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(12-31-2019 03:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 03:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  OK, so Bowden completed ONE pass for a TD. I still think the Hokies should've been daring him to pass the whole game. I blame the loss on the long QB touchdown run in the first half, not on that TD with 15 seconds left.

Having to settle for FGs on those last two drives didn’t help either. Punch just one in for 6 and you win.

Good point. There were at least 3 ways the Hokies could've won the game - but they have to mess up all 3 to lose. Typical.
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(12-31-2019 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  VT is still a program fundamentally in deep doo doo. The next 2 seasons are critical for the Hokies to determine if they'll pick up the Beamer mantle or if they're going for a decidedly more Kansas State approach (going to rehire Frank for another 6-8 years if it craters?).

I really don't understand this reasoning. Fuente's teams have been extremely young the past two seasons. VT returns 21 of 22 starters next season. Other than this year's small recruiting class, Fuente's recruiting classes have all been ranked around #25.

If they don't live up to expectations next year, then sure, I think it's time to rethink things. Youth won't be an excuse any more, and it's fully Fuente's guys in the program now, all the way from the players on the field to the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the doom & gloom surrounding the program, even from Hokie fans that follow it closely.
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(01-02-2020 11:47 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  VT is still a program fundamentally in deep doo doo. The next 2 seasons are critical for the Hokies to determine if they'll pick up the Beamer mantle or if they're going for a decidedly more Kansas State approach (going to rehire Frank for another 6-8 years if it craters?).

I really don't understand this reasoning. Fuente's teams have been extremely young the past two seasons. VT returns 21 of 22 starters next season. Other than this year's small recruiting class, Fuente's recruiting classes have all been ranked around #25.

If they don't live up to expectations next year, then sure, I think it's time to rethink things. Youth won't be an excuse any more, and it's fully Fuente's guys in the program now, all the way from the players on the field to the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the doom & gloom surrounding the program, even from Hokie fans that follow it closely.

I'm cautiously optimistic. As you say, except for this year's class, I've been pleased with recruiting for now (needs to improve, but that usually comes AFTER winning). My only beef has been with in-game coaching at times - losing too many winnable games, IMO. That may (or may not) improve.
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(01-02-2020 11:47 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  VT is still a program fundamentally in deep doo doo. The next 2 seasons are critical for the Hokies to determine if they'll pick up the Beamer mantle or if they're going for a decidedly more Kansas State approach (going to rehire Frank for another 6-8 years if it craters?).

I really don't understand this reasoning. Fuente's teams have been extremely young the past two seasons. VT returns 21 of 22 starters next season. Other than this year's small recruiting class, Fuente's recruiting classes have all been ranked around #25.

If they don't live up to expectations next year, then sure, I think it's time to rethink things. Youth won't be an excuse any more, and it's fully Fuente's guys in the program now, all the way from the players on the field to the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the doom & gloom surrounding the program, even from Hokie fans that follow it closely.



They lost like a fifth of their roster to transfer. You don't just replace 20 dudes without repercussions. The anchor of the program (Bud Foster) is leaving this year. I think Bud is as important to what VT was doing as Ralph Friedgen was for GT in the 90's. Basically, the margin of error has shrunk substantially in Blacksburg. VT could play so-so and stumble to 10 win seasons not long ago. If they play so-so these days they barely make a bowl. I think so-so going forward will be no bowl.
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(01-02-2020 12:10 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:47 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  VT is still a program fundamentally in deep doo doo. The next 2 seasons are critical for the Hokies to determine if they'll pick up the Beamer mantle or if they're going for a decidedly more Kansas State approach (going to rehire Frank for another 6-8 years if it craters?).

I really don't understand this reasoning. Fuente's teams have been extremely young the past two seasons. VT returns 21 of 22 starters next season. Other than this year's small recruiting class, Fuente's recruiting classes have all been ranked around #25.

If they don't live up to expectations next year, then sure, I think it's time to rethink things. Youth won't be an excuse any more, and it's fully Fuente's guys in the program now, all the way from the players on the field to the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the doom & gloom surrounding the program, even from Hokie fans that follow it closely.

They lost like a fifth of their roster to transfer. You don't just replace 20 dudes without repercussions. The anchor of the program (Bud Foster) is leaving this year. I think Bud is as important to what VT was doing as Ralph Friedgen was for GT in the 90's. Basically, the margin of error has shrunk substantially in Blacksburg. VT could play so-so and stumble to 10 win seasons not long ago. If they play so-so these days they barely make a bowl. I think so-so going forward will be no bowl.

Bud's defenses have really underperformed in recent years. Not saying the new staff will do better, but his best days were probably behind him already.
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(01-02-2020 12:10 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:47 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  VT is still a program fundamentally in deep doo doo. The next 2 seasons are critical for the Hokies to determine if they'll pick up the Beamer mantle or if they're going for a decidedly more Kansas State approach (going to rehire Frank for another 6-8 years if it craters?).

I really don't understand this reasoning. Fuente's teams have been extremely young the past two seasons. VT returns 21 of 22 starters next season. Other than this year's small recruiting class, Fuente's recruiting classes have all been ranked around #25.

If they don't live up to expectations next year, then sure, I think it's time to rethink things. Youth won't be an excuse any more, and it's fully Fuente's guys in the program now, all the way from the players on the field to the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the doom & gloom surrounding the program, even from Hokie fans that follow it closely.



They lost like a fifth of their roster to transfer. You don't just replace 20 dudes without repercussions. The anchor of the program (Bud Foster) is leaving this year. I think Bud is as important to what VT was doing as Ralph Friedgen was for GT in the 90's. Basically, the margin of error has shrunk substantially in Blacksburg. VT could play so-so and stumble to 10 win seasons not long ago. If they play so-so these days they barely make a bowl. I think so-so going forward will be no bowl.

