Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

Dayton v Wichita would instantly become one of the leagues best rivalries. [/u]

have WSU kick start thier football program again and add one basketball school.

(11-27-2019 09:33 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The ideal scenario is an all-sports invite.

But as we know ... the choices are limited.

So if a football only and an all-sports but football ...

I'm on record with preferring VCU and, next, Saint Louis. But Dayton would be a strong choice, too. However, would either SLU or UD want to join? They are private Catholic universities. I think VCU could be enticed.

As to the football only ... that's the challenge. IF Old Dominion could get all its other sports in the Atlantic 10 (to replace VCU in this hypothetical), I would take the Monarchs. I feel the ODU football program has strong potential (though I realize a lot of AAC fans disagree with me on this). ODU has a great fan base in both sports, has money, has a recruiting territory and has solid academics.

I was with you until you went down the rabbit hole with ODU football. CUSA bet big on potential adding unproven move up programs like ODU, Charlotte, and UTSA. All have been busts. No reason for the AAC to take over the CUSA position on those bad gambles.

The way I see it—BYU, Army, and Air Force are the three best options as “football only” adds. Any of those three paired with VCU as a non-football addition would be a near home run upgrade for the AAC. Dayton’s ok if we had to have another basketball program.....but I’d much prefer VCU and would be hesitant to add another hybrid team that is not a screaming “no brainer” addition like Wichita was.

Beyond those, most any “all sports” addition available is a huge step down from the option I outlined. We don’t have much to of a buffet to pick from. I like “stay at 11” over any other option other than the one I outlined.

Ya, add an overlapping market... brilliant.

Dayton-no. Makes no sense from any standpoint. Flyers can continue to play Fordham and St. Bonaventure and George Mason and cling to their basketball salad days of 50 years ago. They can enjoy their good attendance for what amounts to glorified high school games. Perhaps the A-10 can lure ECU away. Pirates might fit better in the A-10.

(11-27-2019 09:46 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

THe new kids will never ever believe us.... they have no idea how much of a pain in the ass those hybrid conferences can get. Id let 1 more bball school in...tops.

(11-27-2019 09:46 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

Amen!

(11-27-2019 10:54 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:46 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

THe new kids will never ever believe us.... they have no idea how much of a pain in the ass those hybrid conferences can get. Id let 1 more bball school in...tops.

Let me know when we get close to half olympics only.

Until then we have 2 members who aren't all sports and 10 who are. Even adding the most teams talked about in this thread, you are dealing with 6 members who aren't all sports. 2 football only and 4 olympic members. Last time I checked 10 is a lot more than 6. Of course being honest that's 12 football vs 4 basketball and 14 basketball vs 2 football.

The hybrid doesn't work when it's an even split or close. That isn't what we are talking about here.

Until college football becomes fundamentally unbroken, it is actually in the AAC's best interest for the next add to be basketball first.

This doesn't mean the add needs to be olympic only. SDSU works well if the AAC can pull that one off.

(11-27-2019 11:07 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Until college football becomes fundamentally unbroken, it is actually in the AAC's best interest for the next add to be basketball first.

This doesn't mean the add needs to be olympic only. SDSU works well if the AAC can pull that one off.

Boise or BYU football are the only options, if not stay where we are like the big 12 did. I am fine if we won’t to troll a bunch of them like the big 12 did as well. We are now accepting applications.

I love hot take threads.

(11-27-2019 11:07 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 10:54 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:46 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

THe new kids will never ever believe us.... they have no idea how much of a pain in the ass those hybrid conferences can get. Id let 1 more bball school in...tops.

Let me know when we get close to half olympics only.

Until then we have 2 members who aren't all sports and 10 who are. Even adding the most teams talked about in this thread, you are dealing with 6 members who aren't all sports. 2 football only and 4 olympic members. Last time I checked 10 is a lot more than 6. Of course being honest that's 12 football vs 4 basketball and 14 basketball vs 2 football.

The hybrid doesn't work when it's an even split or close. That isn't what we are talking about here.

... and basketball doestn add that much value unless the teams make a deep run in the tourney.

I just get tired of these moronic threads. Dayton is one of the dumbest ideas yet. We have Cinci. Why in the hell would we do anything to make it harder for one of our most valuable teams to win?

Also, what value is there in having a second team in basically the same market? I swear some people just dont think.


If we could land Army, id be all for VCU. Outside of that, there really is no need for us to add more basketball schools. Just not enough value there.

Stephen F Austin to the AAC.

(11-27-2019 09:46 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

I dont believe that. Sure, a 50-50 hybrid conference like the Big East could easily have issues----But if the hybrid is utilized fairly sparingly (ie--the vast majority of the conference is always made up of football playing members)--there is no reason to believe you are going to any more of an issue than you would in any other conference.

