(11-30-2019 09:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 11:03 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Lastly, I have complete respect for UTEP's bball program and history, however strictly from a geography standpoint I hope they can find a different conference that would help out the footprint size for them and the rest of CUSA since we all face more significant budget issues at our level compared to the power conferences.

I understand that when you look at a map, El Paso is a serious outlier to the conference but for football, each east division team will make one trip to El Paso every 7th year. Basketball once every other year for most teams in the conference. Minor sports I'm not sure of. It really can't be much of an impact for the other conference schools but it probably impacts UTEP's budget more so because UTEP makes those trips every year. So I agree that for UTEP's sake financially, it makes sense to be in a more regional conference but there really isn't anything available or willing. Another solution and the easiest and quickest would be to utilize the divisions we already have. Confine in season travel to within the divisions and most travel expenses are reduced to the lowest possible level.

We have these things called airplanes now, and EP has an airport.

If WVU can be in a conference with a bunch of Texas and Oklahoma schools, this is nothing.

(11-30-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 11:03 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Lastly, I have complete respect for UTEP's bball program and history, however strictly from a geography standpoint I hope they can find a different conference that would help out the footprint size for them and the rest of CUSA since we all face more significant budget issues at our level compared to the power conferences.

I understand that when you look at a map, El Paso is a serious outlier to the conference but for football, each east division team will make one trip to El Paso every 7th year. Basketball once every other year for most teams in the conference. Minor sports I'm not sure of. It really can't be much of an impact for the other conference schools but it probably impacts UTEP's budget more so because UTEP makes those trips every year. So I agree that for UTEP's sake financially, it makes sense to be in a more regional conference but there really isn't anything available or willing. Another solution and the easiest and quickest would be to utilize the divisions we already have. Confine in season travel to within the divisions and most travel expenses are reduced to the lowest possible level.

We have these things called airplanes now, and EP has an airport.

If WVU can be in a conference with a bunch of Texas and Oklahoma schools, this is nothing.

Comparing to P5 doesn’t really help the argument. Compare WVU’s budget to UTEP’s. Without looking I will guess it’s at least fives as much. The airlines are not participating in the charter business as much so the costs are increasing quickly. The G5’s need to be geographically aligned where and when ever possible.

(11-30-2019 09:59 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 11:03 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Lastly, I have complete respect for UTEP's bball program and history, however strictly from a geography standpoint I hope they can find a different conference that would help out the footprint size for them and the rest of CUSA since we all face more significant budget issues at our level compared to the power conferences.

I understand that when you look at a map, El Paso is a serious outlier to the conference but for football, each east division team will make one trip to El Paso every 7th year. Basketball once every other year for most teams in the conference. Minor sports I'm not sure of. It really can't be much of an impact for the other conference schools but it probably impacts UTEP's budget more so because UTEP makes those trips every year. So I agree that for UTEP's sake financially, it makes sense to be in a more regional conference but there really isn't anything available or willing. Another solution and the easiest and quickest would be to utilize the divisions we already have. Confine in season travel to within the divisions and most travel expenses are reduced to the lowest possible level.

We have these things called airplanes now, and EP has an airport.

If WVU can be in a conference with a bunch of Texas and Oklahoma schools, this is nothing.

Comparing to P5 doesn’t really help the argument. Compare WVU’s budget to UTEP’s. Without looking I will guess it’s at least fives as much. The airlines are not participating in the charter business as much so the costs are increasing quickly. The G5’s need to be geographically aligned where and when ever possible.

So they can do all their travel by bus? Or are we looking for the parents to caravan in their private cars?

(11-30-2019 10:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:59 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 11:03 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Lastly, I have complete respect for UTEP's bball program and history, however strictly from a geography standpoint I hope they can find a different conference that would help out the footprint size for them and the rest of CUSA since we all face more significant budget issues at our level compared to the power conferences.

I understand that when you look at a map, El Paso is a serious outlier to the conference but for football, each east division team will make one trip to El Paso every 7th year. Basketball once every other year for most teams in the conference. Minor sports I'm not sure of. It really can't be much of an impact for the other conference schools but it probably impacts UTEP's budget more so because UTEP makes those trips every year. So I agree that for UTEP's sake financially, it makes sense to be in a more regional conference but there really isn't anything available or willing. Another solution and the easiest and quickest would be to utilize the divisions we already have. Confine in season travel to within the divisions and most travel expenses are reduced to the lowest possible level.

We have these things called airplanes now, and EP has an airport.

If WVU can be in a conference with a bunch of Texas and Oklahoma schools, this is nothing.

