RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-14-2019 08:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:
(11-14-2019 07:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The question I wish someone had asked, "Do either one of you have any first-and, direct, factual evidence of any wrongful act committed by Donald Trump?"
I heard an interview with Lindsey Graham where he made an interesting point. Suppose the senate adopts rules that the federal rules of evidence will govern any senate trial. Going to be hard to make a case.
I still have two overriding questions. If a president has reason to believe that an American citizen may have committed an illegal or corrupt act in a foreign country, does such president have both the right and the duty to cause that situation to be investigated, and to request the assistance of the law enforcement of such country in such investigation? And how does that duty and that obligation change if the target of such investigation might possibly be a future political opponent?
My answers are yes and yes to the two parts of the first question, and not at all to the second. And the amount of compensation paid to totally unqualified Hunter Biden lays an ample predicate for such investigation.
I'm unsure why that isn't the current state of process...
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 09:04 AM)stinkfist Wrote:
(11-14-2019 08:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:
(11-14-2019 07:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The question I wish someone had asked, "Do either one of you have any first-and, direct, factual evidence of any wrongful act committed by Donald Trump?"
I heard an interview with Lindsey Graham where he made an interesting point. Suppose the senate adopts rules that the federal rules of evidence will govern any senate trial. Going to be hard to make a case.
I still have two overriding questions. If a president has reason to believe that an American citizen may have committed an illegal or corrupt act in a foreign country, does such president have both the right and the duty to cause that situation to be investigated, and to request the assistance of the law enforcement of such country in such investigation? And how does that duty and that obligation change if the target of such investigation might possibly be a future political opponent?
My answers are yes and yes to the two parts of the first question, and not at all to the second. And the amount of compensation paid to totally unqualified Hunter Biden lays an ample predicate for such investigation.
I'm unsure why that isn't the current state of process...
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-23-2019 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 01:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 11:14 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(11-19-2019 10:29 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Dude, he's a D congressman from CA. He's going nowhere until he decides to.
I have to agree with LeftwingTom on this one. Schiff is right in line with others from that state - Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters for example - that should have been voted out long ago for a laundry list of reasons but have not been. Pelosi's own district is an area that I visited on many occasions years ago and it was always a neat place to sight see and experience. Now it isn't anywhere that I would ever want to be. The same thing is happening in some other big cities in that state as well - ones that I have also visited many times over the years.
And I would hope you acknowledge that this is also true of R congressman from most all red states/districts as well.
What red states/districts (be specific) are you referring to that have become as bad or worse in some areas of them as 3rd world countries like large parts of Los Angeles and San Francisco have? Like large areas of downtown Portland have? Like the war zones/killing fields of Chicago have? Like the dangerous and decrepit areas of Baltimore that have recently been in the news have?
Hey LeftwingTom ...... Did you simply make yet another off the cuff silly comment with nothing to back it up? You never responded to my questions related to your post above.
Didn't see the question before as I have you on ignore...and now I know why. Nobody, including me, were making any claims about 3rd world countries, war zones, killing fields, nor decrepit areas.
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 10:24 AM)gdunn Wrote: Tom has created his own echo chamber.. Everyone is on ignore except the few libs left, because he and those posters are the only honest posters.
It's not just Tom, it's most of the D's, especially the ones in Congress. They are merely talking to themselves at this point. Glad more and more peopel have realized the impeachment nonsense for the politcal theater it is.
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 10:20 AM)gdunn Wrote:
(11-25-2019 09:04 AM)stinkfist Wrote:
(11-14-2019 08:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:
(11-14-2019 07:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The question I wish someone had asked, "Do either one of you have any first-and, direct, factual evidence of any wrongful act committed by Donald Trump?"
I heard an interview with Lindsey Graham where he made an interesting point. Suppose the senate adopts rules that the federal rules of evidence will govern any senate trial. Going to be hard to make a case.
I still have two overriding questions. If a president has reason to believe that an American citizen may have committed an illegal or corrupt act in a foreign country, does such president have both the right and the duty to cause that situation to be investigated, and to request the assistance of the law enforcement of such country in such investigation? And how does that duty and that obligation change if the target of such investigation might possibly be a future political opponent?
My answers are yes and yes to the two parts of the first question, and not at all to the second. And the amount of compensation paid to totally unqualified Hunter Biden lays an ample predicate for such investigation.
I'm unsure why that isn't the current state of process...
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
I don't know if they can stop without voting to impeach in the House.
They have whipped their base up into flames over this. I know guys that will have breakdowns if they decide not to vote. I don't know if they have that option anymore.
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 11:27 AM)Claw Wrote: I don't know if they can stop without voting to impeach in the House.
