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(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

I think he was asking if Lou could resign like today.

As much as I was saying that he should be gone at the end of last season being 30-70 or so against weak competition, I took it that 2 years of his contract was too much for JMU to eat. If this season was the final one of his contract, I am thinking he would have been let go after last season.

As much as I and others were saying a change was needed after last season, I know Lou loves JMU and feel bad for him that it has gone this way. As others have said, blame the admin and not Rowe for making this hire. I hope he can be an assistant somewhere through his connections and maybe be a head coach again someday.

The attendance numbers this year and the last two seasons are grossly exaggerated when you look at the actual number in the seats.

As mentioned previously, I hope JMU will have Wes Miller on the list to contact. He may be in the ACC someday, but if he can stop by here first for a few seasons and fix things, that would be great.

It would have been interesting to see if a coach like Shaver could have done a lot this season with the supposed talent on this team.
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(12-31-2019 09:37 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

I think he was asking if Lou could resign like today.

As much as I was saying that he should be gone at the end of last season being 30-70 or so against weak competition, I took it that 2 years of his contract was too much for JMU to eat. If this season was the final one of his contract, I am thinking he would have been let go after last season.

As much as I and others were saying a change was needed after last season, I know Lou loves JMU and feel bad for him that it has gone this way. As others have said, blame the admin and not Rowe for making this hire. I hope he can be an assistant somewhere through his connections and maybe be a head coach again someday.

The attendance numbers this year and the last two seasons are grossly exaggerated when you look at the actual number in the seats.

As mentioned previously, I hope JMU will have Wes Miller on the list to contact. He may be in the ACC someday, but if he can stop by here first for a few seasons and fix things, that would be great.

It would have been interesting to see if a coach like Shaver could have done a lot this season with the supposed talent on this team.

I like Rowe as a person, but I don't feel sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into. He knew he didn't have any head coaching experience. He admitted he was learning on the job. He should have taken a head coaching job at a lower division first.
But I don't blame him. I blame the admin. The program was vulnerable and took a flyer on an alum with zero head coaching experience. To make it even worse, the places he had been as an assistant the results had been mediocre at best.
It was a terrible hire. Worse than Dillard. At least Dillard had been a head coach somewhere. Perhaps not worse than Keener, but at least Keener had been an assistant at a program that had success.
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Dillard was not a consistent winner at Indian State - and we lost Melissa immediately after the two met

Keener was not the top assistant at Georgia Tech - it was shocking to see him get a CAA head coach job at that time

Brady appeared to be a good hire on the surface, but Bourne's diligence surrounding the intangibles was a failure

Rowe - a terrible error in judgement, one that makes you question his qualities of the accountants making decisions at JMU

At this point JMU should be building due diligence files on 4-6 candidates to replace Rowe - this diligence should be exhaustive, going back on each prospects childhood through ever social media post; every stone must be turned over. Another mistake is not an option.
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(12-31-2019 08:54 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Is it possible attendance next year could average less than 3,500 in a new arena excluding the home opener and UVA? Wonder how long it will take for the new arena to wear off for the students? Could it be as early as 2 or 3 games?

Pretty much take it to the bank /jar of pennies/ book it. By winter break the new building probably will be an afterthought for the student body.

But if we win some games...
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(12-31-2019 10:03 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Dillard was not a consistent winner at Indian State - and we lost Melissa immediately after the two met

Keener was not the top assistant at Georgia Tech - it was shocking to see him get a CAA head coach job at that time

Brady appeared to be a good hire on the surface, but Bourne's diligence surrounding the intangibles was a failure

Rowe - a terrible error in judgement, one that makes you question his qualities of the accountants making decisions at JMU

At this point JMU should be building due diligence files on 4-6 candidates to replace Rowe - this diligence should be exhaustive, going back on each prospects childhood through ever social media post; every stone must be turned over. Another mistake is not an option.

They are going to have to go big on the next hire. They cannot afford to buy a cheap hire. They spent millions on a new arena. It's time to invest in the person to actually lead the program. We've seen what happens when you hire a cheap coach... you get what you pay for. If they truly want MBB to be a revenue maker, they need to invest in more than an arena to make it happen. Spend the money on a guy with head coaching experience and success as a head coach and watch what happens. It isn't rocket science.
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(12-31-2019 10:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  They are going to have to go big on the next hire. They cannot afford to buy a cheap hire. They spent millions on a new arena. It's time to invest in the person to actually lead the program. We've seen what happens when you hire a cheap coach... you get what you pay for. If they truly want MBB to be a revenue maker, they need to invest in more than an arena to make it happen. Spend the money on a guy with head coaching experience and success as a head coach and watch what happens. It isn't rocket science.

