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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-04-2019 11:05 AM)3601 Wrote: (12-02-2019 10:16 PM)CRM114 Wrote: (12-02-2019 08:29 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: It just rarely seems to work out well when team hires from within...
The current head coaches at Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma and Utah seem to be working out okay. All were internal hires I believe.
Dabo at Clemson. Hell, the 3 top ranked teams in the country right now (and 5 of the top 6) hired from within.
Again -
Ohio State - Urban Meyer
Oklahoma - Bob Stoops
LSU - Orgeron (two previous head coaching stints including USC)
Memphis - Norvell
Who does not fit in that group? With hall of fame coaches and national championship winning coaches who are literally hand picking their successors makes sense. Memphis hiring Norvell's assistance seems far more a move of convenience (dont have do a search, relatively easy sell, etc.) than actually believing he is the best candidate we can get for the job. If there is a true search and they decide Silverfield is truly the best candidate interviewed then I am 100% on board. But if it is just a matter of hiring him because he is here and there is no real search then I have a hard time seeing that as the best move for the program.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-04-2019 12:58 PM)griffin Wrote: 1) We will need a Interim HC if a new HC is not named immediately
2) Hopefully we will move forward with a immediate HC from the existing set of coaches
3) RS is the obvious choice, he has been with MN since Arizona State, spent 7 years in the NFL w Detroit and Vikings.
4) Last year RS sat across from the table with Nick Saban and Alabama offered him the OL job, he turned it down he also was approached by the Titans HC about their opening
5) RS has a lot of people behind him, a few of the top guys
6) RS hopes he gets it, but RS does not know as of last week if he is getting it
7) RS is not aware it has been pre ordained
The thing that worries me is almost all of our playcalling and qb development has mainly been MN, that’s great that RS has been approached about other O line positions but real offensive coordinators are much more valuable.
Ryan Day, Dabo, Jimbo, Coach O, Lincoln Riley, etc were all trusted with playcallers
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-04-2019 01:13 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (12-02-2019 08:29 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: It just rarely seems to work out well when team hires from within...
Tommy West did ok.
Tommy was a marginal HC, hence he was never hired again as a HC.
Hiring the best recruiter on the current staff has been done before at Memphis... Maybe GT will need a football coach in a couple of years? Larry Porter was thought to be a great recruiter too. Head football coaches must be natural leaders and organizers and sometimes great recruiters are neither.
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2019 01:49 PM by Marc Mensa.)
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
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12-04-2019 01:39 PM |
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
Tommy was a great HC at a place that did not have near what they needed to compete against the powers. He was a DC who embraced a wide open offense which in itself does not happen often. The reasons our defense suffered is because all of the best athletes were put on the offensive side of the ball every year.
He did a lot, a lot with what he had
Then he had a triple by pass. Things changed.
He was really, really good during those years and he brought us to one of most pivotal moments with the New Orleans bowl which is why we are here today where we are.
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12-04-2019 01:42 PM |
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Marc Mensa
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-04-2019 01:42 PM)griffin Wrote: Tommy was a great HC at a place that did not have near what they needed to compete against the powers. He was a DC who embraced a wide open offense which in itself does not happen often. The reasons our defense suffered is because all of the best athletes were put on the offensive side of the ball every year.
He did a lot, a lot with what he had
Then he had a triple by pass. Things changed.
He was really, really good during those years and he brought us to one of most pivotal moments with the New Orleans bowl which is why we are here today where we are.
Tommy was ok until Randy Finchtner left for Pittsburgh. Afterwards, his recruiting dried up and the program tanked. Rip left Tommy with some talented players... certainly better talent than Tommy left Larry Porter and Justin Fuente. I will give him credit, however, for opening up the offense and putting Danny in a position to get Maurice, D’Angelo & Darren White the ball in space.
