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Charlie Strong fired at South Florida after 3 seasons

Quote:The 59-year-old Strong went 21-16 with the Bulls, who finished their 2019 season with a 34-7 loss to cross-state rival Central Florida on Saturday. USF went 10-2 and won the Birmingham Bowl in his 2017 debut, but slipped to 7-6 last season and collapsed to 4-8 this year.

Strong is 74-53 in 11 seasons as a college head coach, including a one-game stint as Florida’s interim coach in 2004. He went 37-15 at Louisville from 2010-13 (twice earning Big East Coach of the Year honors) before entering the big-time at Texas in 2014.

The Longhorns went just 16-21 in three seasons under Strong, finishing with a losing record each time. He was fired at the end of the 2016 season, but quickly latched on at USF.

Strong was too weak.
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North Texas fired their OC and DC.
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(12-02-2019 11:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  The hits kept comin':

Boston College Parts Ways with Steve Addazio

Sound like a familiar script?
Quote:Addazio was made coach at the start of the 2012 season, where he tried to right the ship after the disastrous Frank Spaziani era. Early results were promising, and Addazio turned a 2-10 team under Spaz to a 7-6 team immediately. Momentum looked to be on his side. A second 7-6 campaign the in 2014 saw more on-the-field improvement, including close losses to Clemson, FSU, and Penn State. But that momentum seemed to stop there. The 2015 season saw the team bottom out at the bottom of the ACC and waste the greatest defense in recent memory.

And since then, BC has just been kind of… meh. Short spurts of excitement and slight improvements on the recruiting trail have been outweighed by the lack of competition against top teams and consistently flawed game management. The excuses that were entertained in the first few years, such as lack of depth or youth, have worn thin. And that aforementioned momentum has all but vanished. It is time to move on.

Boston College fires football coach Steve Addazio after seven seasons

Boston College fired football coach Steve Addazio on Sunday after seven seasons, a person with knowledge of the decision told USA TODAY Sports. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the school had not yet announced the move.

Addazio got Boston College to bowl eligibility in six of those seven years, including Saturday when the Eagles beat Pitt 26-19 to reach 6-6. But the program hadn't been able to get over the hump of six- and seven-win seasons and advance up the ACC standings.

Addazio finishes his tenure 44-44 overall and 22-34 in the ACC.
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I can't think of many examples where firing a consistently winning but allegedly "plateaued" coach has led to actually ascending to a higher plateau. TAMU (Slocum), Purdue (Tiller), Nebraska (Solich *and* Pelini)... good luck, BC
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(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  I can't think of many examples where firing a consistently winning but allegedly "plateaued" coach has led to actually ascending to a higher plateau. TAMU (Slocum), Purdue (Tiller), Nebraska (Solich *and* Pelini)... good luck, BC

Every time I hear "plateau" I think of Leeman Bennett and Staubach.
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(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  The hits kept comin':

Boston College Parts Ways with Steve Addazio

Sound like a familiar script?
Quote:Addazio was made coach at the start of the 2012 season, where he tried to right the ship after the disastrous Frank Spaziani era. Early results were promising, and Addazio turned a 2-10 team under Spaz to a 7-6 team immediately. Momentum looked to be on his side. A second 7-6 campaign the in 2014 saw more on-the-field improvement, including close losses to Clemson, FSU, and Penn State. But that momentum seemed to stop there. The 2015 season saw the team bottom out at the bottom of the ACC and waste the greatest defense in recent memory.

And since then, BC has just been kind of… meh. Short spurts of excitement and slight improvements on the recruiting trail have been outweighed by the lack of competition against top teams and consistently flawed game management. The excuses that were entertained in the first few years, such as lack of depth or youth, have worn thin. And that aforementioned momentum has all but vanished. It is time to move on.

Boston College fires football coach Steve Addazio after seven seasons

Boston College fired football coach Steve Addazio on Sunday after seven seasons, a person with knowledge of the decision told USA TODAY Sports. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the school had not yet announced the move.

Addazio got Boston College to bowl eligibility in six of those seven years, including Saturday when the Eagles beat Pitt 26-19 to reach 6-6. But the program hadn't been able to get over the hump of six- and seven-win seasons and advance up the ACC standings.

Addazio finishes his tenure 44-44 overall and 22-34 in the ACC.

I can't think of many examples where firing a consistently winning but allegedly "plateaued" coach has led to actually ascending to a higher plateau. TAMU (Slocum), Purdue (Tiller), Nebraska (Solich *and* Pelini)... good luck, BC
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FWIW-Addazio won less at BC than Tom O'brien, Jeff Jagodzinski, Tom Coughlin, etc....

