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(12-23-2019 01:43 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 11:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 09:55 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 06:08 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  How can you be so certain that it played absolutely no part at all with them leaving, not even a small intangible part?

Does his courtside manner make players fail to follow rules and be good teammates?

If he’s a total prick and don’t respect him as a coach bc he curses you out daily, sure it does.

It's clear you haven't talked to many players about JJ.

It’s clear YOU haven’t talked to many players about JJ. I can without a doubt say that you are 100% wrong.

My source: the actual guys who have played for and who currently play for JJ

Pretty sure you guys are saying the same thing. Could be wrong.
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(12-23-2019 01:48 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 01:43 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 11:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 09:55 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Does his courtside manner make players fail to follow rules and be good teammates?

If he’s a total prick and don’t respect him as a coach bc he curses you out daily, sure it does.

It's clear you haven't talked to many players about JJ.

It’s clear YOU haven’t talked to many players about JJ. I can without a doubt say that you are 100% wrong.

My source: the actual guys who have played for and who currently play for JJ

Pretty sure you guys are saying the same thing. Could be wrong.

Yeah, I'm not sure what Just is implying as I too have had a chance to talk to a lot of current and former players and they have a lot of nice things to say about JJ.
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I would hope any coach in charge of a team on that 8-game losing streak would be yelling and cussing all game on the sidelines. I'd be more concerned if he wasn't. I'm not remotely a JJ fan, but this is a ridiculous angle of attack. I think JJ's leadership skills are lacking and if he doesn't have strong player-leaders that buy in, it unravels, especially when there is dissent (hence the frequency he seems to engage in "addition by subtraction"). Maybe a new assistant could help stabilize that gap. Preferably one with 4-star kids graduating over then next few years.
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RE: Maryland - Eastern Shore
(12-23-2019 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(12-23-2019 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Do people actually think the players don't like JJ? That is way off!

Yes, there is this perception from fans that aren't connected that players hate Jones because he yells on the sidelines.

I disagree. The perception is that this level/type of coaching is out of date unless it is delivered by a coach with a track record of getting players to the NCAA's or next level of competition. Why get scolded for four years if there is no payoff in the end?

A double standard? Yes.

Also reality.

How can you disagree? People have directly said that on this board.

The players that have been through here have seen success. Its unfortunate that Trey did not get to the NCAAs, but he got a deep NIT run that the players really enjoyed.

The players don't believe that they've wasted 4 years here and for the overwhelming majority don't think the yelling is a big deal. It's only fans that seem to care about that.

I do not think the players hate Jones by any stretch and I think fellow posters who complain about the yelling don't think it's a hate situation either. Then again, I only speak for myself. I'm sure off court they like him and have his back.

Let's face it though- accomplished HS Seniors are not kicking our door in looking for a place to play. I feel they choose to play where they have a chance for post-season play (multi-bid league) and have a career playing here or overseas.

Who said anything about players feeling they "wasted" four years? Not me. I implied there's a benefit of learning under someone with more modern coaching styles. Calipari, Coach K and others have a wall of NBA legends to point to that proves old school style coaching can be effective. JJ may be every bit that good of a basketball mind- he just doesn't have the results to back it up and it comes across differently to a young person.
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RE: Maryland - Eastern Shore
(12-23-2019 02:49 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:46 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Do people actually think the players don't like JJ? That is way off!

Yes, there is this perception from fans that aren't connected that players hate Jones because he yells on the sidelines.

I disagree. The perception is that this level/type of coaching is out of date unless it is delivered by a coach with a track record of getting players to the NCAA's or next level of competition. Why get scolded for four years if there is no payoff in the end?

A double standard? Yes.

Also reality.

How can you disagree? People have directly said that on this board.

The players that have been through here have seen success. Its unfortunate that Trey did not get to the NCAAs, but he got a deep NIT run that the players really enjoyed.

The players don't believe that they've wasted 4 years here and for the overwhelming majority don't think the yelling is a big deal. It's only fans that seem to care about that.

I do not think the players hate Jones by any stretch and I think fellow posters who complain about the yelling don't think it's a hate situation either. Then again, I only speak for myself. I'm sure off court they like him and have his back.

Let's face it though- accomplished HS Seniors are not kicking our door in looking for a place to play. I feel they choose to play where they have a chance for post-season play (multi-bid league) and have a career playing here or overseas.

Who said anything about players feeling they "wasted" four years? Not me. I implied there's a benefit of learning under someone with more modern coaching styles. Calipari, Coach K and others have a wall of NBA legends to point to that proves old school style coaching can be effective. JJ may be every bit that good of a basketball mind- he just doesn't have the results to back it up and it comes across differently to a young person.

