(12-01-2019 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It'll be interesting to see if Palm(who is not a good bracketologist by the way)- has it right that Penn St will be ahead of Alabama. No lock at all.

Also, not sure why Wisconsin would go over Penn St to the Rose, when PSU will be ahead of Wisconsin in the ratings.

Yes, it will be interesting to see if the SEC or B1G gets the Orange Bowl.

Thing is though, because there is only one at-large spot this year, the SEC could have 5 top 13 or 14 teams and only two make the NY6.

Don't see how. LSU, UGA and Florida and probably Alabama will be top 9. At least top 8 make NY6. Orange (ACC behind Clemson), Cotton (G5 best) and possibly either the Rose (P12) or Sugar (B12) but not both will have a team lower ranked and Rose (B10-Penn St.) could be below #9. But that's only 4 of the 12 slots.

(12-01-2019 10:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:49 PM)cubucks Wrote:  1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma/Baylor

If one through three win as expected, there is what the top 4 will be.

PAC will be left out.

I'm sticking to my belief that LSU will destroy Georgia this weekend. Again, we will see how this post ages.

I think Oregon kills Utah actually.

Why Utah has dominated PAC similar to OSU dominating BIG. Utah opens as a 4.5 favorite.

There seems to be a belief that Utah is not that talented. That would be wrong. They are not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama. But they do have talent. In the last three NFL drafts (2017-2019), they have had 14 players drafted. Oklahoma has had 16 players drafted. Baylor has had two players drafted.

Any team that is ranked No.3 in total defense in the nation, No.3 in scoring defense in the nation and the No.1 in rushing defense in the country, is a very good team. The reason they are favored over Oregon is because the Ducks have been struggling on offense. They could not get much going against either Arizona State or Oregon State. Utah is not a team you want to face if you are struggling on offense.

If both Utah and OU win their CCG, I think it is a toss-up for the 4th playoff spot. It is a terrific defensive team vs a terrific offensive team. Baylor is having a magical season and Matt Rhule and his staff have done a great job coaching. But their non-conference schedule is very soft and I am not sure how they got through their schedule with just one conference loss. They had a two point win over Iowa State. A three point win over West Virginia. Double overtime win over Texas Tech. Triple overtime win over TCU. Only Iowa State is bowl eligible out of that group. I don't think they belong in the top ten.

(12-01-2019 11:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:49 PM)cubucks Wrote:  1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma/Baylor

If one through three win as expected, there is what the top 4 will be.

PAC will be left out.

I'm sticking to my belief that LSU will destroy Georgia this weekend. Again, we will see how this post ages.

I think Oregon kills Utah actually.

Why Utah has dominated PAC similar to OSU dominating BIG. Utah opens as a 4.5 favorite.

There seems to be a belief that Utah is not that talented. That would be wrong. They are not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama. But they do have talent. In the last three NFL drafts (2017-2019), they have had 14 players drafted. Oklahoma has had 16 players drafted. Baylor has had two players drafted.

Any team that is ranked No.3 in total defense in the nation, No.3 in scoring defense in the nation and the No.1 in rushing defense in the country, is a very good team. The reason they are favored over Oregon is because the Ducks have been struggling on offense. They could not get much going against either Arizona State or Oregon State. Utah is not a team you want to face if you are struggling on offense.

If both Utah and OU win their CCG, I think it is a toss-up for the 4th playoff spot. It is a terrific defensive team vs a terrific offensive team. Baylor is having a magical season and Matt Rhule and his staff have done a great job coaching. But their non-conference schedule is very soft and I am not sure how they got through their schedule with just one conference loss. They had a two point win over Iowa State. A three point win over West Virginia. Double overtime win over Texas Tech. Triple overtime win over TCU. Only Iowa State is bowl eligible out of that group. I don't think they belong in the top ten.

Baylor also dominated Texas. The 24-10 score was due to a Texas TD with 1 second left. LSU and OU only beat Texas by 7 in very close games.