They have whipped their base up into flames over this. I know guys that will have breakdowns if they decide not to vote. I don't know if they have that option anymore.
the question has become, does Nancy pants direct the DJT districts to vote nay in a futile attempt to save face..
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 10:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(11-23-2019 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 01:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 11:14 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(11-19-2019 10:29 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: I have to agree with LeftwingTom on this one. Schiff is right in line with others from that state - Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters for example - that should have been voted out long ago for a laundry list of reasons but have not been. Pelosi's own district is an area that I visited on many occasions years ago and it was always a neat place to sight see and experience. Now it isn't anywhere that I would ever want to be. The same thing is happening in some other big cities in that state as well - ones that I have also visited many times over the years.
And I would hope you acknowledge that this is also true of R congressman from most all red states/districts as well.
What red states/districts (be specific) are you referring to that have become as bad or worse in some areas of them as 3rd world countries like large parts of Los Angeles and San Francisco have? Like large areas of downtown Portland have? Like the war zones/killing fields of Chicago have? Like the dangerous and decrepit areas of Baltimore that have recently been in the news have?
Hey LeftwingTom ...... Did you simply make yet another off the cuff silly comment with nothing to back it up? You never responded to my questions related to your post above.
Didn't see the question before as I have you on ignore...and now I know why. Nobody, including me, were making any claims about 3rd world countries, war zones, killing fields, nor decrepit areas.
Aaaaaand once again, Tom insists on 'proof' of someone else's off-the-cuff comment, and then refuses to do the same for his own
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:
(11-25-2019 10:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(11-23-2019 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 01:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 11:14 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: And I would hope you acknowledge that this is also true of R congressman from most all red states/districts as well.
What red states/districts (be specific) are you referring to that have become as bad or worse in some areas of them as 3rd world countries like large parts of Los Angeles and San Francisco have? Like large areas of downtown Portland have? Like the war zones/killing fields of Chicago have? Like the dangerous and decrepit areas of Baltimore that have recently been in the news have?
Hey LeftwingTom ...... Did you simply make yet another off the cuff silly comment with nothing to back it up? You never responded to my questions related to your post above.
Didn't see the question before as I have you on ignore...and now I know why. Nobody, including me, were making any claims about 3rd world countries, war zones, killing fields, nor decrepit areas.
Aaaaaand once again, Tom insists on 'proof' of someone else's off-the-cuff comment, and then refuses to do the same for his own
Wash.. Rinse.. Repeat.
Careful Hammy.. You'll be marked dishonest by his Highness as well.
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:
(11-25-2019 10:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(11-23-2019 11:30 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 01:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(11-19-2019 11:14 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: And I would hope you acknowledge that this is also true of R congressman from most all red states/districts as well.
What red states/districts (be specific) are you referring to that have become as bad or worse in some areas of them as 3rd world countries like large parts of Los Angeles and San Francisco have? Like large areas of downtown Portland have? Like the war zones/killing fields of Chicago have? Like the dangerous and decrepit areas of Baltimore that have recently been in the news have?
Hey LeftwingTom ...... Did you simply make yet another off the cuff silly comment with nothing to back it up? You never responded to my questions related to your post above.
Didn't see the question before as I have you on ignore...and now I know why. Nobody, including me, were making any claims about 3rd world countries, war zones, killing fields, nor decrepit areas.
Aaaaaand once again, Tom insists on 'proof' of someone else's off-the-cuff comment, and then refuses to do the same for his own
Dude, STFU! My comment was as follows:
Quote:Dude, he's a D congressman from CA. He's going nowhere until he decides to.
And he agreed with that as well. I was only commenting that Republican congressman in deep red states and districts will keep getting elected time and time again...and the numbers back that up as almost all reps win re-election.
He then went off into this tangent about crime-ridden nonsense that I was in no way commenting on or about, so I don't need to address it as I never made that claim anywhere.
I know you don't care, but stay out of arguments where you don't what the **** you're talking about.
Quote:Rule 802. The Rule Against Hearsay
Hearsay is not admissible unless any of the following provides otherwise:
a federal statute;
these rules; or
other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court.
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this day is coming soon to a senate near you....
who'd a thunk DJT would have named Biden & son, whistleblower, and shifty shiTTT as the four he wants to see appear in a senate trial....
#aceInTheirArseholeBaby
the ding-dongs don't have an out either way it plays out in the house at this point....
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I doubt it makes it to the Senate.. The Dems will stop because they believe the damage is done..
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Exactly. This farce was initiated just for the Demoncraptic voters as if it was gonna do any good. Those people have already made up their minds on whom they will vote for, and there's no Republican in that list. They will stop just prior to a vote BECAUSE they know that if it goes to then Senate they also know it would make a stop on a dime thing, i.e., it wouldn't pass muster. Another thing, do you think BullShiff wants to be investigated and made to come in front of Senate questions. He knows he and his cronies that are implicated in the Ukraine corruption and would not want to be caught lying to Congress which would come to that. BullShiff has played his cards and he doesn't even have a pair of deuces.
