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There's no such thing as the P6. There is a P5 and there is a G5. It's as simple as that. Arguing with a bunch of P5 wannabe's in the AAC is pointless. They're totally lost in their P6 fantasy world.

The AAC is the best of the G5 right now, there's no one denying that, but just like every other conference, half of the football teams in the AAC totally suck. It's like this every single year and it always will be. The only thing that ever changes is the names of the schools that are on top, and the names of the schools that are the bottom dwellers. Nobody stays on top forever, and MOST schools don't stay down forever.
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(12-31-2019 02:07 AM)TroyMan88 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 02:15 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Haha, I got neg-repped for telling it like it is. They're a bunch of softies over there.

I had an 8 rep and it magically went down to 4

Thanks CatMom for making up for it! 04-cheers

If I had the ability, I would +Rep you all.

@Goronic: Definitely doesn't work like that. When would it end? Of course, they're trying.

The AAC is least viable of all conferences. They're just a hodgepodge, that as soon as a real P5 expands, their schools will jump ship. Geography, traditional ties, none of it means anything to that conference. It's... a joke that replaced the joke that was the Big East (that still made more sense than the AAC).
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(12-31-2019 07:56 AM)Guardian Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 02:07 AM)TroyMan88 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 02:15 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Haha, I got neg-repped for telling it like it is. They're a bunch of softies over there.

I had an 8 rep and it magically went down to 4

Thanks CatMom for making up for it! 04-cheers

If I had the ability, I would +Rep you all.

@Goronic: Definitely doesn't work like that. When would it end? Of course, they're trying.

The AAC is least viable of all conferences. They're just a hodgepodge, that as soon as a real P5 expands, their schools will jump ship. Geography, traditional ties, none of it means anything to that conference. It's... a joke that replaced the joke that was the Big East (that still made more sense than the AAC).

traditional ties dont mean much to any conference any more. the P5 are mostly the state flagship schools that most people in their state support and root for and are the face of their state. they generate most of the ticket sales and revenue and tv viewers not the teams in the G5. just look at A&M leaving 100 years of traditional ties behind to join the sec...purely a money and recognition decision. no G5 school will ever be the face of their state and garner all the money and support. that's just the way it is. all we can hope for is more relevance my improving our product. IMHO
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(12-31-2019 08:11 AM)runamuck Wrote:  traditional ties dont mean much to any conference any more. the P5 are mostly the state flagship schools that most people in their state support and root for and are the face of their state. they generate most of the ticket sales and revenue and tv viewers not the teams in the G5. just look at A&M leaving 100 years of traditional ties behind to join the sec...purely a money and recognition decision. no G5 school will ever be the face of their state and garner all the money and support. that's just the way it is. all we can hope for is more relevance my improving our product. IMHO

I think because Texas A&M is who they are, they can make the decision to go anywhere and profit from it. As a fan of a smaller school, I would prefer them to play teams that fit into either of two criteria: It means something geographically, and its teams we can be competitive against. Ok, we're not the flagship school of the state, got it. BUT, if we're able to be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the state and beat the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the surrounding states, it does make me feel good about our program.

Then you have Georgia State drop the hammer on Tennessee and App State win the Carolina's and it gets even better. They weren't supposed to be competitive, but there's a geographic reason to play them. Oh, and now (until next year), we're the best team in our geographic region.
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RE: The AAC board is a joke.
(12-30-2019 12:20 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 11:31 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 11:15 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(12-28-2019 10:57 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.

I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.

If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.

Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.

Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.

Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.

Overrated.

How Navy is ranked...

Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38

Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).

You keep being you, though, ericsaid.

35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are

How bout now?
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RE: The AAC board is a joke.
(12-31-2019 07:08 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:20 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 11:31 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 11:15 AM)runamuck Wrote:  I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.

If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.

Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.

Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.

Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.

Overrated.

How Navy is ranked...

Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38

Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).

You keep being you, though, ericsaid.

35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are

How bout now?

Solid win. I would definitely keep you guys in the Top 25...
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(12-31-2019 07:10 PM)Goronic Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 07:08 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:20 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 11:31 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.

Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.

Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.

Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.

Overrated.

How Navy is ranked...

Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38

Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).

You keep being you, though, ericsaid.

35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are

How bout now?

Solid win. I would keep you guys in the Top 25...

Thanks, man. Thats our third win better than ULL, UNC and S.Carolina
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(12-31-2019 07:12 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 07:10 PM)Goronic Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 07:08 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:20 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  How Navy is ranked...

Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38

Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).

You keep being you, though, ericsaid.

35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are

How bout now?

Solid win. I would keep you guys in the Top 25...