Utah is a very good team that has dominated a lot of teams. However look at the schedule so far:

- Lost to the only ranked opponent they faced who had to play a third string QB

- Their blowouts mostly happened against sub .500 or .500 teams or an FCS team. Oregon State, Colorado, UCLA, Idaho St, Northern Illinois, and 6-6 Wazzu.

Against 7-5 teams they beat Washington by 4 and they had another two solid wins Vs BYU & ASU where they pulled away late.

They also got a blowout Vs Cal when the Golden Bears had to play a third string QB but that’s a big asterisk on an already bad Cal offense.

It’s a pretty weak schedule resume despite their dominant margins in several weeks. The entire argument is surviving Vs Washington and pulling away from two decent teams while ignoring the USC loss because the margin of victory is bigger.

Both the Big 12 teams have faced tougher schedules, have more notable wins, have more forgivable losses, and face a tougher opponent this week.

It’s whether you value margin of victory or value quality wins.

(12-01-2019 11:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:49 PM)cubucks Wrote:  1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma/Baylor

If one through three win as expected, there is what the top 4 will be.

PAC will be left out.

I'm sticking to my belief that LSU will destroy Georgia this weekend. Again, we will see how this post ages.

I think Oregon kills Utah actually.

Why Utah has dominated PAC similar to OSU dominating BIG. Utah opens as a 4.5 favorite.

There seems to be a belief that Utah is not that talented. That would be wrong. They are not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama. But they do have talent. In the last three NFL drafts (2017-2019), they have had 14 players drafted. Oklahoma has had 16 players drafted. Baylor has had two players drafted.

Any team that is ranked No.3 in total defense in the nation, No.3 in scoring defense in the nation and the No.1 in rushing defense in the country, is a very good team. The reason they are favored over Oregon is because the Ducks have been struggling on offense. They could not get much going against either Arizona State or Oregon State. Utah is not a team you want to face if you are struggling on offense.

If both Utah and OU win their CCG, I think it is a toss-up for the 4th playoff spot. It is a terrific defensive team vs a terrific offensive team. Baylor is having a magical season and Matt Rhule and his staff have done a great job coaching. But their non-conference schedule is very soft and I am not sure how they got through their schedule with just one conference loss. They had a two point win over Iowa State. A three point win over West Virginia. Double overtime win over Texas Tech. Triple overtime win over TCU. Only Iowa State is bowl eligible out of that group. I don't think they belong in the top ten.

Half of BU’s schedule is in sagarin’s top 33 and the Bears went 5-1 against it and had a chance to win with 40 seconds left and the ball across the 50 down 3. Three of these wins were convincing. 31-12 and 45-27 wins on the road at KSU & OSU and beating Texas by multiple scores in a game that wasn’t that close.

Half of OU’s schedule is in sagarins top 33 and the Sooners went 5-1 against it and lost by 7 to a solid team that will probably slide back into the rankings this week.

One quarter of Utah’s schedule is in the top 40 and they went 2-1 losing to a third string QB and never having the ball with a chance to take the lead in the final nine minutes of the fourth quarter. Only one of these wins was convincing (ASU 21-3 where Utah added a final TD with 5:24 to go)

(12-01-2019 11:56 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Utah is a very good team that has dominated a lot of teams. However look at the schedule so far:

- Lost to the only ranked opponent they faced who had to play a third string QB

- Their blowouts mostly happened against sub .500 or .500 teams or an FCS team. Oregon State, Colorado, UCLA, Idaho St, Northern Illinois, and 6-6 Wazzu.

Against 7-5 teams they beat Washington by 4 and they had another two solid wins Vs BYU & ASU where they pulled away late.

They also got a blowout Vs Cal when the Golden Bears had to play a third string QB but that’s a big asterisk on an already bad Cal offense.

