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(11-24-2019 06:16 PM)blueandsilver Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:40 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:08 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 10:13 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 08:17 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  He said with everyone back next year this is a championship team.

Championship is too strong but if there isnt a mass exodus if Wilder leaves, next year team is going to be good.

For the sake of argument if Wilder is brought back, the bar for him would be 6-7 wins with the talent we have returning.

Talent wise, if everyone returns(including Kumah), will be the most talented we’ve had in a few years. The positive not from this awful season is we finally developed a couple WRs (Moore/Firz) that were nowhere near ready at the beginning of the season. We started seeing Joyner grow. Hopefully LaLa comes back healthy. Watson made strides transitioning to TB. We have no QB controversy. Everyone returns at OL except Barnett

Im fine with risking blowing it all up by firing Wilder but it is a move that could backfire. .

If I didn’t think you worked for the university before this post I’m absolutely positive of it now lol.

What an absolute joke.

I never agree with RRM, but this take is absolutely accurate.

Giles has been too pro-everything, which is fine sometimes, but to actually be able to post that BW should come back and if he doesn’t the move could back fire?!?

What would be defined as a backfire, a 0-12 record vice a 1-11 record? Time to face the obvious -- the games are no longer fun, the stadium is empty, the team sucks and it is going to be tough to gain any momentum with Wilder at the controls. He said tht the last 3 games would be an audition to demonstrate he and the staff should return -- well by my count we just saw strike 2 with the final blow going to be delivered next week -- in front of nobody.

Backfire in the sense that we are primes to be very talented the next 2 years unless kids leave due to the coaching change, which happens a lot.

I’d rather win with less talent than lose with more talent. If guys leave, so be it. I figure if Bobby stays, we win 3 games next year. And unless we keep the two assistants, we probably continue with losing seasons until BW is finally fired.

(11-24-2019 07:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 06:16 PM)blueandsilver Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:40 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:08 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 10:13 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Championship is too strong but if there isnt a mass exodus if Wilder leaves, next year team is going to be good.

For the sake of argument if Wilder is brought back, the bar for him would be 6-7 wins with the talent we have returning.

Talent wise, if everyone returns(including Kumah), will be the most talented we’ve had in a few years. The positive not from this awful season is we finally developed a couple WRs (Moore/Firz) that were nowhere near ready at the beginning of the season. We started seeing Joyner grow. Hopefully LaLa comes back healthy. Watson made strides transitioning to TB. We have no QB controversy. Everyone returns at OL except Barnett

Im fine with risking blowing it all up by firing Wilder but it is a move that could backfire. .

If I didn’t think you worked for the university before this post I’m absolutely positive of it now lol.

What an absolute joke.

I never agree with RRM, but this take is absolutely accurate.

Giles has been too pro-everything, which is fine sometimes, but to actually be able to post that BW should come back and if he doesn’t the move could back fire?!?

What would be defined as a backfire, a 0-12 record vice a 1-11 record? Time to face the obvious -- the games are no longer fun, the stadium is empty, the team sucks and it is going to be tough to gain any momentum with Wilder at the controls. He said tht the last 3 games would be an audition to demonstrate he and the staff should return -- well by my count we just saw strike 2 with the final blow going to be delivered next week -- in front of nobody.

Backfire in the sense that we are primes to be very talented the next 2 years unless kids leave due to the coaching change, which happens a lot.

This is clueless. Totally clueless.

We won’t be very good next year. We should have been pretty good last year and won 4 games. Our issues are beyond pure talent level. We need a new staff, full stop.

(11-24-2019 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  I’d rather win with less talent than lose with more talent. If guys leave, so be it. I figure if Bobby stays, we win 3 games next year. And unless we keep the two assistants, we probably continue with losing seasons until BW is finally fired.

We would win more than 3 games next year. There is tons of experienced talent that would come back.

(11-24-2019 07:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  We won’t be very good next year. We should have been pretty good last year and won 4 games. Our issues are beyond pure talent level. We need a new staff, full stop.

We should have won more than 4 games last year but we had nothing on defense outside of 2 defensive ends and inexperienced but talented linebackers. Our secondary was atrocious. And the defensive coaches were a problem.

Depending on who stays next year, we could be one of the most improved teams. Im not sure whether we find out or not because I think Bobby will be gone.

(11-24-2019 08:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  We won’t be very good next year. We should have been pretty good last year and won 4 games. Our issues are beyond pure talent level. We need a new staff, full stop.

We should have won more than 4 games last year but we had nothing on defense outside of 2 defensive ends and inexperienced but talented linebackers. Our secondary was atrocious. And the defensive coaches were a problem.

Depending on who stays next year, we could be one of the most improved teams. Im not sure whether we find out or not because I think Bobby will be gone.

No, our lack of offense - and our OL in particular was the primary problem all season. They couldn’t run block or pass protect from game 1. That was the problem all year. The defense played well at the beginning of the season and faded in the second half of the season.

Wilder’s time has come, and someone else can work out all the other details as to who else stays or goes. Selig knows if he bets on Wilder for another year and we have a repeat of this year, then he will be next. Mark my words.

