Geoff, today, commented that NO ONE, EVER, IN the HISTORY of the G5, has stayed "forever". We can have a debate at another time about what "forever" means, but in the context of his comment, I take it to mean, the coach would refuse other offers and stay for at least 10 years. Reasonable assumption? Anyway, He said Gary Patterson was different, because he stayed because they became a P5 school when they went to the BigXII.

On the surface, that sounds like a good reason. But I went back and looked at the timeline. Sorry Geoff. Not applicable. Gary Patterson took the reins in 2000. They were not invited to the BigXII until 2011. During that time the Horned Frogs played in C-USA for 4 years, and MWC the other 8 years. He won 6.... that was SIX... conference championships in that time. Now, I don't know how many times he was approached during that time with job offers, but I would have to imagine at least several.

So, when we talk about a coaching hire, it is totally appropriate to refer to Patterson as a guy who stayed. The fact that they went to the BigXII is moot. And maybe it was a big reason they DID get into the BigXII.

We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

(12-09-2019 07:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

Well, that's not my point. My point is not the argument itself. It is that people discount using Patterson as an argument because of the whole move to BigXII, when in fact it didn't happen until 12 years after he started coaching there.

let it go...I suppose you, shere, squid and others weren't that affected by Cal's departure and a possible loss of being the #1 ranked team in America

let.it.go,,,,it'll be okay

(12-09-2019 07:57 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  let it go...I suppose you, shere, squid and others weren't that affected by Cal's departure and a possible loss of being the #1 ranked team in America

let.it.go,,,,it'll be okay

Dude? What is you're problem? You don't know dick about me, and this post is exhibit A.
I was pissed about Cal. It was at that point that I grew a callused and distrusting heart toward any coach telling me "Memphis is where I want to be."

Just shut up already. Not my point here anyway. Good gosh.

Jeff Bower stayed at USM. And got fired for Larry Fedora.

(12-09-2019 08:03 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 07:57 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  let it go...I suppose you, shere, squid and others weren't that affected by Cal's departure and a possible loss of being the #1 ranked team in America

let.it.go,,,,it'll be okay

Dude? What is you're problem? You don't know dick about me, and this post is exhibit A.
I was pissed about Cal. It was at that point that I grew a callused and distrusting heart toward any coach telling me "Memphis is where I want to be."

Just shut up already. Not my point here anyway. Good gosh.

your

It's ok Geo, you can always vent here if you can't channel your feelings elsewhere

More like Exhibit X though

(12-09-2019 07:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

Heck, Florida State's last coach came from Oregon...

(12-09-2019 08:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 07:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

Heck, Florida State's last coach came from Oregon...

FSU 's last successful left tlfor Texas A&M a couple of years after winning a National Championship

(12-09-2019 08:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 08:03 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 07:57 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  let it go...I suppose you, shere, squid and others weren't that affected by Cal's departure and a possible loss of being the #1 ranked team in America

let.it.go,,,,it'll be okay

Dude? What is you're problem? You don't know dick about me, and this post is exhibit A.
I was pissed about Cal. It was at that point that I grew a callused and distrusting heart toward any coach telling me "Memphis is where I want to be."

Just shut up already. Not my point here anyway. Good gosh.

your

It's ok Geo, you can always vent here if you can't channel your feelings elsewhere

More like Exhibit X though

You're right, there are at least 10 things you don't know about me, that you THINK you know.

(12-09-2019 07:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

Yeah, but in that scenario FL State would be paying a hefty buyout.

(12-09-2019 08:30 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 08:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 07:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

Heck, Florida State's last coach came from Oregon...

FSU 's last successful left tlfor Texas A&M a couple of years after winning a National Championship

Because Jimbos wife was sleeping with everyone .. Serves him right to get away

(12-09-2019 08:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 08:03 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 07:57 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  let it go...I suppose you, shere, squid and others weren't that affected by Cal's departure and a possible loss of being the #1 ranked team in America

let.it.go,,,,it'll be okay

Dude? What is you're problem? You don't know dick about me, and this post is exhibit A.
I was pissed about Cal. It was at that point that I grew a callused and distrusting heart toward any coach telling me "Memphis is where I want to be."