It’s a pretty weak schedule resume despite their dominant margins in several weeks. The entire argument is surviving Vs Washington and pulling away from two decent teams while ignoring the USC loss because the margin of victory is bigger.

Both the Big 12 teams have faced tougher schedules, have more notable wins, have more forgivable losses, and face a tougher opponent this week.

It’s whether you value margin of victory or value quality wins.

Baylor 2019 Schedule:
1) 3-9 Stephen F. Austin, won at home, 56-17
2) 4-8 UTSA, won at home, 63-14
3) 3-9 Rice, won on the road, 21-13
4) 7-5 Iowa State, won at home, 23-21 (Baylor won with a 38 yard field goal with 21 seconds left)
5) 8-4 Kansas State, won on the road, 31-12.
6) 4-8 Texas Tech, won at home, 33-30 in 2OT. (Baylor drove 89 yards in 11 plays to kick a field goal on the last play of regulation and send the game into overtime).
7) 8-4 Oklahoma State, won on the road, 45-27.
8) 5-7 WVU, won at home, 17-14. (score was tied 14-14 in the 4th quarter).
9) 5-7 TCU, won on the road, 29-23 in 3OT (Baylor needed a 51 yard field goal with 36 seconds left to tie the game and send it into OT).
10) 11-1 OU. loss at home, 34-31 (blew a 28-3 2nd quarter lead).
11) 7-5 Texas, won at home, 24-10.
12) 3-9 Kansas, won on the road, 61-6.

The wins at Kansas State and Oklahoma State were impressive. It is never easy to win on the road against good teams. Good win against Texas. The games against Iowa State, Texas Tech, WVU and TCU don't look so impressive. Texas Tech lost to a 4-8 Arizona team, 28-14 at Tucson.

Utah's wins over ASU, BYU and Washington were not as you described them. Utah led BYU 30-6 in the 4th quarter. BYU scored a touchdown in the 4th to get to the final 30-12. Against ASU, in a game they won 21-3, they led all the way. ASU quarterback Jayden Daniels, a true freshman, threw for 408 yards and three touchdowns against Oregon. Against Utah, he threw for 25 yards. ASU had a total of 136 yards in offense. UW is always tough in Seattle and Utah led 33-21 until the Huskies scored a touchdown with about a minute left in the game.

Utah has won 10 of their 11 games by 18 points or more. They don't have a win against a team currently ranked in the top 25. But then neither does Baylor. OU has the win over Baylor. The Baylor non-conference schedule may be the worst in the country among power conference schools. So, I see a few good wins over non-ranked teams for Utah and Baylor and OU has that impressive comeback over Baylor. Utah has been crushing teams with losing records and Baylor has struggled with teams with losing records. I could make a case for OU over Utah, but not Baylor.

(12-02-2019 02:37 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:56 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Utah is a very good team that has dominated a lot of teams. However look at the schedule so far:

- Lost to the only ranked opponent they faced who had to play a third string QB

- Their blowouts mostly happened against sub .500 or .500 teams or an FCS team. Oregon State, Colorado, UCLA, Idaho St, Northern Illinois, and 6-6 Wazzu.

Against 7-5 teams they beat Washington by 4 and they had another two solid wins Vs BYU & ASU where they pulled away late.

They also got a blowout Vs Cal when the Golden Bears had to play a third string QB but that’s a big asterisk on an already bad Cal offense.

It’s a pretty weak schedule resume despite their dominant margins in several weeks. The entire argument is surviving Vs Washington and pulling away from two decent teams while ignoring the USC loss because the margin of victory is bigger.

Both the Big 12 teams have faced tougher schedules, have more notable wins, have more forgivable losses, and face a tougher opponent this week.

It’s whether you value margin of victory or value quality wins.

...

Utah's wins over ASU, BYU and Washington were not as you described them.

Disagree and I’ll counter your spin point by point.

Quote:Utah led BYU 30-6 in the 4th quarter. BYU scored a touchdown in the 4th to get to the final 30-12.