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12-04-2019 01:48 PM |
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-04-2019 10:15 AM)mairving Wrote: (12-04-2019 09:54 AM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote: (12-03-2019 09:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (12-02-2019 07:23 PM)danny1 Wrote: Love Coach Silverfield. Great guy, great coach, great recruiter. My only question - has he been a full fledged coordinator? I don’t know what an assistant head coach or deputy head coach do in terms of responsibilities.
If he has enough experience that translates, my choice would be Silverfield or Chip Long. That said, I trust our president, AD, and others to make another great hire. Hope Mike stays!
He is the current offensive coordinator. We don't think of him that way, because Norvell is the play caller. But Norvell says to make no mistake - Silverfield is the coordinator.
But I get what you're saying. At the same time, I believe Fuente came to us with a similar background. He was co-OC at TCU, but Patterson called the plays.
Kevin Johns is the OC
Silverfield is the "Run Game Coordinator"
Not quite the same thing.
Weird that it was changed from Co-Offensive Coordinator to Run Coordinator. It said Co-Offensive Coordinator yesterday and still says it on Silverfield's twitter account.
University of Memphis — Offensive Line Coach / Co-Offensive Coordinator / Deputy Head Coach / NFL coach for 7 years
You're right. They changed it overnight on GTG. He was listed as co-coordinator yesterday, because I confirmed it before I replied.
Really weird. I think someone here works in the department.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-04-2019 01:42 PM)griffin Wrote: Tommy was a great HC at a place that did not have near what they needed to compete against the powers. He was a DC who embraced a wide open offense which in itself does not happen often. The reasons our defense suffered is because all of the best athletes were put on the offensive side of the ball every year.
He did a lot, a lot with what he had
Then he had a triple by pass. Things changed.
He was really, really good during those years and he brought us to one of most pivotal moments with the New Orleans bowl which is why we are here today where we are.
I think this is a good synopsis of what I saw during the west era. West proved that Memphis football could win and be a decent draw in Memphis. West would have retired a hero here if he would not have run out of steam -probably due to the heart issues.
One thing I think is relevant is that West was not required to compete with "the powers", he was asked to win in CUSA and he did, mostly ...except UAB ...I don't think they beat us due to their great funding....
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-05-2019 12:16 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote: (12-04-2019 01:42 PM)griffin Wrote: Tommy was a great HC at a place that did not have near what they needed to compete against the powers. He was a DC who embraced a wide open offense which in itself does not happen often. The reasons our defense suffered is because all of the best athletes were put on the offensive side of the ball every year.
He did a lot, a lot with what he had
Then he had a triple by pass. Things changed.
He was really, really good during those years and he brought us to one of most pivotal moments with the New Orleans bowl which is why we are here today where we are.
I think this is a good synopsis of what I saw during the west era. West proved that Memphis football could win and be a decent draw in Memphis. West would have retired a hero here if he would not have run out of steam -probably due to the heart issues.
One thing I think is relevant is that West was not required to compete with "the powers", he was asked to win in CUSA and he did, mostly ...except UAB ...I don't think they beat us due to their great funding....
Agree.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-02-2019 06:39 PM)mayhem Wrote: What is the chance that IF Coach Norvell leaves Ryan Silverfield (Deputy Head Coach / Run Game Coordinator / Offensive Line) will step into the Head Coach position? He has been with Norvell since day-one, the first two-years as O-line Coach, then Asst HC was added to his title, now Deputy HC. He knows Norvell's offense and would give continuity to the returning Tigers and recruits for 2020.
I know he's the pick of many folks here...but I'd want someone with co-ordinators experience who may be familiar with the offense/people.
Names like Will Hall, or Kenny Dillingham...maybe even Chip Long.
I would say Darrell Dickey...but I don't think he has the recruiting chops Memphis needs to keep up the pace we're setting in that area.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
Go get Billy Napier and move on!
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12-05-2019 07:53 AM |
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
Silverfield would definitely be the safe choice & maybe a great choice if he can hire a great OC & DC (can he keep Fuller?).