Thanks, man. Thats our third win better than ULL, UNC and S.Carolina

Not sure if you will leap over App State - but you may.
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(12-31-2019 07:38 PM)Goronic Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 07:12 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 07:10 PM)Goronic Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 07:08 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:20 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are

How bout now?

Solid win. I would keep you guys in the Top 25...

Thanks, man. Thats our third win better than ULL, UNC and S.Carolina

Not sure if you will leap over App State - but you may.

I would be extremely surprised if we did. Wouldnt be my ballot. 13-1 is 13-1
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(12-31-2019 08:11 AM)runamuck Wrote:  No G5 school will ever be the face of their state and garner all the money and support. that's just the way it is.
Boise State. Wyoming.

Next. Man. Up.
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(12-30-2019 10:14 PM)Goronic Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 02:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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(12-30-2019 12:25 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 12:20 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are

But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.

App had more Top 40 wins according to ESPN's FPI than any other G3 teams.

Come at me bro.

Who?
Not Louisiana. They're #42.
Which means Memphis has just as many "FPI Top 40 wins" at two as App State.
Sidebar - if FPI has 4-8 South Carolina at #39, that kind of tells you what you should know about using it as an ordinal ranking.
However, if you like ESPN's FPI...then to judge resumes you should look at the FPI "Strength of Record." Navy is #21 in Strength of Record and App State is #18.

(Rankings I used were CFP where applicable, Massey Composite otherwise. The composite of 106 rankings means you're not subject to a single ranking being ridiculed, as is easy with any thing saying 4-8 South Carolina is #39 in the country.)

Don't bring that G4 crap in here. That makes you guys sound like damn fools when you say it. P6 is a lie - not real. Saying something that isn't true doesn't make it true. I am surprised I have to say this. There is a good shot that a non AAC team is ranked the highest in the G5 at year end.

The AAC better hope that other G5 conferences don't start going to the NY6 bowl. Because that would really throw a wrench in the whole perception vs reality AAC dream.

By they way...the NCAA - and exiting P5 conferences - won't just take the 'best' G5 and then make them a power conference. Why would they? Any reason at all? Also, someone has to be the top G5 - doesn't mean they automatically get moved up. Let's, for argument sake, say the AAC goes up. Then the next highest G4 (sounds dumb even typing that) conference in the rankings stays near the top for a couple of years. Do we then make them a power conference!? Then we have P7 and G3??? Nonsense!

Of course that's what we hope. And WE are making moves to ensure it doesn't happen. We deserve an auto-bid to one of the NY6 bowls. We deserve it for three reasons.
1) It was taken FROM us. We had it in 2013. It was taken from us because of the advent of the CFP the following year.
2) We travel (to bowls in particular) like power conference teams. For instance, we actually outnumbered Penn State fans (one of the largest and most dedicated fan bases in the country) this year at the Cotton Bowl. We had an estimated 30K at that bowl.
3) This is what it looked like after the 2017 season:

[Image: 37701634_1999186620112027_73233139600594...e=5EA84AFC]

I don't know what it looked like last season when UCF lost to whomever in the NY6 bowl, and I don't know what it will look like this year, but I have my suspicions. Especially with the number of ranked teams we had this year. We are clearly the tweener conference. We do not belong with the G4, as this graph shows. We are not at the true power level yet, but that's where we intend to land. You guys can do what you want.
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Here you go:
[Image: MC2016.png]

[Image: mc2017.png]

[Image: MC2018.png]

[Image: MC2019.png]

[Image: MC4yearavg.png]

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to add the labels on the 4 year average chart. I’ll reproduce it after the bowl games conclude and the Massey Composite updates.
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(12-27-2019 03:00 PM)AppYosef Wrote:  App St > UNC
UNC > Temple
Temple > Memphis

....

App St > Memphis

that's nice...we'll take the 4.5 million dollar check and 3 hour Memphis infomercial with Tiger football on ESPN and Tiger hoops on ESPN 2

'better' is decided on the balance sheet these days.

The Belt would be ecstatic to secure the Cotton and Liberty Bowls for their conference.
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(01-01-2020 09:47 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Here you go:
[Image: MC2016.png]

[Image: mc2017.png]

[Image: MC2018.png]

[Image: MC2019.png]

[Image: MC4yearavg.png]

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to add the labels on the 4 year average chart. I’ll reproduce it after the bowl games conclude and the Massey Composite updates.