He was only decent in comparison to Frank Spaziani... BC had lots of top 25 finishes in the mid 90's through the Matt Ryan years.
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(12-02-2019 12:08 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  North Texas fired their OC and DC.

Interesting quotes from the Texasfootball.com article:

Quote:The Mean Green also fell from nine wins each of the past two seasons to a 4-8 campaign, capped off with a disastrous loss to Rice in the penultimate game of the season.


Quote:North Texas had the highest assistant coach salary pool in Conference-USA during the 2018 season and Littrell's $1.865 million salary number eclipsed Power Five coaches at Indiana and Arizona. The offensive coordinator position should immediately be one of the hottest openings in the Group of Five.
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(12-02-2019 01:07 PM)temchugh Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:08 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  North Texas fired their OC and DC.

Interesting quotes from the Texasfootball.com article:

Quote:The Mean Green also fell from nine wins each of the past two seasons to a 4-8 campaign, capped off with a disastrous loss to Rice in the penultimate game of the season.


Quote:North Texas had the highest assistant coach salary pool in Conference-USA during the 2018 season and Littrell's $1.865 million salary number eclipsed Power Five coaches at Indiana and Arizona. The offensive coordinator position should immediately be one of the hottest openings in the Group of Five.

Oh, that's a hefty paycheck, I'm surprised UNT is ponying up that much.
I thought Bloomgren was sitting at ~$1M, but turns out it's more like $1.5M? https://www.coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm

When we talk about things *we* can do to improve our lot, as opposed to what others should do for us, salaries are the first and most obvious place for action. If we want to dominate CUSA and eventually get out of it, we need to be paying absolute top dollar in CUSA.
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Chris Petersen steps down at Washington

Quote:Chris Petersen announced Monday that he will step down from his position as University of Washington head football coach following the Huskies' bowl game. UW Director of Athletics Jennifer Cohen has named current defensive coordinator Jimmy Lake the new head coach of the Huskies. Petersen will transition into a leadership advisory role for Husky Athletics.

Petersen steps down with a career record of 146-38, compiled during his eight seasons at Boise State and six years at UW. His career winning percentage of .793 ranks second among active coaches with at least five years of FBS experience. He reached 100 career wins (in 2014) faster than all but four coaches in major college history, doing so in just 117 games.

In his six seasons at Washington, Petersen led the Huskies to two Pac-12 Championships (2016 and 2018), the 2016 College Football Playoffs, and three consecutive New Years Six bowl games. The Huskies won 39 games from 2015 through 2018 – most ever by the UW in a four-year stretch. If the Huskies win their bowl game this year, it will be the program's 40th victory over the four seasons from 2016 to 2019, setting a new record.

Along with his on-field successes, Petersen has raised the Huskies' academic profile well past its previous highest heights. His teams have consistently compiled grade point averages well above 3.0, and the Huskies recently unseated Stanford as the Pac-12 leader in the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate. The Huskies have also succeeded on the gridiron after graduation as 24 UW athletes have been selected in the NFL Draft in the last five years, while 31 Huskies are currently on NFL rosters.

Like this quote:

Quote:"Chris has been Transformational for not only our football program, but our entire athletic department," Cohen said.

It is important to note that Petersen, 55, said he will “recharge” and did not use the word “retire.” So...he may be available after a while "recharging."
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(11-28-2019 12:02 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Boise State:

Houston Nutt: 4-7
Dirk Koetter: 6-5, 10-3, 10-2
Dan Hawkins: 8-4, 12-1, 13-1, 11-1, 9-4
Chris Petersen: 13-0, 10-3, 12-1, 14-0, 12-1, 12-1, 11-2, 8-4
Bob Gregory: 0-1
Bryan Harsin: 12-2, 9-4, 10-3, 11-3, 10-3, 10-1

Them was a good line he had at Boise State.
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(12-02-2019 12:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:34 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  I can't think of many examples where firing a consistently winning but allegedly "plateaued" coach has led to actually ascending to a higher plateau. TAMU (Slocum), Purdue (Tiller), Nebraska (Solich *and* Pelini)... good luck, BC

FWIW-Addazio won less at BC than Tom O'brien, Jeff Jagodzinski, Tom Coughlin, etc....

He was only decent in comparison to Frank Spaziani... BC had lots of top 25 finishes in the mid 90's through the Matt Ryan years.

