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FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

Trask did line up under center though.

(12-30-2019 11:26 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

Trask did line up under center though.

And ran the worst looking option you will see :)

A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

I'd bet that 70-75% of FCS stadiums are like that.

(12-31-2019 11:03 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

Sounds pretty close to our last game this season. If you’re at the top of FCS (which we were and would be) you play in front of 15,000 fans in decent stadiums. In addition, at FCS you have a good chance of playing on ESPN during the playoffs. And actually competing for a championship. And for those who don’t know, JMU will be on actual ABC for their NC game. That is priceless tv exposure. They’ve had more impressive tv as an FCS program than most CUSA teams.

(12-31-2019 11:57 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:03 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

Sounds pretty close to our last game this season. If you’re at the top of FCS (which we were and would be) you play in front of 15,000 fans in decent stadiums. In addition, at FCS you have a good chance of playing on ESPN during the playoffs. And actually competing for a championship. And for those who don’t know, JMU will be on actual ABC for their NC game. That is priceless tv exposure. They’ve had more impressive tv as an FCS program than most CUSA teams.

I doubt we would draw 15,000 for FCS now that the newness has worn off and it would be stepping down in competition.

I did not know JMU was going to be on NBC as probably most did not because hardly anyone cares about the FCS playoffs. They might have a decent rating (not sure when it is), but its not like it's a step up from even the worst CUSA bowls.

I was able to watch every single ODU game this year without streaming some obscure site. That is not the case in CAA and we would miss a lot of the road games.

(12-31-2019 11:57 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:03 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

Sounds pretty close to our last game this season. If you’re at the top of FCS (which we were and would be) you play in front of 15,000 fans in decent stadiums. In addition, at FCS you have a good chance of playing on ESPN during the playoffs. And actually competing for a championship. And for those who don’t know, JMU will be on actual ABC for their NC game. That is priceless tv exposure. They’ve had more impressive tv as an FCS program than most CUSA teams.

I'd rather play UVA, VT, ECU, Wake Forest, etc. FBS isn't our problem. 1-11 was our problem.

FCS is dead. You have JMU, North Dakota State, and who else?

(12-31-2019 12:05 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:57 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:03 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

Sounds pretty close to our last game this season. If you’re at the top of FCS (which we were and would be) you play in front of 15,000 fans in decent stadiums. In addition, at FCS you have a good chance of playing on ESPN during the playoffs. And actually competing for a championship. And for those who don’t know, JMU will be on actual ABC for their NC game. That is priceless tv exposure. They’ve had more impressive tv as an FCS program than most CUSA teams.

I'd rather play UVA, VT, ECU, Wake Forest, etc. FBS isn't our problem. 1-11 was our problem.

FCS is dead. You have JMU, North Dakota State, and who else?

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(12-31-2019 12:05 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:57 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:03 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

Sounds pretty close to our last game this season. If you’re at the top of FCS (which we were and would be) you play in front of 15,000 fans in decent stadiums. In addition, at FCS you have a good chance of playing on ESPN during the playoffs. And actually competing for a championship. And for those who don’t know, JMU will be on actual ABC for their NC game. That is priceless tv exposure. They’ve had more impressive tv as an FCS program than most CUSA teams.

I'd rather play UVA, VT, ECU, Wake Forest, etc. FBS isn't our problem. 1-11 was our problem.

FCS is dead. You have JMU, North Dakota State, and who else?

Absolutely

(12-31-2019 12:37 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 12:05 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:57 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 11:03 AM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:51 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  A few years ago when we lived in New England, we attended (FCS) road games at Monmouth, Fordham, and Rhode Island each attended by less than 1,000 fans in aluminum bleacher stadiums. That’s not “purgatory”. It’s a death spiral.

Couldn't agree with this more!

Sounds pretty close to our last game this season. If you’re at the top of FCS (which we were and would be) you play in front of 15,000 fans in decent stadiums. In addition, at FCS you have a good chance of playing on ESPN during the playoffs. And actually competing for a championship. And for those who don’t know, JMU will be on actual ABC for their NC game. That is priceless tv exposure. They’ve had more impressive tv as an FCS program than most CUSA teams.

I'd rather play UVA, VT, ECU, Wake Forest, etc. FBS isn't our problem. 1-11 was our problem.