Comparing to P5 doesn’t really help the argument. Compare WVU’s budget to UTEP’s. Without looking I will guess it’s at least fives as much. The airlines are not participating in the charter business as much so the costs are increasing quickly. The G5’s need to be geographically aligned where and when ever possible.

So they can do all their travel by bus? Or are we looking for the parents to caravan in their private cars?

But you would agree WV would rather be in the ACC or SEC, right?

(11-30-2019 10:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:59 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 11:03 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Lastly, I have complete respect for UTEP's bball program and history, however strictly from a geography standpoint I hope they can find a different conference that would help out the footprint size for them and the rest of CUSA since we all face more significant budget issues at our level compared to the power conferences.

I understand that when you look at a map, El Paso is a serious outlier to the conference but for football, each east division team will make one trip to El Paso every 7th year. Basketball once every other year for most teams in the conference. Minor sports I'm not sure of. It really can't be much of an impact for the other conference schools but it probably impacts UTEP's budget more so because UTEP makes those trips every year. So I agree that for UTEP's sake financially, it makes sense to be in a more regional conference but there really isn't anything available or willing. Another solution and the easiest and quickest would be to utilize the divisions we already have. Confine in season travel to within the divisions and most travel expenses are reduced to the lowest possible level.

We have these things called airplanes now, and EP has an airport.

If WVU can be in a conference with a bunch of Texas and Oklahoma schools, this is nothing.

Comparing to P5 doesn’t really help the argument. Compare WVU’s budget to UTEP’s. Without looking I will guess it’s at least fives as much. The airlines are not participating in the charter business as much so the costs are increasing quickly. The G5’s need to be geographically aligned where and when ever possible.

So they can do all their travel by bus? Or are we looking for the parents to caravan in their private cars?

Brilliant comment, did you actually go to Rice?

No thanks on the regional poo. I still care about hoops.

How can we go about making this happen? Let’s come up with a hashtag to get our friends to their dream retirement home. Or some action steps. Let’s get this ball rolling

#LowlyMarshalandSouthernMisWanttoBewithAppyInTheLowlySunBelt

This is the official twitter hashtag for the movement. It is decided.

It isn't always just the distance that matters for air travel, it is total time, and some of C-USA and many of the Sun Belt schools are just difficult to get to if you are not flying charter. Some are difficult if you are flying charter. Non-direct flights and two hour bus rides after the flight make travel tough on the teams.

(11-30-2019 10:49 AM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  No thanks on the regional poo. I still care about hoops.

How can we go about making this happen? Let’s come up with a hashtag to get our friends to their dream retirement home. Or some action steps. Let’s get this ball rolling

#LowlyMarshalandSouthernMisWanttoBewithAppyInTheLowlySunBelt

This is the official twitter hashtag for the movement. It is decided.

Just pointing out that no Marshall fans have contributed to the original topic of this thread.

(11-30-2019 12:41 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 12:17 AM)banker Wrote:  I'm setting up the airport meeting with Marshall, USM, La Tech, UAB, FAU, WKU, Middle, App, Troy, Ga Southern, Ark St and Louisianna to see if we are good at 12 or if we want to invite 2 more. The other teams can prepare and submit a package if you wish to be considered.

Personally, I would just stick to those 12. I'd go Marshall, WKU, Middle, FAU, App and Ga. Southern in one division with USM, La Tech, UAB, Troy, Ark St and Louisianna in the other.

That keeps us with very limited exposure to schools outside the top 100 and creates a much more friendly conference for travel. I'll let you know when I get the ADs lined up for the meeting. Think I'll have it at CLT just for fun.

FAU comes in a package with FIU. Not one or the other. One AND the other.

Yeah, Louisville and Cincy used to say the same thing. So did Utah and BYU. You know the 2 main architects of the 1st Airport meeting.

(11-30-2019 12:17 AM)banker Wrote:  I'm setting up the airport meeting with Marshall, USM, La Tech, UAB, FAU, WKU, Middle, App, Troy, Ga Southern, Ark St and Louisianna to see if we are good at 12 or if we want to invite 2 more. The other teams can prepare and submit a package if you wish to be considered.

Personally, I would just stick to those 12. I'd go Marshall, WKU, Middle, FAU, App and Ga. Southern in one division with USM, La Tech, UAB, Troy, Ark St and Louisiana in the other.

That keeps us with very limited exposure to schools outside the top 100 and creates a much more friendly conference for travel. I'll let you know when I get the ADs lined up for the meeting. Think I'll have it at CLT just for fun.