Fair points. I mean, I don't blame them for aspiring to more and being proactive about it (we sure could use some of that here) and they've clearly slipped to being noncompetitive against elite teams, so that had to be addressed. But also, looking over their results, I do think they've had significantly more one-score losses than one-score wins and probably weren't far away from having a bunch of 8- or 9-win seasons instead of 6-6s & 7-5s. They probably feel that a new coach is the key to improving that but in reality what probably happened was mostly just a random aberration in luck distribution over a relatively small sample size, and now they're going to blow it all up and start over.
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(12-02-2019 02:17 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  It is important to note that Petersen, 55, said he will “recharge” and did not use the word “retire.” So...he may be available after a while "recharging."

I'm guessing another shoe is going to end up dropping there. One 7-5 season (5 losses by 26 total points) wouldn't seem to justify putting someone with 3 straight 10+-win seasons and a playoff appearance out to pasture.
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(11-25-2019 04:43 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  If Mississippi State defeats the University of Mississippi this week, I would expect that the Oxford school will be added to the list.

Disagree - I think Matt Luke has a strong vote of confidence from Mississippi admin, even if they lose this week.

I'm trying to figure out who was correct ....
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(12-02-2019 04:16 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(11-25-2019 07:15 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(11-25-2019 04:43 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  If Mississippi State defeats the University of Mississippi this week, I would expect that the Oxford school will be added to the list.

Disagree - I think Matt Luke has a strong vote of confidence from Mississippi admin, even if they lose this week.

I'm trying to figure out who was correct ....
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(12-02-2019 11:51 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wilder Resigns as Old Dominion Football Coach

Quote:... the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation, the University's fundraising organization, will buy out the last two years of Wilder's contract for $600,000 ...
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Here are the details of Greg Schiano’s historic contract to return to Rutgers


In case Rice wants to play with the bottom of the Big Boys again some day, here's a starter on what it will take in terms of increased investment:

Quote:Greg Schiano is officially Rutgers’ head football coach again, and he has landed a historic deal upon his return.

Schiano will be the highest-paid coach in university history and will be given more resources than any of his predecessors. The agreement was approved by the Board of Governors with unanimous consent Tuesday at Winants Hall in New Brunswick to cap a month-long negotiations process that broke down before both parties returned to the table last week following immense backlash from boosters, fans and lawmakers.

Salary and years: Schiano signed an eight-year, $32 million deal, but it is not fully guaranteed. He was asking for a full guarantee when talks originally fractured. The retention bonuses from the original deal - $400,000 every two years - are also out.

Schiano will make $4 million a year. If he is fired without cause at any point in the contract, he will be paid 76.875% of his remaining salary; the payout from that point will not exceed $24.6 million. Schiano’s buyout to break the contract begins at $8 million if he leaves Rutgers prior to Dec. 1, 2020, and it decreases as the contract progresses. Schiano will have a $6 million buyout in his second season, a $4 million buyout in his third, a $3 million buyout in his fourth and a $2 million buyout in his fifth. Schiano will have a $1 million buyout for the final three years of the deal.

Staff pool: Schiano’s Year 1 assistant and support staff salary pool is $7.7 million - unchanged from before. That total will increase by no less than 3% each year. Schiano has the ability to designate, hire and fire members of his staff with the consent of athletics director Pat Hobbs - that consent “shall not be withheld without reason.”

Private Jets: Rutgers and Schiano met in the middle on one of the more controversial sticking points. Schiano will be entitled to use private air transportation for recruiting purposes, according to the contract. If private funding is available, he will be able to use private air travel for other university business. If private funding is not available, Schiano is entitled to first-class tickets on commercial airlines. Schiano’s wife and immediate family are entitled to fly on team charters to all away and postseason games at no cost to him.

Facilities: The biggest change. Schiano’s original request for an out clause that would allow him to leave with no buyout penalty if Rutgers did not meet deadlines for facilities improvements has been struck.

Instead, Rutgers has acknowledged a new indoor practice facility and football operations center “would be both necessary and desirable” and has committed to developing and acquiring cost projections and conceptual designs “as soon as reasonably practicable” for recruiting and fundraising purposes. Rutgers has also agreed to move forward with facilities plans once Schiano and Hobbs can raise 50% of the projected costs in private donations. There is no timetable set for facility improvements. Early estimations indicate the projects could cost $150 million.