I think the transfer stuff is overblown. If it was as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be, how did this year's team finish with more wins than last year's team - the one that needed UVA to shoot themselves in the foot to make a bowl game last year? We were young this year (again), but finished with a better record and team stats across the board.

People saw all the contributors leaving a 6-win team, but never considered that maybe they were part of the problem after all. Once this year's team got exposed by Duke, they righted the ship and were a win away from being Coastal champs.

As far as Bud goes, I tend to agree with Mark. Dude is rightfully considered a defensive genius, but there's been enough of a shift in college football over the past half decade that what made him so successful has been difficult to maintain as spread offenses became the norm. His schemes have always relied on gap fits to allow a free hitter, but as more of the game is played in space the margin for error for that free hitter is smaller.

There's already been talk of the new defensive staff prioritizing length on the DL, where Bud & Charley Wiles (also leaving) have prioritized motor and "twitch" (speed off the line) over size. Granted, that's mostly because during VT's football relevance, the guys who have great motor, twitch and size end up at blue blood programs. Guys like Tim Settle ending up at VT were the exception, not the norm.

VT is certainly in an interesting phase right now, but I'm more optimistic about the future than most.
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(01-02-2020 01:27 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think the transfer stuff is overblown. If it was as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be, how did this year's team finish with more wins than last year's team - the one that needed UVA to shoot themselves in the foot to make a bowl game last year?

The same way Chan Gailey got to an ACC title game against Wake Forest in 2006: he stayed the same while the rest of the conference got a lot worse. Finishing with good stats in this year's ACC -- particularly in the Coastal -- is no great feat.
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(01-02-2020 01:36 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:27 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think the transfer stuff is overblown. If it was as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be, how did this year's team finish with more wins than last year's team - the one that needed UVA to shoot themselves in the foot to make a bowl game last year?

The same way Chan Gailey got to an ACC title game against Wake Forest in 2006: he stayed the same while the rest of the conference got a lot worse. Finishing with good stats in this year's ACC -- particularly in the Coastal -- is no great feat.

DISAGREE. The only Coastal team that was worse in 2019 than it was in 2018 was Pitt. Clearly improved: UNC and GT. Somewhat improved: UVA. Miami and Duke were about the same.
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(01-02-2020 02:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:36 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:27 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think the transfer stuff is overblown. If it was as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be, how did this year's team finish with more wins than last year's team - the one that needed UVA to shoot themselves in the foot to make a bowl game last year?

The same way Chan Gailey got to an ACC title game against Wake Forest in 2006: he stayed the same while the rest of the conference got a lot worse. Finishing with good stats in this year's ACC -- particularly in the Coastal -- is no great feat.

DISAGREE. The only Coastal team that was worse in 2019 than it was in 2018 was Pitt. Clearly improved: UNC and GT. Somewhat improved: UVA. Miami and Duke were about the same.

GT, Pitt, Miami, and Duke were all worse. No comparison in QB play last year vs this year for Duke. Cutcliffe was running triple option sets for crying out loud. FIU and La Tech invalidate the Canes being anything other than horrendous. Pitt we agree on already. GT went bowling last year and clocked in their worst season in my entire adult lifetime this year.

UVA was marginally better ... and almost all of that was Perkins. UNC was better.

That just leaves the Hokies.
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FSU was better.
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(01-02-2020 02:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 02:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:36 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:27 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think the transfer stuff is overblown. If it was as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be, how did this year's team finish with more wins than last year's team - the one that needed UVA to shoot themselves in the foot to make a bowl game last year?

The same way Chan Gailey got to an ACC title game against Wake Forest in 2006: he stayed the same while the rest of the conference got a lot worse. Finishing with good stats in this year's ACC -- particularly in the Coastal -- is no great feat.

DISAGREE. The only Coastal team that was worse in 2019 than it was in 2018 was Pitt. Clearly improved: UNC and GT. Somewhat improved: UVA. Miami and Duke were about the same.

GT, Pitt, Miami, and Duke were all worse. No comparison in QB play last year vs this year for Duke. Cutcliffe was running triple option sets for crying out loud. FIU and La Tech invalidate the Canes being anything other than horrendous. Pitt we agree on already. GT went bowling last year and clocked in their worst season in my entire adult lifetime this year.

UVA was marginally better ... and almost all of that was Perkins. UNC was better.

That just leaves the Hokies.

I'm sorry, you're correct: GT was worse this year (they were much better by the end of the season than they were at the beginning - maybe even better than end of last year - but on the WHOLE not as good as last year)
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Can someone explain why every BC bowl game gets weather delayed/cancelled?
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(01-02-2020 03:30 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Can someone explain why every BC bowl game gets weather delayed/cancelled?

The curse of Jags?
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Goes further back, they are still paying for beating ND in 1993 that allowed FSU to back door in the NC game. FSU will always be grateful to them.
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BC missing their HC and about half their starters

I expect them to lose 45-7
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(01-02-2020 06:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  BC missing their HC and about half their starters

I expect them to lose 45-7

What happened to their starters?
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(01-02-2020 03:30 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Can someone explain why every BC bowl game gets weather delayed/cancelled?

ACC fans should have been rooting for the cancel. 05-stirthepot
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(01-02-2020 06:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  BC missing their HC and about half their starters

I expect them to lose 45-7

38-6. UC out gained BC 459-163 in yardage. We sat our starters in the 4th. BC lone score was on FG block return for TD.
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