16-6 after 3. They pulled away in the 4th against a very mediocre BYU squad.

Quote:Against ASU, in a game they won 21-3, they led all the way. ASU quarterback Jayden Daniels, a true freshman, threw for 408 yards and three touchdowns against Oregon. Against Utah, he threw for 25 yards. ASU had a total of 136 yards in offense.

Great defensive effort. However the score was only 14-3 until 5 minutes to go. Not exactly putting ASU away early.

Quote:UW is always tough in Seattle and Utah led 33-21 until the Huskies scored a touchdown with about a minute left in the game.

And it was the drive immediately following Utah’s score to go up two possessions. That isn’t a mop-up score when UW got the ball back with 4:30+ to go and it was a one score game before Utes got the ball prior.

Quote:Utah has won 10 of their 11 games by 18 points or more.

And let’s break those down in terms of SOS.

One Vs 3-9 FCS team
One Vs 5-7 G5 team
One Vs 7-5 BYU team ranked worse than 60th by Sagarin
One Vs 7-5 Cal Without their top two QBs
One Vs 6-6 Wazzu
FOUR Vs below .500 P12 teams
One Vs 7-5 ASU which was a decent win

And they lost to the only ranked opponent they played with the opponent having to play a third string QB

Quote:They don't have a win against a team currently ranked in the top 25. But then neither does Baylor.

In the ranking Baylor and OU have two! You got that one wrong

Oklahoma State and Iowa State were ranked in last week’s rankings. KSU was also recently ranked and likely replaces ISU in the top 25 on Tuesday.

Quote:So, I see a few good wins over non-ranked teams for Utah and Baylor and OU has that impressive comeback over Baylor. Utah has been crushing teams with losing records and Baylor has struggled with teams with losing records. I could make a case for OU over Utah, but not Baylor.

Baylor and OU both have two top 25 wins and likely have three next week.

Utah would have one in Oregon.


Style points is the Utes only real argument. Even the Sagarin computer rankings have both Big 12 teams with better schedules too.

I will be surprised if the CFP committee doesn't rank Oklahoma at #5 tomorrow.

Oklahoma now has road wins over #8 Baylor (11-1) and rival Oklahoma State (8-4). Their 41-48 road loss to Kansas State (8-4) now doesn't look any worse than a 23-30 road loss to USC (8-4). Utah's best wins are over 7-5 Arizona State and 7-5 Washington.

And, yes, I have a huge bias.

Jalen Hurts in there with that high flying offense is a no brainer. Got to take OU no matter what.

Utah vs Baylor.... simple. Style points. Go out there and blow your opponent out this Saturday. Look like ****, you will not be there. The schedules are comparable, with Baylor being a bit more top heavy.

I don't see a case for either Baylor or Utah if they win ugly. They would have gone with Bama had they won in Auburn but that's not the case. Still, these two games are going to tell us A LOT.

Here's the wild card.... don't rule out Wisconsin if they land a convincing KO to OSU. If they pull an upset like say, KSU/Darren Sproles over Sooners/White in a title game, they can play themselves back in. In this less than 5% scenario:

1. LSU 2. Clemson 3. OSU 12-1 4. Wisconsin 11-2

Crazy, but not impossible.

The worst thing that could happen to the Big 12 and the PAC 12 is for Georgia to beat LSU. Then I think both teams make it. If LSU, OSU, and Clemson all win as expected, the Oklahoma/Baylor winner probably gets the 4th spot. Utah would have to win by a landslide to be considered.

(12-02-2019 08:20 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The worst thing that could happen to the Big 12 and the PAC 12 is for Georgia to beat LSU. Then I think both teams make it. If LSU, OSU, and Clemson all win as expected, the Oklahoma/Baylor winner probably gets the 4th spot. Utah would have to win by a landslide to be considered.

Yep, the Big 12 and PAC are massive LSU fans this week.