Relocation expenses: Rutgers will provide Schiano with temporary housing for 60 days if required, plus temporary transportation and a maximum of two flights to New Jersey for the purpose of purchasing a home. He will also receive up to $25,000 in relocation expenses.

Incentives: Here is a rundown of the incentives in Schiano’s deal:

Big Ten titles: Schiano will receive a $100,000 bonus if Rutgers wins the Big Ten East and plays in the conference title game. He will earn $200,000 if Rutgers wins the Big Ten Championship Game.

Bowl games: Schiano will earn $75,000 for a non-College Football Playoff “Group A” bowl game appearance and $75,000 for winning the bowl game. The Belk, Music City and Quick Lane Bowls (and successor games) are considered “Group A.” All other non-CFP bowl games are considered “Group B*," and Schiano earns $100,000 for appearing in one and $100,000 for winning one.

Schiano will earn $150,000 for appearing in a New Year’s Six bowl game and can earn another $150,000 for winning one. He earns $200,000 for qualifying for the College Football Playoff, $250,000 for appearing in the national title game and $350,000 for winning a national title.

Awards: Schiano is due a $100,000 bonus if he is named Big Ten coach of the year by the conference. He will receive another $100,000 if he is named national coach of the year by one of nine specific outlets named in the contract.

Final rankings: Schiano will receive a $100,000 bonus if Rutgers finishes in the final CFP Top 25 at the end of the season and $150,000 if in the top-15.

Season tickets: Schiano can earn up to $200,000 annually in season ticket sales incentives. He earns a $50,000 bonus when Rutgers crests the following sales milestones: 20,000, 24,000, 28,000 and 32,000 season tickets sold.

Academics: Schiano is due a $25,000 bonus for Rutgers having a multi-year APR of 960 or above beginning with the 2020-21 school year. He will earn an additional $25,000 if Rutgers is among the top-10 nationally in APR.

Other: Schiano will earn an annual auto stipend of $15,000 and have an annual $5,000 apparel allocation. Rutgers will pay initiation fees and monthly dues for a country club membership. Schiano will receive use of a private box or suite at all home games in addition to 20 premium-level tickets and parking passes. He will also receive 12 tickets to all road games and either a private suite or box or 24 premium-level tickets to any postseason game.

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Iowa State's Matt Campbell Agrees To Contract Extension through the 2025 season

Quote:In the past three seasons, following a 3-9 first season, Campbell has led the team to finishes of 8-5, 8-5 and currently sits at 7-5 as the Cyclones waits for their bowl destination. He is 26-24 leading the Cyclones with a ton of momentum after two straight 3rd place finishes in the Big 12. Campbell guided his 2019 team to a tie for third place in the Big 12 and a berth in a bowl game for the third season in a row. The Cyclones were 7-5 overall and appeared in the College Football Playoff rankings for the third consecutive year.
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Some coaches being mentioned as possibly to move on up (to better programs) in this latest cycle:
Air Force’s Troy Calhoun
Army’s Jeff Monken
Central Michigan’s Jim McElwain
Charlotte’s Will Healy
Louisiana Tech’s Skip Holtz
Tulane’s Willie Fritz
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(12-03-2019 05:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Here are the details of Greg Schiano’s historic contract to return to Rutgers


In case Rice wants to play with the bottom of the Big Boys again some day, here's a starter on what it will take in terms of increased investment:

Quote:Greg Schiano is officially Rutgers’ head football coach again, and he has landed a historic deal upon his return.

Schiano will be the highest-paid coach in university history and will be given more resources than any of his predecessors. The agreement was approved by the Board of Governors with unanimous consent Tuesday at Winants Hall in New Brunswick to cap a month-long negotiations process that broke down before both parties returned to the table last week following immense backlash from boosters, fans and lawmakers.

Salary and years: Schiano signed an eight-year, $32 million deal, but it is not fully guaranteed. He was asking for a full guarantee when talks originally fractured. The retention bonuses from the original deal - $400,000 every two years - are also out.

Schiano will make $4 million a year. If he is fired without cause at any point in the contract, he will be paid 76.875% of his remaining salary; the payout from that point will not exceed $24.6 million. Schiano’s buyout to break the contract begins at $8 million if he leaves Rutgers prior to Dec. 1, 2020, and it decreases as the contract progresses. Schiano will have a $6 million buyout in his second season, a $4 million buyout in his third, a $3 million buyout in his fourth and a $2 million buyout in his fifth. Schiano will have a $1 million buyout for the final three years of the deal.

