(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 12:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think LSU and Ohio St are in no matter what happens next Saturday.

Clemson and Georgia are win and in no matter what.

If LSU, Ohio St, and Clemson win, then it's down to Utah, Oklahoma, and Baylor. Oklahoma has by far the better resume. They have 4 wins vs winning teams and a top 10 win. Utah has no ranked wins, and only between 3-5 wins vs winning teams(pending ASU and Cal tonight). Oklahoma has a better CCG opponent as well. I think it goes Oklahoma- and it's not really close.

That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU. So if both OU and Utah win their CCG, it would seem Utah had the advantage. Utah has the No. 3 ranked defense in the nation behind Ohio State and Clemson and No. 1 rushing defense in the nation, so they have a very good team.

The coaches on the CFP have a bias for good defense over a good offense.

(12-01-2019 04:40 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  LSU, Ohio State and Clemson are locks.

Georgia has to win. Utah and Oklahoma have to win and hope LSU wins the SEC CCG.

Probably Alabama, ND and Oregon get NY6 games along with 2 of the 3 who have to win to get in. Penn State/Wisconsin/Michigan vie for the last spots with Baylor.

I am assuming ND gets the Orange Bowl as the best of the ACC/ND available.

G5 spot goes to Memphis if they beat Cincy again in the CCG. If they lose then Boise State gets the NY6 access. App State needs to win their CCG while Boise State and Memphis lose theirs.

Hum, fairly settled.

Notre Dame will be behind Alabama and Florida. Georgia also, if they lose, so Notre Dame will have to hope to get in the Cotton Bowl. Still it will be tough to put them over Michigan who destroyed them, so they may not move up at all this week in the CFP. They will in the AP and coaches' polls.

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

(12-01-2019 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

Personally, I think the ND - ACC deal is skewed in favor of the ACC, not Notre Dame. Five games is too many for the Irish to have given up for what they get. But that's my opinion.

Hey, here's an idea - ND is 5-0 in the ACC, right? So maybe they should be declared the winners of the Coastal division (or whatever division Clemson isn't in) and play Clemson in the ACC title game?

That would be more fun to watch than Virginia.

(12-01-2019 10:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

Personally, I think the ND - ACC deal is skewed in favor of the ACC, not Notre Dame. Five games is too many for the Irish to have given up for what they get. But that's my opinion.

Hey, here's an idea - ND is 5-0 in the ACC, right? So maybe they should be declared the winners of the Coastal division (or whatever division Clemson isn't in) and play Clemson in the ACC title game?

That would be more fun to watch than Virginia.

They would be CFP or bust in bowls. They would have something like the Liberty as their backup. They get their middle of the season filled, which was getting to be a problem. They get an all sports home when the fact is nobody wanted them. MVC and BE didn't want their non-rev sports overrun by ND football money. Notre Dame was not in a good negotiating position. But at that point, neither were the ACC or Big 12. Big 12 offered them a deal with 6 games. ACC offered 5.

(12-01-2019 09:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame will be behind Alabama and Florida. Georgia also, if they lose, so Notre Dame will have to hope to get in the Cotton Bowl. Still it will be tough to put them over Michigan who destroyed them, so they may not move up at all this week in the CFP. They will in the AP and coaches' polls.

Notre Dame should be ranked ahead of Michigan. Head to head is a tie-breaker among equal records, Michigan has 3 losses to 2 for ND against a schedule that isn't any tougher.

Notre Dame should now be ahead of Minnesota as well.

Thing is though, the CFP has been very unimpressed by Notre Dame, arguably biased against the Irish. In the Massey Composite, ND was ranked #11 last week, five spots behind their #16 CFP ranking. That is easily the worst ranking relative to the CFP among the top 20 teams.

So if the pattern holds, ND will remain stuck at #16 or so.

But thing is, even if the CFP started ranking ND fairly, say around #12, it is unlikely they would get the Cotton Bowl. ND isn't going to be ranked higher than LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Florida or Auburn, and it needs to be ranked ahead of TWO of them to get into the Cotton Bowl.