Though .... if LSU or Ohio State gets curbed-stomped, they will likely fall out.

(12-02-2019 08:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Jalen Hurts in there with that high flying offense is a no brainer. Got to take OU no matter what.

Utah vs Baylor.... simple. Style points. Go out there and blow your opponent out this Saturday. Look like ****, you will not be there. The schedules are comparable, with Baylor being a bit more top heavy.

Schedules are not comparable.

Baylor is 4-1 Vs Sagarin top 30 (5-1 Vs top 33)

Utah is 1-1 Vs top 30 and has a net losing scoring margin in those games.

Overall Sagarin SOS is Baylor 12 spots higher with a better opponent left to play than Utah does.

Schedule isn’t at all even.

Quote:I don't see a case for either Baylor or Utah if they win ugly. They would have gone with Bama had they won in Auburn but that's not the case. Still, these two games are going to tell us A LOT.

Here's the wild card.... don't rule out Wisconsin if they land a convincing KO to OSU. If they pull an upset like say, KSU/Darren Sproles over Sooners/White in a title game, they can play themselves back in. In this less than 5% scenario:

1. LSU 2. Clemson 3. OSU 12-1 4. Wisconsin 11-2

Crazy, but not impossible.

Wisconsin got blown out and has a bad loss to the Illini. They are done.

(12-02-2019 08:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 08:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Jalen Hurts in there with that high flying offense is a no brainer. Got to take OU no matter what.

Utah vs Baylor.... simple. Style points. Go out there and blow your opponent out this Saturday. Look like ****, you will not be there. The schedules are comparable, with Baylor being a bit more top heavy.

Schedules are not comparable.

Baylor is 4-1 Vs Sagarin top 30 (5-1 Vs top 33)

Utah is 1-1 Vs top 30 and has a net losing scoring margin in those games.

Overall Sagarin SOS is Baylor 12 spots higher with a better opponent left to play than Utah does.

Schedule isn’t at all even.

Quote:I don't see a case for either Baylor or Utah if they win ugly. They would have gone with Bama had they won in Auburn but that's not the case. Still, these two games are going to tell us A LOT.

Here's the wild card.... don't rule out Wisconsin if they land a convincing KO to OSU. If they pull an upset like say, KSU/Darren Sproles over Sooners/White in a title game, they can play themselves back in. In this less than 5% scenario:

1. LSU 2. Clemson 3. OSU 12-1 4. Wisconsin 11-2

Crazy, but not impossible.

Wisconsin got blown out and has a bad loss to the Illini. They are done.

In this case, record means everything but I assure you the committee is looking at many additional factors that posters have already alluded to. I don’t think record is an end all be all when you have a loss.

Let’s see where Baylor Utah Wisconsin are after tonight. I’m guessing:

5. OU
6. Utah
7. Baylor
8/9. Wisconsin/Fla
10. PSU
11. Oregon

If they like Wisconsin over Fla PSU and Oregon then yes they have a slim shot. I would take a 25:1 odd or something of blowing out OSU and OU and UGa losing.

7 vs 5 is not a lock for Baylor if UGa loses.

(12-02-2019 08:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 08:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Jalen Hurts in there with that high flying offense is a no brainer. Got to take OU no matter what.

Utah vs Baylor.... simple. Style points. Go out there and blow your opponent out this Saturday. Look like ****, you will not be there. The schedules are comparable, with Baylor being a bit more top heavy.

Schedules are not comparable.

Baylor is 4-1 Vs Sagarin top 30 (5-1 Vs top 33)

Utah is 1-1 Vs top 30 and has a net losing scoring margin in those games.

Overall Sagarin SOS is Baylor 12 spots higher with a better opponent left to play than Utah does.

Schedule isn’t at all even.

Quote:I don't see a case for either Baylor or Utah if they win ugly. They would have gone with Bama had they won in Auburn but that's not the case. Still, these two games are going to tell us A LOT.