And 2015 numbers:
SEC 36.69
PAC12 44.10
B12 45.92
B10 46.7
ACC 54.75
AAC 68.95
MAC 83.25
mwc 86.79
CUSA 90.92
SBC 93.71

In the five years of its current composition
2015 AAC #6 Closer to #5 than to #7-10
2016 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #8-10. Gap from #6-7 58% of the gap from #5-6.
2017 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #7-10. Closer to #1 than to #9-10.
2018 Down year, AAC #7, closer to #6 than a #7 has been to #6 AAC
2019 awaiting final results, AAC #6, decimal dust from #5 and closer to #2 than to #7-10
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(01-01-2020 03:59 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(01-01-2020 09:47 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Here you go:
[Image: MC2016.png]

[Image: mc2017.png]

[Image: MC2018.png]

[Image: MC2019.png]

[Image: MC4yearavg.png]

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to add the labels on the 4 year average chart. I’ll reproduce it after the bowl games conclude and the Massey Composite updates.

And 2015 numbers:
SEC 36.69
PAC12 44.10
B12 45.92
B10 46.7
ACC 54.75
AAC 68.95
MAC 83.25
mwc 86.79
CUSA 90.92
SBC 93.71

In the five years of its current composition
2015 AAC #6 Closer to #5 than to #7-10
2016 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #8-10. Gap from #6-7 58% of the gap from #5-6.
2017 AAC #6. Closer to #5 than to #7-10. Closer to #1 than to #9-10.
2018 Down year, AAC #7, closer to #6 than a #7 has been to #6 AAC
2019 awaiting final results, AAC #6, decimal dust from #5 and closer to #2 than to #7-10

I wonder what the AAC rank would have been without UConn during this time? It’d have a positive impact since you’re losing all their OOC losses, but I don’t know to what extent that impact would be. I don’t think it’s as easy as taking their rank out of the calculation altogether, because without UConn in the AAC other teams would be taking those L’s.
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Did you notice this fella disappeared for a few days til Navy won their game? I wonder if they had lost we would have been shed of him. Nice win BTW.
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(01-01-2020 08:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Did you notice this fella disappeared for a few days til Navy won their game? I wonder if they had lost we would have been shed of him. Nice win BTW.

On 26 December, I said "I don't want to wear out my welcome."
I still couldn't stay away and on the 30th responded to ericsaid's asinine why-is-Navy-even-ranked question with some factual data.
In the course of that exchange, runninjoe said, "Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue..." so when we did, I returned. In those couple posts I noted that I expect Appalachian State to end up the top-ranked non-contract-bowl-conference team.

Have a great 2020 - I'm back to "I don't want to wear out my welcome."
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(01-01-2020 08:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Did you notice this fella disappeared for a few days til Navy won their game? I wonder if they had lost we would have been shed of him. Nice win BTW.

On 26 December, I said "I don't want to wear out my welcome."
I still couldn't stay away and on the 30th responded to ericsaid's asinine why-is-Navy-even-ranked question with some factual data.
In the course of that exchange, runninjoe said, "Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue..." so when we did, I returned. In those couple posts I noted that I expect Appalachian State to end up the top-ranked non-contract-bowl-conference team.

Have a great 2020 - I'm back to "I don't want to wear out my welcome."

Thanks. We appreciate that.
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(01-01-2020 10:18 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(01-01-2020 08:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Did you notice this fella disappeared for a few days til Navy won their game? I wonder if they had lost we would have been shed of him. Nice win BTW.

On 26 December, I said "I don't want to wear out my welcome."
I still couldn't stay away and on the 30th responded to ericsaid's asinine why-is-Navy-even-ranked question with some factual data.
In the course of that exchange, runninjoe said, "Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue..." so when we did, I returned. In those couple posts I noted that I expect Appalachian State to end up the top-ranked non-contract-bowl-conference team.

Have a great 2020 - I'm back to "I don't want to wear out my welcome."

Navy is ranked 8 spots behind a team that beat them by 32 points. Either Notre Dame is underrated, which I believe that they were, or Navy is overrated. It's a simple preposition and completely valid.
01-02-2020 10:44 AM
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RE: The AAC board is a joke.
(01-02-2020 10:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(01-01-2020 10:18 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(01-01-2020 08:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Did you notice this fella disappeared for a few days til Navy won their game? I wonder if they had lost we would have been shed of him. Nice win BTW.

On 26 December, I said "I don't want to wear out my welcome."
I still couldn't stay away and on the 30th responded to ericsaid's asinine why-is-Navy-even-ranked question with some factual data.
In the course of that exchange, runninjoe said, "Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue..." so when we did, I returned. In those couple posts I noted that I expect Appalachian State to end up the top-ranked non-contract-bowl-conference team.

Have a great 2020 - I'm back to "I don't want to wear out my welcome."

Navy is ranked 8 spots behind a team that beat them by 32 points. Either Notre Dame is underrated, which I believe that they were, or Navy is overrated. It's a simple preposition and completely valid.

Well, it's a proposition, not a preposition....
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