To much Sunbelt trash on our board. Mods please move this thread to the trash where the belt fans will feel at home.

Trash??? LTU fans are happy as long as there are Texas schools in the conference. Or have you forgotten this post:

(12-01-2019 09:08 PM)voss749 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:02 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 01:37 PM)voss749 Wrote:  Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
App State

Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
UAB
FAU
FIU

Troy
USM
Lamo
ULaLa
Ark State
South Alabama


Latech
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP
Texas State

Now why would you want to rip us away from UAB and La Tech? LOL! ULaLa and Troy I like. I have to see how well USA/USM is attended before I'm sold on sharing a division with them.

Latech recruits heavily in Texas and does not want to be with Lamo. UAB's demographic and academic profile is quite similar to coastal schools and adds strong basketball to that division. Also Birmingham is closer to atlanta than to Hattiesburg.

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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Fair enough. Truth be told, I don't think USM fans really know themselves.

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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I'm not a USM fan.

The issue for USM is that their fan support is waning without a plan for growth. A growth plan is hard when you're in a start-up conference.

(12-02-2019 12:04 PM)deb025 Wrote:  To much Sunbelt trash on our board. Mods please move this thread to the trash where the belt fans will feel at home.

That's rich coming from a fan of a school that hasn't updated it's facilities since 1972.

(12-02-2019 03:38 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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I'm not a USM fan.

The issue for USM is that their fan support is waning without a plan for growth. A growth plan is hard when you're in a start-up conference.

Even worse. A sun belt guy from a school in the middle of nowhere

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(12-02-2019 05:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 03:38 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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I'm not a USM fan.

The issue for USM is that their fan support is waning without a plan for growth. A growth plan is hard when you're in a start-up conference.

Even worse. A sun belt guy from a school in the middle of nowhere

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you may want to review this one...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-888896-post-16...id16497266

(11-30-2019 07:51 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  These divisions might work politically*. Geographically, they're not bad either. Financially, you'd be consolidating a lot of resources and cutting travel costs for all. Now what is the precise length of time that these divisions need to stay together, to be able to split away, to form their own conference (obviously with others), like the Big East did, and not be penalized for 5 years, like a new conference would?

*Feel free to reshuffle, but keep in mind you need to separate La Tech and ULaMo, UAB and Troy/USA.

CUSA
North Division
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
App State

South Division
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
FIU
FAU
UAB

Sun Belt
East Division
South Alabama
Troy
Ark State
USM
ULaMo
LA Tech

West Division
ULaLa
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP
Texas State

If any changes between CUSA and SBC I think geographical alignment makes sense so both keep 50% of members should not be issue for NCAAM Tourney bid.

(12-02-2019 03:39 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:04 PM)deb025 Wrote:  To much Sunbelt trash on our board. Mods please move this thread to the trash where the belt fans will feel at home.

That's rich coming from a fan of a school that hasn't updated it's facilities since 1972.

Man you're ignorant. Tech has updated plenty of facilities and the campus since 1972. Don't come over here anymore you're not welcomed. I saw you spewing the same shite on the Sunbelt board about Tech. Lying makes you look small. You're also the same poster that was on this board constantly talking trash about how Ark. St. was going to beat us in the New Orleans Bowl several years ago. That didn't work out and you disappeared and now your back. Do we have to beat down another Sunbelt champ in a bowl to get you to go away again boy?

(11-30-2019 11:34 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Why did the former SBC teams leave for CUSA?

I ask myself that very same question.

(11-30-2019 11:34 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Why did the former SBC teams leave for CUSA?

It was the fear of missing out. You know, FOMO. Everyone that left the SBC knew they were going nowhere as long as they were stuck in that conference. With the move to CUSA, they at least had hope that things could improve. That's proving to not be the case though, as the P5 conferences have pretty much put all G5 conferences "in our place".

Any dreams of raising one's G5 program to the level of a P5 program are all history now. No G5 program will ever rise to the heights that Boise once did. Never. Not even Boise will be able to do it again.

It makes no difference what G5 conference one plays in anymore. We've all been relegated to obscurity.

(12-03-2019 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:34 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Why did the former SBC teams leave for CUSA?

It was the fear of missing out. You know, FOMO. Everyone that left the SBC knew they were going nowhere as long as they were stuck in that conference. With the move to CUSA, they at least had hope that things could improve. That's proving to not be the case though, as the P5 conferences have pretty much put all G5 conferences "in our place".

Any dreams of raising one's G5 program to the level of a P5 program are all history now. No G5 program will ever rise to the heights that Boise once did. Never. Not even Boise will be able to do it again.

It makes no difference what G5 conference one plays in anymore. We've all been relegated to obscurity.

I wouldn't count out MEM in the final phase of realignment that is just around the corner....

but yeah, the damage started back in '11....nobody should be surprised at this point....

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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Recruits probably don't care that Favre went there 30 years ago either. This is as good a post as I've seen on this thread.

(12-03-2019 09:49 AM)NinerAlum18 Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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Recruits probably don't care that Favre went there 30 years ago either. This is as good a post as I've seen on this thread.