Quote:Rule 802. The Rule Against Hearsay
Hearsay is not admissible unless any of the following provides otherwise:
a federal statute;
these rules; or
other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court.
this day is coming soon to a senate near you....
who'd a thunk DJT would have named Biden & son, whistleblower, and shifty shiTTT as the four he wants to see appear in a senate trial....
#aceInTheirArseholeBaby
the ding-dongs don't have an out either way it plays out in the house at this point....
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I doubt it makes it to the Senate.. The Dems will stop because they believe the damage is done..
[/quote]
Exactly. This farce was initiated just for the Demoncraptic voters as if it was gonna do any good. Those people have already made up their minds on whom they will vote for, and there's no Republican in that list. They will stop just prior to a vote BECAUSE they know that if it goes to then Senate they also know it would make a stop on a dime thing, i.e., it wouldn't pass muster. Another thing, do you think BullShiff wants to be investigated and made to come in front of Senate questions. He knows he and his cronies that are implicated in the Ukraine corruption and would not want to be caught lying to Congress which would come to that. BullShiff has played his cards and he doesn't even have a pair of deuces.
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RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: This isn't a trial.
Doesn't matter. Even a regular Joe Schmo with a parking ticket gets a chance to defend himself, and call witnesses, if he so chooses.
It's called due process, and applies to all legal proceedings, even outside a trial.
And if somehow you think an impeachment inquiry shouldn't play by those rules, well, you could be a Democrat, lol.
And no, an impeachment inquiry is not a grand jury, either. It was held in public, with much fanfare. And preceded by secret hearings to vet and control witness testimony.
Yeah, that's due process, lol...and before you say he can get that in the Senate trial, I say he should get that in any proceeding that is attempting to remove him from office.
(This post was last modified: 11-25-2019 02:50 PM by TripleA.)
RE: "The clown show known as an “impeachment inquiry” is getting more comical"
(11-25-2019 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: This isn't a trial.
No it is not in the actual court of law sense - however it is a court of public opinion trial.
If congress actually does file articles of impeachment - the Senate will turn it into a trial.
IMO what Trump has done is no worse (or better) than any of the shenanigans from the people in congress who are judging him now - they all know it too.
That is why congress will never finish this by filing articles - they will then be exposed to a republican controlled narrative and that will not be good for them - any of them.
Quote:Rule 802. The Rule Against Hearsay
Hearsay is not admissible unless any of the following provides otherwise:
a federal statute;
these rules; or
other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court.
this day is coming soon to a senate near you....
who'd a thunk DJT would have named Biden & son, whistleblower, and shifty shiTTT as the four he wants to see appear in a senate trial....
#aceInTheirArseholeBaby
the ding-dongs don't have an out either way it plays out in the house at this point....
I doubt it makes it to the Senate.. The Dems will stop because they believe the damage is done..
[/quote]
Exactly. This farce was initiated just for the Demoncraptic voters as if it was gonna do any good. Those people have already made up their minds on whom they will vote for, and there's no Republican in that list. They will stop just prior to a vote BECAUSE they know that if it goes to then Senate they also know it would make a stop on a dime thing, i.e., it wouldn't pass muster. Another thing, do you think BullShiff wants to be investigated and made to come in front of Senate questions. He knows he and his cronies that are implicated in the Ukraine corruption and would not want to be caught lying to Congress which would come to that. BullShiff has played his cards and he doesn't even have a pair of deuces.
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This isn't a trial.
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It will be....and when it is all the heresay witness's are eliminated. Additionally, expect the GOP to put Bidens corruption, the Hillary/DNC 2016 Ukraine Connection, and Obama Administration spy on trial as all of those issues are closely linked to the reason Ukrainian aid was being delayed and is part of the case. Such a trial on national TV will be absolutely disastrous to Democrat 2020 presidential hopes.
Given the way polling is rapidly moving against impeachment---Im convinced that Nancy is currently looking for a way to avoid impeachment---and yet still save face. Im thinking Fisheyed Nancy will say something along the lines of "The case against Trump is obvious. However, we know impeachment is divisive and will tear the country apart. Given that we know the corrupt Republicans in the Senate will refuse to acknowledge the obvious Trump wrongdoing---and given that we are less than a year away from the next election-----we see little to gain by passing on an impeachment charge to this corrupt Republican Senate and will instead simply let the American people speak to his guilt a year from now on the first Tuesday in November."
I guarantee you, the smart Democrats do not want a Senate trial.
(This post was last modified: 11-25-2019 02:59 PM by Attackcoog.)
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