That said I think we have to interview Napier & maybe Will Healy too. Both young, have great offensive minds & are proving they can coach. Then decide quickly with good options.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-02-2019 07:23 PM)danny1 Wrote: Love Coach Silverfield. Great guy, great coach, great recruiter. My only question - has he been a full fledged coordinator? I don’t know what an assistant head coach or deputy head coach do in terms of responsibilities.
If he has enough experience that translates, my choice would be Silverfield or Chip Long. That said, I trust our president, AD, and others to make another great hire. Hope Mike stays!
If Mike leaves then wouldn't he just take Silverfield with him?
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-05-2019 09:31 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote: (12-02-2019 07:23 PM)danny1 Wrote: Love Coach Silverfield. Great guy, great coach, great recruiter. My only question - has he been a full fledged coordinator? I don’t know what an assistant head coach or deputy head coach do in terms of responsibilities.
If he has enough experience that translates, my choice would be Silverfield or Chip Long. That said, I trust our president, AD, and others to make another great hire. Hope Mike stays!
If Mike leaves then wouldn't he just take Silverfield with him?
I'm assuming he can make up his own mind. I guess it depends on if he wants to be a head coach or not.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-05-2019 09:31 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote: (12-02-2019 07:23 PM)danny1 Wrote: Love Coach Silverfield. Great guy, great coach[quote='TIGERBUDDY' pid='16518164' dateline='1575556299']
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Love Coach Silverfield. Great guy, great coach, great recruiter. My only question - has he been a full fledged coordinator? I don’t know what an assistant head coach or deputy head coach do in terms of responsibilities.
If he has enough experience that translates, my choice would be Silverfield or Chip Long. That said, I trust our president, AD, and others to make another great hire. Hope Mike stays!
If Mike leaves then wouldn't he just take Silverfield with him?
Yes, but if Silverfield were offered the Memphis job, that would trump being FSU's OL coach.
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12-05-2019 09:39 AM |
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
Just read Billy Napier bio, I sure hope he's on the list of replacements.
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12-05-2019 10:22 AM |
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-05-2019 10:22 AM)Tigeralum Wrote: Just read Billy Napier bio, I sure hope he's on the list of replacements.
He is a good one. Great offensively. Young. Great recruiter. We shall see.
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12-05-2019 10:24 AM |
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
(12-03-2019 02:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote: (12-03-2019 12:12 AM)DallasTiger Wrote: (12-02-2019 07:28 PM)MvETigers Wrote: (12-02-2019 07:23 PM)memtigbb Wrote: His name keeps coming up but I hope we do the full search with the same firm that helped with Fuente and Norvell. He may still be the leading candidate, but let's do the search anyway.
Search firm didn't pick Norvell. It didn't pick Fuente either, he was just on the list.
Search firms don't pick people, they just expose those who are looking for new positions (under the radar) and can make recommendations. The final decision is always with the employer who conducts the job interview.
Yep, you would think that would be apparent, but I guess it needs to be pointed out.
What needs to be pointed out is that Fuente leaving was leaked on the 28th when we played SMU, it was officially announced on the 29th, and Norvell was hired on the 3rd. In between we also talked to Barry Odom, who was named as head coach at Missouri, also on December 3rd.
Fuente was ticked off because the week before SMU, he heard through the grapevine that we put out feelers, even though he hadn't told us that he was leaving for sure. The scope of the search was to talk to Odom and Norvell, vet Norvell and come to a deal; all of which happened very quickly.
Again, it needs to be pointed out that there was no search committee; certainly nothing even remotely resembling the process when Fuente was hired. The whole timeline between Fuente leaving and Norvell being hired was 6 days, and we had talked to Norvell and Odom before that. Neither had anything to do with a search committee.
Quote:Rest is history, firm was only used in this case to do background work and potential candidates if top guys didn't take the job
Griffin or Tiger87 and memtigbb...that is truly a tough call. I think I will go with Griffin on this one.
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RE: Ryan Silverfield
Would be a good safe hire
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