#SIPSQUAD20 - hashtags get recruits

(12-03-2019 09:49 AM)NinerAlum18 Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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Recruits probably don't care that Favre went there 30 years ago either. This is as good a post as I've seen on this thread.

what you don't understand is some of us ol' fogies got to not only enjoy watching him perform, but getting him jacked up the night beforehand....it's legendary...

there's many of us that don't pine about the past in rhetoric.....the majority are pissed off how we've pissed off over the decades since....

however, if it makes you feel better, keep on bashing our history.....I refuse the 'refuse' of that version....

(12-02-2019 05:03 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 03:38 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

Great you have more history. You are getting beat now

Going by your rationale we will never belong. Either you guys beat us or you rely on history. Yawn...

If southern miss is so superior they would be trampling all these newbie schools. They aren't. Wku and fau are making title games and winning them. You guys havent won a title in a long time.

You can't act like you are far superior when you arent beating the teams that you are talking down too. I dont give a crap that Brett favre played for you 30 years ago

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I'm not a USM fan.

The issue for USM is that their fan support is waning without a plan for growth. A growth plan is hard when you're in a start-up conference.

Even worse. A sun belt guy from a school in the middle of nowhere

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You should probably take a trip to Boone sometime. I'm sure you'd enjoy it. Not sure what being a fan of a school has to do with their location.

If you want to talk about results. App has more 11 win seasons since 2015 than FAU has since 2001. You only have one 11-win season at FBS and that is with a soon to be departed Lane Kiffin.

(12-02-2019 12:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:41 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:53 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  So if I have the logic right, Southern Miss and Marshall are the flagships and too good for the other losers in this conference. We are holding them back. Charlotte especially, was a bad add to the conference. Looking at the tote board, I see that Southern Miss was 7-5...hmmm, the same as Charlotte. And Marshall at 8-4 just lost to Charlotte. Tell me again how we are the problem.

And we just beat Southern Miss by 17 even not playing near our best game. Won the east for the 2nd time in 3 years etc. But these teams not winning the conference let alone dominating are way superior. Yeah right

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FIU and FAU landed Butch Jones and Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has two feet out of the door and a hand reaching back in to grab his bag. What happens following his departure will tell you more about whether the program FAU has is improved or if Lane Kiffin was the program.

When you can sustain success is when you get the bragging rights associated with said success. As it stands now, FAU and FIU both don't have two pennies to rub together when it comes to discussing programs and history with either USM or Marshall. If either school decides to change leadership for the better, you'd see increased growth that has waned in recent years; interest that has waned due, at least in part, to C-USA 3.0 being filled with start-up programs that have no traditional ties to USM in any way (other than Charlotte in basketball).

You are absolutely right...every program is 1 head coaching hire away from mediocrity...including App State. All we can do is what we are doing, succeeding with Kiffin and open a $70 million athletic/academic center that will compete with almost every program in the country. It doesn't hurt that we are right in the middle of the best recruiting territory in the country and the weather is pretty pleasant. Kiffin, I believe is 50/50 and everyone makes it sound like some indictment that he may leave. We are going to play for our 2nd conference championship in 3 years (2nd in 2 years for UAB), who wouldn't trade that for possible turmoil in our coaching situation starting Sunday?

(12-03-2019 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:34 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Why did the former SBC teams leave for CUSA?

It was the fear of missing out. You know, FOMO. Everyone that left the SBC knew they were going nowhere as long as they were stuck in that conference. With the move to CUSA, they at least had hope that things could improve. That's proving to not be the case though, as the P5 conferences have pretty much put all G5 conferences "in our place".

Any dreams of raising one's G5 program to the level of a P5 program are all history now. No G5 program will ever rise to the heights that Boise once did. Never. Not even Boise will be able to do it again.

It makes no difference what G5 conference one plays in anymore. We've all been relegated to obscurity.

In many cases, it was because of the schools/programs that were in CUSA at the time they accepted an invitation.

(12-03-2019 12:12 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:34 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Why did the former SBC teams leave for CUSA?

It was the fear of missing out. You know, FOMO. Everyone that left the SBC knew they were going nowhere as long as they were stuck in that conference. With the move to CUSA, they at least had hope that things could improve. That's proving to not be the case though, as the P5 conferences have pretty much put all G5 conferences "in our place".

Any dreams of raising one's G5 program to the level of a P5 program are all history now. No G5 program will ever rise to the heights that Boise once did. Never. Not even Boise will be able to do it again.

It makes no difference what G5 conference one plays in anymore. We've all been relegated to obscurity.

In many cases, it was because of the schools/programs that were in CUSA at the time they accepted an invitation.

Definitely this. It looked like great moves when UNT, MT, and F_U's were the first schools to go to CUSA, simply because they were about to be with Marshall, East Carolina, Southern Miss, Tulane, and Tulsa from the old CUSA. I even wanted Troy to be with those schools. Those were well-known programs at the time.

Everything sort of fell apart though when most of them left for the AAC. CUSA ultimately wound up taking half of the Sun Belt, a start-up Charlotte, and a transitioning ODU... all of which killed the appeal CUSA previously had as the "step-up" conference. I think if Banowsky would've done things a little differently, CUSA would still be considered the "step-up" conference and be in better shape.