The unofficial online home for fans of the Old Dominion University Monarchs. Part of Collegiate Sports Nation (CSN).

I wish the game was as easy as stats. This year team doesn't have half the heart or fight that we saw last year.

(12-04-2019 04:16 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I wish the game was as easy as stats. This year team doesn't have half the heart or fight that we saw last year.

Or the "heart and fight" was disguised as having possibly the 2 best players in the conference as seniors and on the same team? (or at least 2 of the best 5 players in conference).

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:07 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 11:56 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 11:48 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Everything is always about a statistic for you so it is not surprising that you don't understand a lot about the game. Especially the intangibles that affect the outcome of a game, but don't show up on a stat sheet.

By your account they lost a player that provided nothing, meaning they lost nothing at the position. The guys that returned at the position (Dickens and Kalu) are more experienced and should be even better this season. By your response to this topic back in June you insinuated that "they only lost 9 minutes" and it worked last year so everything would be fine. Newsflash - the interior play isn't fine.

Yes because everything is reflected somewhere.

Our interior game is not worse than last year. The rest of our team is significantly worse than last year.

If you could have Robinson on this team right now, would you take him?

The answer should be yes. Kalu isn't improving and Dickens can't hang. AC is just a smaller Robinson.

I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Maybe we are seeing why Jeff was so upset that Oliver could not play several games back.

Trying to tie the discussion back to recruiting. Were we sitting on an extra scholarship? I wonder if there was a big man that never came or bailed at the last minute.

(12-04-2019 04:51 PM)elon77 Wrote:  Maybe we are seeing why Jeff was so upset that Oliver could not play several games back.

No...Oliver is good but he won't be a huge difference maker.

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:07 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 11:56 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yes because everything is reflected somewhere.

Our interior game is not worse than last year. The rest of our team is significantly worse than last year.

If you could have Robinson on this team right now, would you take him?

The answer should be yes. Kalu isn't improving and Dickens can't hang. AC is just a smaller Robinson.

I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

(12-04-2019 06:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:51 PM)elon77 Wrote:  Maybe we are seeing why Jeff was so upset that Oliver could not play several games back.

No...Oliver is good but he won't be a huge difference maker.

Can he do better than 2 of 20 from the 3 point line?

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:07 PM)odu09 Wrote:  If you could have Robinson on this team right now, would you take him?

The answer should be yes. Kalu isn't improving and Dickens can't hang. AC is just a smaller Robinson.

I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

(12-04-2019 07:12 PM)elon77 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:51 PM)elon77 Wrote:  Maybe we are seeing why Jeff was so upset that Oliver could not play several games back.

No...Oliver is good but he won't be a huge difference maker.

Can he do better than 2 of 20 from the 3 point line?

A couple of guys off the street would have a hard time doing any worse. Thank goodness they only shot 20 times from outside the arc or the team might not have scored 30 points.

(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

We have had Hassell, Lee, VV, Dahi, Loughton, and Cooper. We play against offensively capable midmajor bigs all the time. They are there to get and you don't need to cheat. I don't understand what the problem is.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

(12-04-2019 07:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

We have had Hassell, Lee, VV, Dahi, Loughton, and Cooper. We play against offensively capable midmajor bigs all the time. They are there to get and you don't need to cheat. I don't understand what the problem is.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

I'm of the same mindset as you on that. Only thing I can think of in that regard is that maybe Jeff just isn't as good a recruiter as Blaine was.

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:07 PM)odu09 Wrote:  If you could have Robinson on this team right now, would you take him?

The answer should be yes. Kalu isn't improving and Dickens can't hang. AC is just a smaller Robinson.

I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Zero. I don't get it.

(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

Improving the post presence after losing Robinson is a tall task!

(12-04-2019 07:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

Improving the post presence after losing Robinson is a tall task!

Apparently it was a Tall Task, lol. Can't do it playing 6'-7" Carver there - or is that really 6'-5" Carver?

(12-04-2019 08:22 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 07:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

Improving the post presence after losing Robinson is a tall task!

Apparently it was a Tall Task, lol. Can't do it playing 6'-7" Carver there - or is that really 6'-5" Carver?

Why not? Carver has been much better this year than Robinson was last year.

(12-04-2019 07:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?

Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

We have had Hassell, Lee, VV, Dahi, Loughton, and Cooper. We play against offensively capable midmajor bigs all the time. They are there to get and you don't need to cheat. I don't understand what the problem is.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

The problem is a coach who was stuck at American for a decade because he couldn’t recruit.

Trey porter was probably the most skilled big we’ve had under jones and he wouldn’t hold a candle to loughton Lee or hassell.

The kids are out there, Jeff just isn’t getting them.

W&M gets them.

(12-04-2019 09:27 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  W&M gets them.

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!

Besides Nathan Knight, who have they had thats better than what ODU has rolled out the past 5-10 years? Assuming them meant plural