Exactly. Using those coaches to argue they yell more than Jones is foolish. They have the results. Jones has no real results that warrant any player of good caliber wanting to be screamed at by a mediocre coach. Maybe that’s why they don’t come here. You guys “in the know” didn’t seem to have a clue about Rahne coming. Yet, I was the first to mention it before it was even on Twitter. I also was the first to post that Hueitt was going to transfer out months before he actually did. Giles, have you ever provided any info that came true? lol
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RE: Maryland - Eastern Shore
(12-23-2019 03:32 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 02:49 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:46 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yes, there is this perception from fans that aren't connected that players hate Jones because he yells on the sidelines.

I disagree. The perception is that this level/type of coaching is out of date unless it is delivered by a coach with a track record of getting players to the NCAA's or next level of competition. Why get scolded for four years if there is no payoff in the end?

A double standard? Yes.

Also reality.

How can you disagree? People have directly said that on this board.

The players that have been through here have seen success. Its unfortunate that Trey did not get to the NCAAs, but he got a deep NIT run that the players really enjoyed.

The players don't believe that they've wasted 4 years here and for the overwhelming majority don't think the yelling is a big deal. It's only fans that seem to care about that.

I do not think the players hate Jones by any stretch and I think fellow posters who complain about the yelling don't think it's a hate situation either. Then again, I only speak for myself. I'm sure off court they like him and have his back.

Let's face it though- accomplished HS Seniors are not kicking our door in looking for a place to play. I feel they choose to play where they have a chance for post-season play (multi-bid league) and have a career playing here or overseas.

Who said anything about players feeling they "wasted" four years? Not me. I implied there's a benefit of learning under someone with more modern coaching styles. Calipari, Coach K and others have a wall of NBA legends to point to that proves old school style coaching can be effective. JJ may be every bit that good of a basketball mind- he just doesn't have the results to back it up and it comes across differently to a young person.

Exactly. Using those coaches to argue they yell more than Jones is foolish. They have the results. Jones has no real results that warrant any player of good caliber wanting to be screamed at by a mediocre coach. Maybe that’s why they don’t come here. You guys “in the know” didn’t seem to have a clue about Rahne coming. Yet, I was the first to mention it before it was even on Twitter. I also was the first to post that Hueitt was going to transfer out months before he actually did. Giles, have you ever provided any info that came true? lol

Im not saying Im in the know on everything but I told people about Rahne well before it was announced. I also know the majority of coaches that will be hired but arent being announced yet.

I didnt know about Hueitt transferring. The large majority of players that have come through ODU love Coach Jones and don't care about the "yelling." Do you dispute that? This is a softie fan started criticism.
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RE: Maryland - Eastern Shore
(12-23-2019 04:08 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 03:32 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 02:49 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 12:46 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  I disagree. The perception is that this level/type of coaching is out of date unless it is delivered by a coach with a track record of getting players to the NCAA's or next level of competition. Why get scolded for four years if there is no payoff in the end?

A double standard? Yes.

Also reality.

How can you disagree? People have directly said that on this board.

The players that have been through here have seen success. Its unfortunate that Trey did not get to the NCAAs, but he got a deep NIT run that the players really enjoyed.

The players don't believe that they've wasted 4 years here and for the overwhelming majority don't think the yelling is a big deal. It's only fans that seem to care about that.

I do not think the players hate Jones by any stretch and I think fellow posters who complain about the yelling don't think it's a hate situation either. Then again, I only speak for myself. I'm sure off court they like him and have his back.

Let's face it though- accomplished HS Seniors are not kicking our door in looking for a place to play. I feel they choose to play where they have a chance for post-season play (multi-bid league) and have a career playing here or overseas.

Who said anything about players feeling they "wasted" four years? Not me. I implied there's a benefit of learning under someone with more modern coaching styles. Calipari, Coach K and others have a wall of NBA legends to point to that proves old school style coaching can be effective. JJ may be every bit that good of a basketball mind- he just doesn't have the results to back it up and it comes across differently to a young person.

Exactly. Using those coaches to argue they yell more than Jones is foolish. They have the results. Jones has no real results that warrant any player of good caliber wanting to be screamed at by a mediocre coach. Maybe that’s why they don’t come here. You guys “in the know” didn’t seem to have a clue about Rahne coming. Yet, I was the first to mention it before it was even on Twitter. I also was the first to post that Hueitt was going to transfer out months before he actually did. Giles, have you ever provided any info that came true? lol

Im not saying Im in the know on everything but I told people about Rahne well before it was announced. I also know the majority of coaches that will be hired but arent being announced yet.