So ... Camping World Bowl here they come!

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

Wait, so I am not allowed to say what I want?!?!

I'm saying, shut up, watch the game. Enjoy the team that probably 1 out of every 50 people here (maybe) has actually watched.

Notre Dame should not get the NYD bowl because ND is NOT an ACC football member. Plus, Virginia played them tough this year so I really think it's a wash between the two. UVA might be able to beat them if they played again.

(12-01-2019 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  A lot is riding on the SEC Championship Game next week but there is also drama on the other side of the country. Yes, there's an outside shot of Ohio State and Clemson stumbling. However, I think those games would have predictable ends. And I have to think that LSU might still end up with the fourth spot in case they lose. So it really comes down who among those three would get that last spot.

Both Georgia and Oklahoma have the pedigree. Utah would be the choice for supporters of the underdog. And the PAC would really push for the Utes' inclusion if they win next week.

So this is pretty simple in my opinion.

1. LSU will demolish UGA. The game will be close for maybe a half but UGA offense is too generic to hang with LSU firepower.

2. It will come down to the Baylor/OU game that will determine who get the final playoff spot.

3. I love Utah and if you simply just go by the eye test the Utes are a better overall team than OU and Baylor but unfortunately.....

4. Baylor and OU will have a better resume than Utah and while the Utes maybe an overall better team it is not that big of a talent separation between these three teams.

5. Baylor beats OU in the rematch.

So I think the final four will be:

Ohio St vs Baylor
LSU vs Clemson

Ohio St. vs Clemson for the championship and..........

Clemson will become back to back champions.

(12-01-2019 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

Wait, so I am not allowed to say what I want?!?!

I didn't say that you can't say what you want. I said that what you said was *ridiculous*, because it was.

(12-01-2019 10:23 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  So this is pretty simple in my opinion.

1. LSU will demolish UGA. The game will be close for maybe a half but UGA offense is too generic to hang with LSU firepower.

I think this is unlikely. Remember, LSU only scored 23 points against Auburn, and Georgia's defense is as good as Auburn's, arguably better.

Georgia is an extremely talented, well-coached team, and will be playing basically at home. I say the game is pretty much a 50-50 affair.

(12-01-2019 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

Wait, so I am not allowed to say what I want?!?!

I didn't say that you can't say what you want. I said that what you said was *ridiculous*, because it was.

Perhaps it was a ridiculous response to ridiculous posting.

(12-01-2019 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

I missed the part where Notre Dame (or anybody else) put a gun to the ACC's head and forced them to take Notre Dame. If the ACC wants out of the affiliation, Notre Dame will EASILY go back to join the Big East for all of their other sports.

Let's face it - Clemson is all that's prevented the ACC from becoming the old BEFC. The ACC survived by eating the Big East, but ultimately you are what you eat...

USFFan

(12-01-2019 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

I'm saying, shut up, watch the game. Enjoy the team that probably 1 out of every 50 people here (maybe) has actually watched.

Agreed

Right now Jerry Palm has Penn St. in the Orange vs. Virginia. It would not surprise me to see UVA win that game

(12-01-2019 10:44 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

I missed the part where Notre Dame (or anybody else) put a gun to the ACC's head and forced them to take Notre Dame. If the ACC wants out of the affiliation, Notre Dame will EASILY go back to join the Big East for all of their other sports.

Let's face it - Clemson is all that's prevented the ACC from becoming the old BEFC. The ACC survived by eating the Big East, but ultimately you are what you eat...

USFFan

^^^ this is garbage written by someone that can't remember past 1 season

The ACC has 3 natties by two different teams.
They have been in the playoff every year
They've had Orange Bowl wins over Michigan and Miss St

They've had a great decade, and that isn't erased by 1 season

(12-01-2019 10:44 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

I missed the part where Notre Dame (or anybody else) put a gun to the ACC's head and forced them to take Notre Dame. If the ACC wants out of the affiliation, Notre Dame will EASILY go back to join the Big East for all of their other sports.

Let's face it - Clemson is all that's prevented the ACC from becoming the old BEFC. The ACC survived by eating the Big East, but ultimately you are what you eat...