Just shut up already. Not my point here anyway. Good gosh.

your

It's ok Geo, you can always vent here if you can't channel your feelings elsewhere

More like Exhibit X though

Definitely not Geo


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(12-09-2019 09:32 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 08:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 08:03 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 07:57 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  let it go...I suppose you, shere, squid and others weren't that affected by Cal's departure and a possible loss of being the #1 ranked team in America

let.it.go,,,,it'll be okay

Dude? What is you're problem? You don't know dick about me, and this post is exhibit A.
I was pissed about Cal. It was at that point that I grew a callused and distrusting heart toward any coach telling me "Memphis is where I want to be."

Just shut up already. Not my point here anyway. Good gosh.

your

It's ok Geo, you can always vent here if you can't channel your feelings elsewhere

More like Exhibit X though

You're right, there are at least 10 things you don't know about me, that you THINK you know.

Hey Geo. He don't know that he don't know but I know but I ain't telling so he still don't know that he don't know but you know that I know.

(12-09-2019 07:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We would have more cache if we were in a P5 conference but that is not an absolute

Strong left Louisville for Texas
Mullen left Moo for Florida

FSU still likely gets a Memphis coach if we are in the Big 12. But yes, a little less likely

Yeah, but its a tough comparison. If Norvell wins 12 games in a P5 he's not leaving except for maybe two or three jobs.\

It's hard to imagine what our program would be like with Norvell 4 years in a P5 conference. I believe it would be very successful.

But what about Silverfield? If he really meant what he said, he really wants to retire here, then HE could be our Gary Patterson.

(12-10-2019 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  But what about Silverfield? If he really meant what he said, he really wants to retire here, then HE could be our Gary Patterson.

Come on.. the man wants the job, of course he’s saying these things. If he does well here, he’ll get offers from P5 schools just like Fuente and Norvell. If you don’t think he’ll leave for greener pastures, you have to be naive. He’d be stupid not to. And I won’t have a problem with it all, just like the last two coaches that used Memphis as a stepping stone. It’s a good problem to have. It means the coach is winning here. The alternative is the coaching graveyard it’s been in the past. It’s ok being the stepping stone.

(12-10-2019 10:35 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  But what about Silverfield? If he really meant what he said, he really wants to retire here, then HE could be our Gary Patterson.

He's saying what he has to say to get the job.

And maybe he genuinely means it. Just like Norvell saying he wanted to coach the Cotton Bowl. I believe he meant it. But reality sets in. Your agent, your financial advisors, the desire to win a National Title, etc all kick in. And like it or not, we all have a price.

You get millions as the Memphis coach after being an assistant and you realize your children are afforded more opportunities. Then you get numbers from bigger programs that offer more for your family.

Nothing against Silverfield but take that statement with a grain of salt.

(12-09-2019 07:50 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Geoff, today, commented that NO ONE, EVER, IN the HISTORY of the G5, has stayed "forever". We can have a debate at another time about what "forever" means, but in the context of his comment, I take it to mean, the coach would refuse other offers and stay for at least 10 years. Reasonable assumption? Anyway, He said Gary Patterson was different, because he stayed because they became a P5 school when they went to the BigXII.

On the surface, that sounds like a good reason. But I went back and looked at the timeline. Sorry Geoff. Not applicable. Gary Patterson took the reins in 2000. They were not invited to the BigXII until 2011. During that time the Horned Frogs played in C-USA for 4 years, and MWC the other 8 years. He won 6.... that was SIX... conference championships in that time. Now, I don't know how many times he was approached during that time with job offers, but I would have to imagine at least several.

So, when we talk about a coaching hire, it is totally appropriate to refer to Patterson as a guy who stayed. The fact that they went to the BigXII is moot. And maybe it was a big reason they DID get into the BigXII.

I thought the same thing when I heard what Geoff said. His statement was just wrong. Coach Patterson is a great example of someone who stayed long term with a program and did not leave for something more. Indeed, something more, the Big 12 invitation came in large part because he stayed with the program and built it.

Basically, seems you guys are hanging your hat on one example. That makes him the exception, not the standard.

Either way, if Silverfield is the hire, I hope it is true...

If our football program continues to stay in the top 3 of the conference, we will jump to p5 at some point.

It would be worth it for a coach to stick and help make that happen. He would cement his legacy.