season. I don’t think we are a national title contender with the current quarterbacks on our roster. If Maloney was special he would have proved it this year but he was clearly behind Johnson on the depth chart. I do not believe CJ is good enough to win a national championship. Kyle Adams remains to be seen. I think we need to land a transfer after spring ball to be serious contenders, otherwise, I think we are a three or four loss football team.

I talked to Bryan Schor yesterday at our postgame tailgate and asked him what he thought about the last play of the game. He was clearly trying to cover for Cig and the team when he said two running plays would be low percentage, therefore, the passing play was the right call.

I couldn't disagree more. If we couldn't take it in with two plays from three yards out with Latrele or Latrele leading DiNucci, then I would have been OK with the loss. The passing play called made as much sense to me as a field goal attempt.
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(01-12-2020 02:41 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:57 PM)Dignan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:02 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 05:39 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I’m down. JMU Athletics (Charlie King) tells me FCS is where we need to be, but won’t provide a quality experience in the national semis at home...a game that should be THE biggest game for JMU FB. Because why? Because they don’t want to pay someone to move some leftover beers over to Convo? Shameful.

This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Wow, this sounds like a surrender post. Let’s just f’ing beat the Bison from now on.

I agree. What does moving up do for us? Yeah, I’m pissed today. Really pissed. However, how amazing was this run? I would MUCH rather be here than having our best possible season end with us vs (fill in some team w a 25-30 national rank) in the Menards Shovel bowl somewhere in the Midwest that no one will go to.

The sooner everyone realizes that the FCS Championship game in Frisco, TX isn't even on the same level as the Menards Shovel Bowl the better.

#1 vs #2 with 3 weeks of lead up..... 17K people. And that's with knowing there was a 90% chance your team would be there before week 1.

I didn't used to feel his way, but the past 2 years or so I've really changed my mind on it.

As another poster has said, there is nowhere to go in FCS except down from here. Hopefully the resolution is being worked in the background.
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Appreciate hearing your perspective 007.
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(01-12-2020 05:37 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 02:41 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:57 PM)Dignan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:02 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  

This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Wow, this sounds like a surrender post. Let’s just f’ing beat the Bison from now on.

I agree. What does moving up do for us? Yeah, I’m pissed today. Really pissed. However, how amazing was this run? I would MUCH rather be here than having our best possible season end with us vs (fill in some team w a 25-30 national rank) in the Menards Shovel bowl somewhere in the Midwest that no one will go to.

The sooner everyone realizes that the FCS Championship game in Frisco, TX isn't even on the same level as the Menards Shovel Bowl the better.

#1 vs #2 with 3 weeks of lead up..... 17K people. And that's with knowing there was a 90% chance your team would be there before week 1.

I didn't used to feel his way, but the past 2 years or so I've really changed my mind on it.

As another poster has said, there is nowhere to go in FCS except down from here. Hopefully the resolution is being worked in the background.

Respectfully disagree. App St had an amazing season, maybe their best ever, we’re ranked 20th at one point and had 21k in New Orleans for their bowl this year. Granted, they played 1-2 “marquee” teams during the regular season, but an iffy schedule the rest of the way (and a ton of travel = $$$). I hear your argument, just not seeing that much upside and don’t want to become ODU
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(01-12-2020 07:33 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 05:37 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 02:41 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:57 PM)Dignan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  [u]
This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Wow, this sounds like a surrender post. Let’s just f’ing beat the Bison from now on.

I agree. What does moving up do for us? Yeah, I’m pissed today. Really pissed. However, how amazing was this run? I would MUCH rather be here than having our best possible season end with us vs (fill in some team w a 25-30 national rank) in the Menards Shovel bowl somewhere in the Midwest that no one will go to.

The sooner everyone realizes that the FCS Championship game in Frisco, TX isn't even on the same level as the Menards Shovel Bowl the better.

#1 vs #2 with 3 weeks of lead up..... 17K people. And that's with knowing there was a 90% chance your team would be there before week 1.

I didn't used to feel his way, but the past 2 years or so I've really changed my mind on it.

As another poster has said, there is nowhere to go in FCS except down from here. Hopefully the resolution is being worked in the background.

Respectfully disagree. App St had an amazing season, maybe their best ever, we’re ranked 20th at one point and had 21k in New Orleans for their bowl this year. Granted, they played 1-2 “marquee” teams during the regular season, but an iffy schedule the rest of the way (and a ton of travel = $$$). I hear your argument, just not seeing that much upside and don’t want to become ODU

If we were to become ODU at the FBS level, then we would be like ODU at the FCS level.... except we aren't!

We are nothing like ODU. They suck! We don't. We will be at or near the top of any FBS conference we join, even the AAC where we may not be #1 or #2 in our first season, but we will definitely be in the upper half.
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I’d take the Superdome over the second-rate experience that is Toyota Stadium 12 times out of 10. I’ve traveled all 3 times, but ehhhhh on doing it again. I respect the hell out of NDSU, but there’s just not many compelling matchups at the FCS level in my opinion.

I attended exactly half of the games this year, but made sure to attend WVU & all of the playoff games. Work prevented the rest. I could have traveled to Stony Brook, but didn’t. Guys, I’m pretty passionate about JMU Football.

The rise in number of Indy FBS programs makes it more possible to build an attractive OOC schedule with a smattering of UConn, UMass and even Liberty. Ironically, this “move up” would only really allow us to get BACK to playing those two former conference mates. It wouldn't even be much progress just returning to what once was. Throw in some App State games & Charlotte/Marshall & you’ve got a great mix of stadiums to travel to if you’re a VA-based fan.

I hope this is something we see soon. Even if it means an away game or two for a conference opponent further away than we prefer.
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(01-12-2020 05:37 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 02:41 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:57 PM)Dignan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:16 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 06:02 PM)jmutley83 Wrote:  

This blows! Let’s move up now! NDSU has got this locked down for at least two years.

Wow, this sounds like a surrender post. Let’s just f’ing beat the Bison from now on.

I agree. What does moving up do for us? Yeah, I’m pissed today. Really pissed. However, how amazing was this run? I would MUCH rather be here than having our best possible season end with us vs (fill in some team w a 25-30 national rank) in the Menards Shovel bowl somewhere in the Midwest that no one will go to.

The sooner everyone realizes that the FCS Championship game in Frisco, TX isn't even on the same level as the Menards Shovel Bowl the better.

#1 vs #2 with 3 weeks of lead up..... 17K people. And that's with knowing there was a 90% chance your team would be there before week 1.

I didn't used to feel his way, but the past 2 years or so I've really changed my mind on it.

As another poster has said, there is nowhere to go in FCS except down from here. Hopefully the resolution is being worked in the background.
Come on. It was just under 18k (17,866) with undoubtedly several thousand that didn’t make it with massive flight delays/cancellations and terrible weather Fri until Sat morning.

Meanwhile that Menard’s Shovel Bowl, the Tropical Smoothie Cafe Frisco Bowl, had 12,120.

12-1 in G5 will get you a toilet bowl. App St went 12-1 and got to face 9-4 UAB, and only had 21,202 in the New Orleans Bowl..
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And I strongly agree that we are different than ODU. Bold leaders can harness the energy of our alumni and students to show why we are different than ODU.
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