I feel confident you will be disappointed in this regard. JMU’s decision makers don’t budget on ticket revenue potential, they budget on current ticket revenue numbers. Gonna be rummaging around in the bargain bin once again.
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(12-31-2019 10:03 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Dillard was not a consistent winner at Indian State - and we lost Melissa immediately after the two met

Keener was not the top assistant at Georgia Tech - it was shocking to see him get a CAA head coach job at that time

Brady appeared to be a good hire on the surface, but Bourne's diligence surrounding the intangibles was a failure

Rowe - a terrible error in judgement, one that makes you question his qualities of the accountants making decisions at JMU

At this point JMU should be building due diligence files on 4-6 candidates to replace Rowe - this diligence should be exhaustive, going back on each prospects childhood through ever social media post; every stone must be turned over. Another mistake is not an option.

I did not have a big issue with hiring Dillard.
- My concerns were not re-signing Lefty, and keeping Dillard too long.

I thought Keener was the top assistant at Ga Tech, but not thrilled with his hire.
- At least they cut the string in a timely manner.

I thought Brady was a good hire.
- Once again held on too long, and screwed up his contract renewal allowing him to
coach through his final year as a lame duck. Could of easily given him an
extension with a $1,000 buyout. Would of been a win-win for both sides.

Rowe
- Worst hire for a flagship program in JMU's history. As good as Wither's, Houston's and Cig's hires were this was the other extreme bad. Said and thought it day one. You don't fire Brady to hire his assistant that nobody wants as a HC. And you have the new arena as an additional selling tool to attract a new coach. We went out of the box in football, and in the box in Men's basketball. Brutal......
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(12-31-2019 10:03 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Dillard was not a consistent winner at Indian State - and we lost Melissa immediately after the two met

Keener was not the top assistant at Georgia Tech - it was shocking to see him get a CAA head coach job at that time

Brady appeared to be a good hire on the surface, but Bourne's diligence surrounding the intangibles was a failure

Rowe - a terrible error in judgement, one that makes you question his qualities of the accountants making decisions at JMU

At this point JMU should be building due diligence files on 4-6 candidates to replace Rowe - this diligence should be exhaustive, going back on each prospects childhood through ever social media post; every stone must be turned over. Another mistake is not an option.

Not only NOT a consistent winner, NOT a winner EVER, not even close.
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You guys are the last of the die hards. I haven't watched or followed a game in a few weeks. Decided to cancel the Flosports back then because I'm not going to pay to watch a crappy product like JMU men's basketball. These posts are dwindling in numbers and I expect the trend to continue as we all find better things to do with our time. Happy New Year!
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(12-31-2019 11:37 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  You guys are the last of the die hards. I haven't watched or followed a game in a few weeks. Decided to cancel the Flosports back then because I'm not going to pay to watch a crappy product like JMU men's basketball. These posts are dwindling in numbers and I expect the trend to continue as we all find better things to do with our time. Happy New Year!

same - cxl my flosports script as soon as I paid for enough to catch the rhody game... haven't even followed live stats for MBB, but do see these threads and generally click on them to mark them as read... skim through if it's a slow day at the office and to ensure the L for a better chance of change.
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(12-31-2019 11:37 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  You guys are the last of the die hards. I haven't watched or followed a game in a few weeks. Decided to cancel the Flosports back then because I'm not going to pay to watch a crappy product like JMU men's basketball. These posts are dwindling in numbers and I expect the trend to continue as we all find better things to do with our time. Happy New Year!

I cancelled Flo too, after the Radford game. Did tune in to ESPN gamecast to watch our good sized lead melt away against Hofstra. Done with structuring my evenings around MBB until a change is made. And unless we get a homerun hire, I could see our roster being decimated too.
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(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

Unfortunately I don't unless it's a forced resignation aka a soft firing. Although he doesn't make a ton of money for a D1 HC, it's a lot more than he's going to make after this so I think he'll take it as long as he can and hope for some type of miracle season next year if they don't let him go.