FCS is dead. You have JMU, North Dakota State, and who else?

YA ASKED

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Alabama A&M University
Alabama State University
Jacksonville State University
University of North Alabama
Samford University
Arizona

Northern Arizona University
Arkansas

University of Arkansas—Pine Bluff
University of Central Arkansas
California

California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly)
California State University, Sacramento (Sacramento State)
University of San Diego
University of California, Davis (UC Davis)
Colorado

University of Northern Colorado
Connecticut

Central Connecticut State University
Sacred Heart University
Yale University
Delaware

University of Delaware
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Florida

Bethune-Cookman University
Florida A&M University
Jacksonville University – dropped football at the end of the 2019 season
Stetson University
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Mercer University
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University of Idaho
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McNeese State University
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Morgan State University
Towson University
Massachusetts

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College of the Holy Cross
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Jackson State University
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Missouri

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The Citadel, The Military College of South Carolina
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South Dakota

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University of the Incarnate Word
Lamar University
Prairie View A&M University
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Stephen F. Austin State University
Tarleton State University (2020)
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LOL. Thanks. I'll take good notes for the next time I appear on Jeopardy.

(12-31-2019 08:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:26 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

Trask did line up under center though.

And ran the worst looking option you will see :)

Wow...
I love Bobby, but going for it on a fourth down within the context of how the ODU vs UVA game had so far transpired, at your own 29, is HUGELY different than going for it on your own 44-yard line as regards the noted Florida game.
Please, let it go!

(01-01-2020 01:07 PM)ziggy1 Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:26 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

Trask did line up under center though.

And ran the worst looking option you will see :)

Wow...
I love Bobby, but going for it on a fourth down within the context of how the ODU vs UVA game had so far transpired, at your own 29, is HUGELY different than going for it on your own 44-yard line as regards the noted Florida game.
Please, let it go!

(01-01-2020 01:07 PM)ziggy1 Wrote:  

(12-31-2019 08:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:26 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

Trask did line up under center though.

And ran the worst looking option you will see :)

Wow...
I love Bobby, but going for it on a fourth down within the context of how the ODU vs UVA game had so far transpired, at your own 29, is HUGELY different than going for it on your own 44-yard line as regards the noted Florida game.
Please, let it go!

You are actually right that its different bc it made more sense for us to do as an underdog than it did for them to do it as a favorite

1. College analytics indicate that going for it on 4th is NOT recommended inside your own 50. (unlike NFL analytics)
2. It was way too deep inside our own territory.
3. It did not work

Conclusion:
It was the wrong call.

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

It's only crazy when it doesn't work. Also there's a huge difference between your own 29 and 44. One is 6 yards from midfield, the other is 9 yards from the Red Zone. One team had the lead, the other they didn't. BW owns this one for a while.

(01-01-2020 02:11 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  1. College analytics indicate that going for it on 4th is NOT recommended inside your own 50. (unlike NFL analytics)
2. It was way too deep inside our own territory.
3. It did not work

Conclusion:
It was the wrong call.

Our starting guard also went out the play or two before.

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(01-01-2020 03:01 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 11:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FWIW, Florida was in a similar spot to us just now. They were up 6 with the ball on 4th and 1 at their own 44. They went for it and got it. Drove down and scored TD.

It's only crazy when it doesn't work. Also there's a huge difference between your own 29 and 44. One is 6 yards from midfield, the other is 9 yards from the Red Zone. One team had the lead, the other they didn't. BW owns this one for a while.

It was also fricken mean nothing bowl game. If it was a conference game or an early season conference game where you needed a win...I bet it would have been a different choice.

(01-01-2020 04:16 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 02:11 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  1. College analytics indicate that going for it on 4th is NOT recommended inside your own 50. (unlike NFL analytics)
2. It was way too deep inside our own territory.
3. It did not work

Conclusion:
It was the wrong call.

Our starting guard also went out the play or two before.

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I forgot about that, tnx
1. College analytics indicate that going for it on 4th is NOT recommended inside your own 50. (unlike NFL analytics)
2. It was way too deep inside our own territory.
3. We were leading at the time.
4. A starting guard had just gone out with injury
5. It did not work

Conclusion:
It was the wrong call.