I actually like it. HOWEVER, LA Tech recruits Texas heavily, so abandoning Texas would be detrimental to our welfare. I can't see this plan working at all for LA Tech, without at least a couple of Texas schools being involved. Sorry, I know this info kills the plan, but LA Tech recruits the state of Texas better than all CUSA & Sunbelt schools, including those located in Texas.

WVU fits well in the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas, split into 3 divisions, and you have monopolistic-like power at the top of college football.

CUSA should have never expanded to 14.

(11-30-2019 12:56 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  CUSA should have never expanded to 14.

ref: our dipshite commish....what a fk'n joke she is....

that biatch has personified the 'Peter Principle' from day one....

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
App State

Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
UAB
FAU
FIU

Troy
USM
Lamo
ULaLa
Ark State
South Alabama


Latech
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP
Texas State

(11-30-2019 12:41 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 12:17 AM)banker Wrote:  I'm setting up the airport meeting with Marshall, USM, La Tech, UAB, FAU, WKU, Middle, App, Troy, Ga Southern, Ark St and Louisianna to see if we are good at 12 or if we want to invite 2 more. The other teams can prepare and submit a package if you wish to be considered.

Personally, I would just stick to those 12. I'd go Marshall, WKU, Middle, FAU, App and Ga. Southern in one division with USM, La Tech, UAB, Troy, Ark St and Louisianna in the other.

That keeps us with very limited exposure to schools outside the top 100 and creates a much more friendly conference for travel. I'll let you know when I get the ADs lined up for the meeting. Think I'll have it at CLT just for fun.

FAU comes in a package with FIU. Not one or the other. One AND the other.

My name is THUNDERStruck73 and I HIGHLY approve this message.

(11-30-2019 01:37 PM)voss749 Wrote:  Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
App State

Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
UAB
FAU
FIU

Troy
USM
Lamo
ULaLa
Ark State
South Alabama


Latech
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP
Texas State

that's as plausible a super 'minor' conference one could design moving forward....

it's going to happen one way or the other...

Move this crap to the conference realignment board or get rid of it.

(11-30-2019 10:50 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  It isn't always just the distance that matters for air travel, it is total time, and some of C-USA and many of the Sun Belt schools are just difficult to get to if you are not flying charter. Some are difficult if you are flying charter. Non-direct flights and two hour bus rides after the flight make travel tough on the teams.

And that would not apply to any of the Texas teams or Charlotte and some others I would imagine.

(11-30-2019 02:03 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 10:50 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  It isn't always just the distance that matters for air travel, it is total time, and some of C-USA and many of the Sun Belt schools are just difficult to get to if you are not flying charter. Some are difficult if you are flying charter. Non-direct flights and two hour bus rides after the flight make travel tough on the teams.

And that would not apply to any of the Texas teams or Charlotte and some others I would imagine.

FAU used to be an air force base and also has a private airport right next to campus. After your team lands they will have to struggle through the 10 minute walk to FAU Stadium.

(11-29-2019 02:06 AM)dirtdiver Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:54 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Of course history matters. That's why every school in the Sun Belt would sprint to open the door for USM or Marshall. With the right motivation those schools would be scary good. I see a lot of big talk about potential at certain schools. Potential is History's retarded step brother. You can brag about either, but only one really matters

Spot on brother. You said it way better than I could have ever said it.

So much irony here. You're getting mad cause teams with no FBS history are kicking your ass, so you want to go to the Sun Belt where a team with no FBS history (app state) will kick your ass. Then you have this App State kid explaining how history is so important to a football program when App State has less history than WKU does.

App has trailed WKU in every achievement, FCS national championships, entering FBS, top 25 ranking, consecutive conference champions. They have always been a step behind WKU, yet you are so quick to trade CUSA for Sun Belt because the media has made App State their little darling since Michigan. We blow out an SEC team, embarrass them silly, all the talk is about Arkansas' head coach. App State barely wins over SC and the media goes wild about how they earned that win. Clear bias there, but it doesn't mean you have to suck Yosef's beanie weenie too. You're trying to trade one situation for the exact same one.

In Apps football history, they have had 68 winning seasons with a total of 628 wins to WKU's 581 wins. Apps all time winning percentage is .628 and WKU's is .587. App has won 21 conference Championships, and will be playing for another one this coming Saturday, versus WKU's 12. App has a 4-0 record in FBS bowls in 5 years in FBS, and WKU is 3-2 in FBS bowls in 11 years in FBS. App, in FCS, won 3 National Championships and WKU won 1. So, you were not paying attention in math class, because their no way WKU has a better football history than App! Maybe, you are getting confused with basketball history.