The worst part about this is the one thing this administration has failed miserably at is hiring men's basketball coaches. We have no reason to believe they'll make the right choice for a replacement. We almost just have to hope they get lucky at this point.
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(12-31-2019 01:52 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

Unfortunately I don't unless it's a forced resignation aka a soft firing. Although he doesn't make a ton of money for a D1 HC, it's a lot more than he's going to make after this so I think he'll take it as long as he can and hope for some type of miracle season next year if they don't let him go.

The worst part about this is the one thing this administration has failed miserably is hiring men's basketball coaches. We have no reason to believe they'll make the right choice for a replacement. We almost just have to hope they get lucky at this point.

I think more damage would be done by terminating him early. I don't blame Lou, and he should not be terminated before the season is over. I think he cares and is giving everything he has, but sadly JMU put him in a position to fail. It was not going to work. That's what was so frustrating when his hire was announced. They pretty much put one of our most respected and loved athletes on the chair of a dunking booth. Assistant HC Lou Rowe = Hell yes. Head coach Lou Rowe = positioned to fail.
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(12-31-2019 01:52 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

Unfortunately I don't unless it's a forced resignation aka a soft firing. Although he doesn't make a ton of money for a D1 HC, it's a lot more than he's going to make after this so I think he'll take it as long as he can and hope for some type of miracle season next year if they don't let him go.

The worst part about this is the one thing this administration has failed miserably at is hiring men's basketball coaches. We have no reason to believe they'll make the right choice for a replacement. We almost just have to hope they get lucky at this point.

I cannot emphasize enough how the selection process body and mentality have to change 180 degrees.

In the words of Jerry Seinfeld," If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."
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(12-31-2019 02:18 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 01:52 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

Unfortunately I don't unless it's a forced resignation aka a soft firing. Although he doesn't make a ton of money for a D1 HC, it's a lot more than he's going to make after this so I think he'll take it as long as he can and hope for some type of miracle season next year if they don't let him go.

The worst part about this is the one thing this administration has failed miserably at is hiring men's basketball coaches. We have no reason to believe they'll make the right choice for a replacement. We almost just have to hope they get lucky at this point.

I cannot emphasize enough how the selection process body and mentality have to change 180 degrees.

In the words of Jerry Seinfeld," If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."

Three of our last four Men's basketball coaches were former JMU coaches and/or players.

Which of our prior coaches, or players are we "hoping" they select next, other than '24?

How about one armed Pat Mitchell or perhaps Vlad?
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(12-31-2019 02:39 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 02:18 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 01:52 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 08:49 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 10:05 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Can Lou just resign? ...

I've played this out in my head a few times. I think that is the headline you will see in March.

Unfortunately I don't unless it's a forced resignation aka a soft firing. Although he doesn't make a ton of money for a D1 HC, it's a lot more than he's going to make after this so I think he'll take it as long as he can and hope for some type of miracle season next year if they don't let him go.

The worst part about this is the one thing this administration has failed miserably at is hiring men's basketball coaches. We have no reason to believe they'll make the right choice for a replacement. We almost just have to hope they get lucky at this point.

I cannot emphasize enough how the selection process body and mentality have to change 180 degrees.

In the words of Jerry Seinfeld," If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."

Three of our last four Men's basketball coaches were former JMU coaches and/or players.

Which of our prior coaches, or players are we "hoping" they select next, other than '24?

How about one armed Pat Mitchell or perhaps Vlad?

Can't go wrong w/ a Gonzaga Purple Eagle
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Hard to believe this article is over 30 years old.

Fess Irvin or Jeff Chambers?

And attendance average swells to over 6,000 a game.
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(12-31-2019 03:12 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Hard to believe this article is over 30 years old.

Fess Irvin or Jeff Chambers?

And attendance average swells to over 6,000 a game.

Paywall article
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(12-31-2019 03:56 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-31-2019 03:12 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Hard to believe this article is over 30 years old.

Fess Irvin or Jeff Chambers?

And attendance average swells to over 6,000 a game.