Staff pool: Schiano’s Year 1 assistant and support staff salary pool is $7.7 million - unchanged from before. That total will increase by no less than 3% each year. Schiano has the ability to designate, hire and fire members of his staff with the consent of athletics director Pat Hobbs - that consent “shall not be withheld without reason.”

Private Jets: Rutgers and Schiano met in the middle on one of the more controversial sticking points. Schiano will be entitled to use private air transportation for recruiting purposes, according to the contract. If private funding is available, he will be able to use private air travel for other university business. If private funding is not available, Schiano is entitled to first-class tickets on commercial airlines. Schiano’s wife and immediate family are entitled to fly on team charters to all away and postseason games at no cost to him.

Facilities: The biggest change. Schiano’s original request for an out clause that would allow him to leave with no buyout penalty if Rutgers did not meet deadlines for facilities improvements has been struck.

Instead, Rutgers has acknowledged a new indoor practice facility and football operations center “would be both necessary and desirable” and has committed to developing and acquiring cost projections and conceptual designs “as soon as reasonably practicable” for recruiting and fundraising purposes. Rutgers has also agreed to move forward with facilities plans once Schiano and Hobbs can raise 50% of the projected costs in private donations. There is no timetable set for facility improvements. Early estimations indicate the projects could cost $150 million.

Relocation expenses: Rutgers will provide Schiano with temporary housing for 60 days if required, plus temporary transportation and a maximum of two flights to New Jersey for the purpose of purchasing a home. He will also receive up to $25,000 in relocation expenses.

Incentives: Here is a rundown of the incentives in Schiano’s deal:

Big Ten titles: Schiano will receive a $100,000 bonus if Rutgers wins the Big Ten East and plays in the conference title game. He will earn $200,000 if Rutgers wins the Big Ten Championship Game.

Bowl games: Schiano will earn $75,000 for a non-College Football Playoff “Group A” bowl game appearance and $75,000 for winning the bowl game. The Belk, Music City and Quick Lane Bowls (and successor games) are considered “Group A.” All other non-CFP bowl games are considered “Group B*," and Schiano earns $100,000 for appearing in one and $100,000 for winning one.

Schiano will earn $150,000 for appearing in a New Year’s Six bowl game and can earn another $150,000 for winning one. He earns $200,000 for qualifying for the College Football Playoff, $250,000 for appearing in the national title game and $350,000 for winning a national title.

Awards: Schiano is due a $100,000 bonus if he is named Big Ten coach of the year by the conference. He will receive another $100,000 if he is named national coach of the year by one of nine specific outlets named in the contract.

Final rankings: Schiano will receive a $100,000 bonus if Rutgers finishes in the final CFP Top 25 at the end of the season and $150,000 if in the top-15.

Season tickets: Schiano can earn up to $200,000 annually in season ticket sales incentives. He earns a $50,000 bonus when Rutgers crests the following sales milestones: 20,000, 24,000, 28,000 and 32,000 season tickets sold.

Academics: Schiano is due a $25,000 bonus for Rutgers having a multi-year APR of 960 or above beginning with the 2020-21 school year. He will earn an additional $25,000 if Rutgers is among the top-10 nationally in APR.

Other: Schiano will earn an annual auto stipend of $15,000 and have an annual $5,000 apparel allocation. Rutgers will pay initiation fees and monthly dues for a country club membership. Schiano will receive use of a private box or suite at all home games in addition to 20 premium-level tickets and parking passes. He will also receive 12 tickets to all road games and either a private suite or box or 24 premium-level tickets to any postseason game.

*who-cares-bowls

If nobody cares, why are they paying him for making/winning one?
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RE: 2019-20 College Football Coaching Carousel
(12-04-2019 10:42 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Some coaches being mentioned as possibly to move on up (to better programs) in this latest cycle:
Air Force’s Troy Calhoun
Army’s Jeff Monken
Central Michigan’s Jim McElwain
Charlotte’s Will Healy
Louisiana Tech’s Skip Holtz
Tulane’s Willie Fritz

I would think Navy's Ken Niumatalolo should be on this list if Monken is. Navy has 9 wins already with a chance for 11 (vs Army and bowl to be played). He nearly got the Arizona job before Khalil Tate threw a public fit over the prospect of running the option, baggage that Monken is going to carry, too. Air Force also frequently runs the option, but they're actually much more diverse than Army and Navy now, closer in line with Willie Fritz's scheme than any other of Paul Johnson's proteges.
12-04-2019 11:59 AM
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