USFFan

The Big East was not enthused about Notre Dame. They don't fear ND basketball, but they do fear ND winning all the conference titles in the non-rev sports.

(12-01-2019 10:44 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Agreed

Right now Jerry Palm has Penn St. in the Orange vs. Virginia. It would not surprise me to see UVA win that game

We all know that anything can happen in a football game, but there is ZERO factual reason to think Penn State won't beat Virginia handily. Look at UVA's record:

Losses

Beaten handily by Notre Dame, 35-20

Beaten 17-9 by going nowhere 6-6 Miami team, A Miami team that would be 5-6 without their win over UVA.

Beaten 28-21 by a 7-5 Louisville team that got shellacked by Kentucky yesterday.


Wins

Two of their nine wins are against Old Dominion and William and Mary. Another is against Liberty.

Their other wins are against Pitt, Georgia Tech, FSU, VT, UNC, and Duke. Is *any* of them a good win? The best record in the bunch is over VT, now 8-4. All the other teams are 7-5, 6-6, or worse.

So there is little reason to think Penn State won't dominate them. Virginia has played a very soft schedule - their OOC schedule is awful and they played an ACC Coastal schedule and yet lost 3 games against it.

1 thing that I think is crazy is we could go into Saturday with 3 teams having guaranteed spots in the playoffs....

If Oregon beats Utah (which I expect)

LSU, Ohio St, and Clemson would be in the playoffs no matter what.

4th spot-
Georgia if they beat LSU, otherwise Big 12 title game winner.

(12-01-2019 10:55 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:44 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  People complaining about Virginia getting the Orange Bowl: shut up. Seriously, it’s the way the bowl games are structured. Plus, they are actually an exciting team to watch with an explosive QB.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Forums are meant to discuss how someone thinks things *should be* not just how they are.

I think the Orange Bowl contract should be modified such that Notre Dame can get in over an ACC team if higher ranked so long as the ACC team is not the ACC champion.

There is a precedent for this - the ACC's contract with ND says that ND is in the ACC bowl hierarchy, and that Notre Dame can actually be chosen by a lower-tier ACC bowl over an ACC team with a better record, so long as they are within one win of the ACC team being passed over. So for all the other bowls, Notre Dame can actually supplant a higher-ranked ACC team.

Of course, to be fair to the ACC, this should mean that ND is also fully-integrated into the ACC bowl hierarchy money-wise, meaning all ND bowl money goes in to the ACC pot just as it does for any other ACC team. E.g., when Notre Dame plays in a bowl outside the ACC hierarchy, like a playoff game, or this year's Cotton Bowl, ND currently gets to keep all that money, it doesn't share with the ACC.

That would have to end, so hell, maybe ND wouldn't want to take the ACC's spot in the OB and would prefer to keep the current arrangement.

But point is - ALL of this is fair game for discussion on this forum.

ACC already gives the world to Notre Dame for 5 games. If Notre Dame wants the ACC Orange bowl slot, play 8 conference games like the rest of the ACC. They already get a shot for it that nobody else does if the Big 10 and SEC don't produce enough good teams.

I missed the part where Notre Dame (or anybody else) put a gun to the ACC's head and forced them to take Notre Dame. If the ACC wants out of the affiliation, Notre Dame will EASILY go back to join the Big East for all of their other sports.

Let's face it - Clemson is all that's prevented the ACC from becoming the old BEFC. The ACC survived by eating the Big East, but ultimately you are what you eat...

USFFan

^^^ this is garbage written by someone that can't remember past 1 season

The ACC has 3 natties by two different teams.
They have been in the playoff every year
They've had Orange Bowl wins over Michigan and Miss St

They've had a great decade, and that isn't erased by 1 season

The Big East had natties, too. And strong teams. But take Clemson out of the ACC the last several years and the ACC is unequivocally the worst of the P5, and it's not close. And that includes FSU's run with Jameis before Jimbo saw the writing on the wall.

USFFan

There’s no way that Clemson makes the college football playoffs if they lose to Virginia