Paywall article

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Quote:DRIESELL, LOOKING TO DELIVER
By KEN DENLINGERFebruary 1, 1989
In about every way possible, Lefty Driesell is back. He's back coaching, two years after being forced out at Maryland; he's back building a home, and rebuilding a team at an obscure basketball school; he's back in the area for two games this week, beginning tonight at Navy. As he eventually did at Davidson, as he quickly did at Maryland, the Lefthander has James Madison aflutter with anticipation. Three terrific teams did the school proud several years ago but few beyond the campus gave much notice; the new coach, with his fresh start, brings national attention simply by being himself. To some, Driesell is seen as a sad figure forced to salvage a reputation at a fairly advanced age (57) in a second-level conference. History would have been very kind to him, with that 70-plus winning percentage in 748 games, had he stayed inactive. Also, each time Maryland retreats under Bob Wade, Driesell's tarnished image gets cleaner. To many (me included), Driesell's step was just short of noble, assuming he still cares deeply about athletics and athletes and brings to this job the intensity and integrity he did at Davidson and most of his years at Maryland. Driesell is "having fun," he said over the phone the other day, "with a great bunch of kids who have exceeded expectations." Reality could be sweet, that 3-4 record in the Colonial Athletic Association something special had fate been more helpful and the foul shooting not so crooked. Two of those CAA losses were in overtime, the others by a total of seven points. Because he delivered so grandly at Davidson and so soon at Maryland, Driesell is supposed to boost James Madison into a conference champion and top-25 contender nationally in another couple of years. JMU's immediate future has names. Two of them are William Davis, a freshman guard averaging about 15 points per game, and Jeff Chambers, a 6-foot-8 recruit from Maryland's Eastern Shore about whom Driesell gushes: "He'll be a super player." Unfortunately for Driesell, times are not the same these days in college basketball as they were when he was lifting Davidson, in the early '60s, and Maryland, in the early '70s. New rules, many of them very good, conspire against underdog programs such as JMU's. "When I was at Davidson," he said, "I could see a kid any time I wanted. Take him out to eat. Get to know him. It was a pain {because of so much travel}, but a way to get to know a kid personally and for him and his parents to get to know me. "I'd get a Fred Hetzel {from the Washington area} by shooting around with him. By taking his parents to dinner. By being around enough to get him to say: 'Why don't I sign with this guy?' " Those were the days when a workaholic such as Driesell could rise to the top almost on sheer energy. A former assistant at Boston College, for instance, saw a prospect two dozen times -- and never offered him a scholarship; Moses Malone and some other high school sensations visited so many colleges they became known as "America's Guests." Then came reform. Too much change, naturally enough, to suit Driesell in his present position. Too many restrictions, on the recruiters and on those being recruited. "I can only watch a player at certain times," Driesell said. "Some of those times I can't even speak to him, or to his parents sitting in the stands. I can visit only so many times in the home. "I can only have 15 kids {per season} visit campus. My first year at Maryland there were something like 40 visits. People were curious. I only have seven visits left; I have three or four scholarships left. Which means I've got to sign one kid for every two that visits." Another quirk in recruiting is this: If JMU signee Chambers wants to watch JMU play at Navy tonight, he must buy a ticket. Or Navy must be the team to leave him a freebie. "I told {Navy Coach} Pete Herrmann if he left one {for Chambers}, I'd do the same when he signed somebody {close to JMU}," Driesell said. To become nationally prominent, James Madison must attract at least a few of the players who might otherwise gravitate to one of the traditional powers. Or do a superior job of coaching overlooked prospects with potential. High school players also are limited in the number of colleges they may visit, to six. Before Driesell, hotly pursued prospects at basketball's pivotal positions, center and point guard, were not likely to include Harrisonburg, Va., among those half-dozen stops. A native son, Ralph Sampson, even skipped town. "Now it's sort of a hit-or-miss thing," Driesell said. "I'm not sure it's good even for the established schools. I think it might be one of the reasons we're seeing so many transfers." Driesell is not objecting to transfers just now, he having two very good ones waiting to become eligible next season. One of them, Maryland transfer Steve Hood, Driesell recruited twice. The other was a much-coveted guard, Fess Irvin, who left Louisiana State. Intense basketball watchers know that Driesell at JMU actually has a fairly tough act to emulate, if not immediately follow. Before leaving for Cal-Berkeley after the 1985 season, Lou Campanelli had a string of NCAA tournament teams. One beat Georgetown (in 1981); another lost to eventual-champion North Carolina (in 1982). That plays on Driesell's mind. Knowing at least three terrific players will come flying onto the scene next season is a comfort. Still, he recalls JMU's strong, though mostly ignored, performance in the early '80s and says, quietly: "So we have to get back there."
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