Here's the wild card.... don't rule out Wisconsin if they land a convincing KO to OSU. If they pull an upset like say, KSU/Darren Sproles over Sooners/White in a title game, they can play themselves back in. In this less than 5% scenario:

1. LSU 2. Clemson 3. OSU 12-1 4. Wisconsin 11-2

Crazy, but not impossible.

Wisconsin got blown out and has a bad loss to the Illini. They are done.

The difference between the two schedules is something like playing 12 games against Pitt and playing 12 games against Miami. If you can spot the difference there, great, but I suspect most can't.

(12-03-2019 05:41 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 08:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 08:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Jalen Hurts in there with that high flying offense is a no brainer. Got to take OU no matter what.

Utah vs Baylor.... simple. Style points. Go out there and blow your opponent out this Saturday. Look like ****, you will not be there. The schedules are comparable, with Baylor being a bit more top heavy.

Schedules are not comparable.

Baylor is 4-1 Vs Sagarin top 30 (5-1 Vs top 33)

Utah is 1-1 Vs top 30 and has a net losing scoring margin in those games.

Overall Sagarin SOS is Baylor 12 spots higher with a better opponent left to play than Utah does.

Schedule isn’t at all even.

Quote:I don't see a case for either Baylor or Utah if they win ugly. They would have gone with Bama had they won in Auburn but that's not the case. Still, these two games are going to tell us A LOT.

Here's the wild card.... don't rule out Wisconsin if they land a convincing KO to OSU. If they pull an upset like say, KSU/Darren Sproles over Sooners/White in a title game, they can play themselves back in. In this less than 5% scenario:

1. LSU 2. Clemson 3. OSU 12-1 4. Wisconsin 11-2

Crazy, but not impossible.

Wisconsin got blown out and has a bad loss to the Illini. They are done.

The difference between the two schedules is something like playing 12 games against Pitt and playing 12 games against Miami. If you can spot the difference there, great, but I suspect most can't.

The difference is the easiest three games are slightly easier for BU. The games where you are actually tested were tougher for BU by far.

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

We were not idle. TCU played Iowa State and won 55-3 and Baylor blasted Kansas State. What no one remembers is the Wisconsin coach was leaving for Oregon State right after the game since he couldn't stand Alvarez. How hard do you think he prepared for that game?
But we know how it work, they want to sell TV ratings.

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

That's true. It was the Big 12's fault. If Baylor and TCU had played a CCG, the winner almost surely gets in over Ohio State and deservedly so.

Even if the winner won a close game, that likely would have been viewed as more impressive than Ohio State's 59-0 win, because Baylor and TCU were ranked #3 and #6 in the CFP at the time, whereas Wisconsin was #13. People today forget that the Wisconsin team that tOSU blew out was a good team, but not a world-beater. Very much like this year's Wisconsin team.

And, a Big 12 CCG would have settled the Baylor/TCU dilemma as to who was in fact that conference champ.

But without that game, the best choice was Ohio State.

(12-03-2019 09:40 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

We were not idle. TCU played Iowa State and won 55-3 and Baylor blasted Kansas State. What no one remembers is the Wisconsin coach was leaving for Oregon State right after the game since he couldn't stand Alvarez. How hard do you think he prepared for that game?
But we know how it work, they want to sell TV ratings.

TCU might as well have been idle. Iowa St was 2-10.

The problem for TCU was Baylor. They finally got some SOS help in their schedule and got close enough to where h2h beat TCU.

(12-03-2019 09:40 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

We were not idle. TCU played Iowa State and won 55-3 and Baylor blasted Kansas State. What no one remembers is the Wisconsin coach was leaving for Oregon State right after the game since he couldn't stand Alvarez. How hard do you think he prepared for that game?
But we know how it work, they want to sell TV ratings.

Or the conference that was trumpeting "One True Champion" all season could have actually presented one to the committee instead of two.