Lets say the AAC added Air Force as a football only and VCU as a non-football member. You'd have 10 "all sports" members, 2 football only members, and 2 non-football members. That conference is going to be fine. When it comes to football issues, the football playing members can out vote the non-football members 12-2. The all-sports members hold a 10-4 voting majority over hybrid members. That kind of hybrid is not going to have the same issues that the Big East had.

Frankly, if the AAC is going to be divided over issues---the schism is far more likely to lie in the differences between the private/academy schools and the public schools than anything else. So far--that hasnt been an issue as everyone seems to be on the same page.

(11-27-2019 11:26 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:07 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 10:54 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:46 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hybrid conferences don't work long term. If you don't believe the AAC will last anyway, then sure add those kinds of basketball schools. But I prefer that football drives the bus.

THe new kids will never ever believe us.... they have no idea how much of a pain in the ass those hybrid conferences can get. Id let 1 more bball school in...tops.

Let me know when we get close to half olympics only.

Until then we have 2 members who aren't all sports and 10 who are. Even adding the most teams talked about in this thread, you are dealing with 6 members who aren't all sports. 2 football only and 4 olympic members. Last time I checked 10 is a lot more than 6. Of course being honest that's 12 football vs 4 basketball and 14 basketball vs 2 football.

The hybrid doesn't work when it's an even split or close. That isn't what we are talking about here.

... and basketball doestn add that much value unless the teams make a deep run in the tourney.

I just get tired of these moronic threads. Dayton is one of the dumbest ideas yet. We have Cinci. Why in the hell would we do anything to make it harder for one of our most valuable teams to win?

Also, what value is there in having a second team in basically the same market? I swear some people just dont think.


If we could land Army, id be all for VCU. Outside of that, there really is no need for us to add more basketball schools. Just not enough value there.

Sure, except they don't cost anything, add valuable inventory, prestige, and most of the schools considered tighten up geography, open up new markets with prominent recognition, while matching historically and philosophically with the rest of the conference.

I'm fine with either Dayton or VCU as a match to a football only, or just individually. Even adding all three of VCU, Dayton, and St. Louis, which adds a ton of good inventory and still leaves 10% of the Uconn media money for the other schools to split once the noobs start getting their share.

I think BYU works all sports. CSU is the best option and a long drop after the mormons.

BYU, Army, Air Force are all viable football only options. CSU is the best option football only after them and quite a drop after them. App St just doesn't fit.

Pick one of them or all of them or some combination of them and the conference is stronger. Don't choose any of them and the conference will be stronger through continuity and the continued improvement we have seen year to year. Which is why the AD's and the conference as a whole isn't in hurry. There are lots of good choices but no perfect ones currently, they can afford to be patient and observant.

SMU and Houston were in a power conference

UConn USF and Cinci were just in the AAC predecessor

(11-27-2019 10:53 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  Dayton-no. Makes no sense from any standpoint. Flyers can continue to play Fordham and St. Bonaventure and George Mason and cling to their basketball salad days of 50 years ago. They can enjoy their good attendance for what amounts to glorified high school games. Perhaps the A-10 can lure ECU away. Pirates might fit better in the A-10.

Dayton made the elite 8 in 2014, Cinci last made it in 1996. In fact, Cinci basketball hasn't really been that relevant in the post season since the 60's outside of a few good years in the early 90's. Salad days indeed ...

(11-27-2019 10:53 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  Dayton-no. Makes no sense from any standpoint. Flyers can continue to play Fordham and St. Bonaventure and George Mason and cling to their basketball salad days of 50 years ago. They can enjoy their good attendance for what amounts to glorified high school games. Perhaps the A-10 can lure ECU away. Pirates might fit better in the A-10.

Can't argue with anything you said. Dayton is a non started for this league, but you gotta admit their fan base is absolutely ate up in support of that basketball program. They fill that building every night to watch UD play a steady diet of nobodies, and have for the last 50 years. Of course it doesn't hurt that UD Arena is a great place to watch basketball.

(11-27-2019 12:30 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 10:53 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  Dayton-no. Makes no sense from any standpoint. Flyers can continue to play Fordham and St. Bonaventure and George Mason and cling to their basketball salad days of 50 years ago. They can enjoy their good attendance for what amounts to glorified high school games. Perhaps the A-10 can lure ECU away. Pirates might fit better in the A-10.

Dayton made the elite 8 in 2014, Cinci last made it in 1996. In fact, Cinci basketball hasn't really been that relevant in the post season since the 60's outside of a few good years in the early 90's. Salad days indeed ...

One good year does not a tradition make. Cincy has been to 9 straight NCAA tournaments, along with Michigan State, Duke, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Kansas, perhaps one or two others. Cincy also has been to all but four of the last 27 NCAA tournaments, missing only after Huggins got canned and the roster was decimated. Not to mention UC having been ranked at some point in every season in the top 5 or 10 virtually every year in the last 25-30 years. That's not relevant? Neither Dayton nor, it must be noted, Wichita, have anything close to that kind of history and tradition.