(11-24-2019 08:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  We won’t be very good next year. We should have been pretty good last year and won 4 games. Our issues are beyond pure talent level. We need a new staff, full stop.

We should have won more than 4 games last year but we had nothing on defense outside of 2 defensive ends and inexperienced but talented linebackers. Our secondary was atrocious. And the defensive coaches were a problem.

Depending on who stays next year, we could be one of the most improved teams. Im not sure whether we find out or not because I think Bobby will be gone.

Very,very low bar.

Is there any point to distinquish between experience and talent? Just because a kid is a year older doesn't necessarily make him a better player. Our O line has consistently been described as slow. Does a year experience somehow make them faster?

Our biggest issues on offense have been QB and WR and the injury to Lala. Im hopeful that Moore/Fitz/Kumah makes a decent WR core. Wolfe has made strides and will likely improve next year.

Once Wolfe took over all of a sudden our pass blocking got better!

(11-24-2019 09:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our biggest issues on offense have been QB and WR and the injury to Lala. Im hopeful that Moore/Fitz/Kumah makes a decent WR core. Wolfe has made strides and will likely improve next year.

Once Wolfe took over all of a sudden our pass blocking got better!

Well....
Wolff has a classic drop back and throw. He doesn't awkwardly move around and hold on to the ball too long.
In other words, he often made the OL look better.
One only needs to look at our supposed screen passes and edge runs to see how slow our OL has been this year.

(11-24-2019 10:16 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 09:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our biggest issues on offense have been QB and WR and the injury to Lala. Im hopeful that Moore/Fitz/Kumah makes a decent WR core. Wolfe has made strides and will likely improve next year.

Once Wolfe took over all of a sudden our pass blocking got better!

Well....
Wolff has a classic drop back and throw. He doesn't awkwardly move around and hold on to the ball too long.
In other words, he often made the OL look better.
One only needs to look at our supposed screen passes and edge runs to see how slow our OL has been this year.

In general, the QB makes the OL look good or bad. Running QBs almost always make OLs pass blocking look bad because you never know what the QB is going to do. And they typically scramble out of the pocket quicker.

Bottom line offensive line play horrible and painful to watch. Brought about the downfall of the rest of the team and helped to wear our defense down. Im not sure another year of experienced offensive linemen will help. Seem to me we need a new influx of talent at those positions.

(11-24-2019 08:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  We won’t be very good next year. We should have been pretty good last year and won 4 games. Our issues are beyond pure talent level. We need a new staff, full stop.

We should have won more than 4 games last year but we had nothing on defense outside of 2 defensive ends and inexperienced but talented linebackers. Our secondary was atrocious. And the defensive coaches were a problem.

Depending on who stays next year, we could be one of the most improved teams. Im not sure whether we find out or not because I think Bobby will be gone.

The bold is on Bobby. He recruits and also delegates recruiting responsibilities to his staff - if the recruits are not good enough for FBS ball then that's ultimately on him. Additionally, if the talent is there and the coaching is bad, that also falls on BW - he hires the rest of the coaching staff.

(11-25-2019 12:19 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  We won’t be very good next year. We should have been pretty good last year and won 4 games. Our issues are beyond pure talent level. We need a new staff, full stop.

We should have won more than 4 games last year but we had nothing on defense outside of 2 defensive ends and inexperienced but talented linebackers. Our secondary was atrocious. And the defensive coaches were a problem.

Depending on who stays next year, we could be one of the most improved teams. Im not sure whether we find out or not because I think Bobby will be gone.

The bold is on Bobby. He recruits and also delegates recruiting responsibilities to his staff - if the recruits are not good enough for FBS ball then that's ultimately on him. Additionally, if the talent is there and the coaching is bad, that also falls on BW - he hires the rest of the coaching staff.

No one is saying Wilder isnt responsible.

I had some slim hope as long as our winning percentage was no worse than the Redskins !! With this weekend's results we are now certified as worse. Not sure what this means, but.........

The way this game was lost, ended any hope of Bobby returning. We were mauled by a bad team. It was horrifying to see how much Bobby has actually lost this team.

I'm not buying that another year of experience is going to magically transform this team. Especially with the current coaching staff. A turd in the punch bowl won't look better next year. It will just be older and moldier. Nobody is going to be lining up to buy that product, "Gee, great punch! Except of course for the turd floating in the middle of it."

We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.

Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.

In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.

FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).

Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.

If a high percentage of experienced, senior players automatically equates to a good season, we should have been good last year when we had a very experienced team. You can't blame this year's sub-par performance on inexperience and still give a pass to last year's awful record.

Older doesn't mean better. Either the players just aren't that good, or the coaching is inadequate, or both. We stunk last year with senior players. We stink this year with junior players. What are the constants? Coaching and recruiting.

(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.

Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.

In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.

FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).

Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.

Dumb question, but when you say "improved" are you saying that 2 wins instead of 1 next year will be an improvement? Or is it more nuanced than that? We have the full schedule next year, do you want to take you guess on how many games we would win if we kept BW and retained all players?