I didnt know about Hueitt transferring. The large majority of players that have come through ODU love Coach Jones and don't care about the "yelling." Do you dispute that? This is a softie fan started criticism.

Name the coaches then. You’re not the only person who knows them, so no one is tracing anything back to you.
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Coach Rahne does not want them to be announced prior to the bowl games. LOL, Im not going to post them on a public message board.
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(12-23-2019 01:50 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 01:48 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 01:43 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 11:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 09:55 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  If he’s a total prick and don’t respect him as a coach bc he curses you out daily, sure it does.

It's clear you haven't talked to many players about JJ.

It’s clear YOU haven’t talked to many players about JJ. I can without a doubt say that you are 100% wrong.

My source: the actual guys who have played for and who currently play for JJ

Pretty sure you guys are saying the same thing. Could be wrong.

Yeah, I'm not sure what Just is implying as I too have had a chance to talk to a lot of current and former players and they have a lot of nice things to say about JJ.

I meant to quote the poster before you.
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(12-23-2019 04:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Coach Rahne does not want them to be announced prior to the bowl games. LOL, Im not going to post them on a public message board.

Then send them in a DM to the poster and if you’re right, there is proof... if not, well no one will be surprised
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(12-23-2019 04:54 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
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(12-23-2019 01:48 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 01:43 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 11:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  It's clear you haven't talked to many players about JJ.

It’s clear YOU haven’t talked to many players about JJ. I can without a doubt say that you are 100% wrong.

My source: the actual guys who have played for and who currently play for JJ

Pretty sure you guys are saying the same thing. Could be wrong.

Yeah, I'm not sure what Just is implying as I too have had a chance to talk to a lot of current and former players and they have a lot of nice things to say about JJ.

I meant to quote the poster before you.

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(12-23-2019 04:55 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 04:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Coach Rahne does not want them to be announced prior to the bowl games. LOL, Im not going to post them on a public message board.

Then send them in a DM to the poster and if you’re right, there is proof... if not, well no one will be surprised

I think we both know he has no clue. He also thought Bobby was going to be here next year lol
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Just my 2 cents worth. People who know or think they know privileged information should keep that fact to themselves. It does nothing but harm to come on this board, insinuate you know something, then decline to share it.
If you know something, PM it to people you trust, but don't announce to the general board you are in the know.
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I don't think anyone here knows jack anyway. The one thing Woody actually does well is keep things under wraps. Never any leaks... even got the Rehne stuff from Penn State sources. Even those on here who built a reputation through the years being in the know in the previous administration keep whiffing on Woody's AD.

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(12-23-2019 05:30 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Just my 2 cents worth. People who know or think they know privileged information should keep that fact to themselves. It does nothing but harm to come on this board, insinuate you know something, then decline to share it.
If you know something, PM it to people you trust, but don't announce to the general board you are in the know.

Good idea. 04-cheers
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(12-23-2019 05:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I don't think anyone here knows jack anyway. The one thing Woody actually does well is keep things under wraps. Never any leaks... even got the Rehne stuff from Penn State sources. Even those on here who built a reputation through the years being in the know in the previous administration keep whiffing on Woody's AD.

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I got Rahne from an ODU assistant coach. There’s plenty of folks in the know and Woody doesn’t keep things as tight as you’re thinking.
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(12-23-2019 08:25 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 05:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I don't think anyone here knows jack anyway. The one thing Woody actually does well is keep things under wraps. Never any leaks... even got the Rehne stuff from Penn State sources. Even those on here who built a reputation through the years being in the know in the previous administration keep whiffing on Woody's AD.

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I got Rahne from an ODU assistant coach. There’s plenty of folks in the know and Woody doesn’t keep things as tight as you’re thinking.

Agreed - the new coach was known days before it was announced.
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‘78 - the game thread vs Middle is yours whenever you’re ready. You have the hot hand until we lose! Let’s start rolling brother!
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(12-23-2019 08:35 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 08:25 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  
(12-23-2019 05:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I don't think anyone here knows jack anyway. The one thing Woody actually does well is keep things under wraps. Never any leaks... even got the Rehne stuff from Penn State sources. Even those on here who built a reputation through the years being in the know in the previous administration keep whiffing on Woody's AD.

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I got Rahne from an ODU assistant coach. There’s plenty of folks in the know and Woody doesn’t keep things as tight as you’re thinking.

Agreed - the new coach was known days before it was announced.

Okay guy. You’re one of those who pretends to be in the know and yaps off. Sad old man.
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