(11-06-2019 12:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 11:40 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  You are wrong about the PIs. Outside of 1-2 headscratchers, the rest were legit. There were also several that could have been called on us that weren't. We had a pretty obvious one on their 1st possession that wasn't called and ended their drive. They were flagged for one on our 2nd drive. We had 4 PIs called. They had 4 PFs called. Looks pretty even to me.

You comparing PI's to PF's? That's a new one. PI's, much like holding calls, are true judgement calls. You want to call one on any play, you can. PF's, not so much.

As you admit, 1-2 of the PIs were headscratchers. Well, that a pretty big deal - and certainly not a mole hill. Even impartial Herbstreit admitted it. We had 4 called. They had 1 called. Leave the PF's out of the discussion because that is an entirely different thing. Late hits, face masks are not judgement calls. They're pretty hard to debate.

Not to mention Proche pushed off badly on his TD. If they're calling a ticky-tack PI game, then call it consistently and pull the flag on this.

The downed punt was more than "questionable" - it was flat out wrong.

Hard to believe we have fans wanting to pick this fight of defending these refs.

My point is 15 yard penalties are 15 yard penalties. Furthermore, PI is not a "judgment call" when the defender is obviously making contact with the receiver and making no attempt to locate the ball. It will be called every time. Everyone knows this.

There were cases of push-offs on both sides. The tip toe catch by Rice was a push off for sure that wasn't called. Right or wrong, however, this is almost never called on the receiver. It's not like they were calling us for offensive PI and not them.

Sounds like the only thing that would have made you happy was for them to call 65 penalties on SMU and none on us.

(11-05-2019 03:33 AM)TigerJJ Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 11:03 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  The American has done a great job of differentiating themselves from the other G5 leagues and justifying their ‘P6’ claim. We have some great teams, and the bad teams aren’t really that bad anymore. Losing UConn will boost the quality of the conference even further.

They really need to do something about the officiating, though. I don’t necessarily feel there’s a conspiracy theory against Memphis, but I do think they’ve made some horrible calls this year that hurt the conference’s credibility.

It's not been just this year. One example is bad officiating has been a huge factor in us losing to UCF the last 3 times we have played them.

No question about it. I'm not into conspiracies, but they always seem to call the type of game that hurts our style of play.

(11-06-2019 01:59 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 11:40 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  You are wrong about the PIs. Outside of 1-2 headscratchers, the rest were legit. There were also several that could have been called on us that weren't. We had a pretty obvious one on their 1st possession that wasn't called and ended their drive. They were flagged for one on our 2nd drive. We had 4 PIs called. They had 4 PFs called. Looks pretty even to me.

You comparing PI's to PF's? That's a new one. PI's, much like holding calls, are true judgement calls. You want to call one on any play, you can. PF's, not so much.

As you admit, 1-2 of the PIs were headscratchers. Well, that a pretty big deal - and certainly not a mole hill. Even impartial Herbstreit admitted it. We had 4 called. They had 1 called. Leave the PF's out of the discussion because that is an entirely different thing. Late hits, face masks are not judgement calls. They're pretty hard to debate.

Not to mention Proche pushed off badly on his TD. If they're calling a ticky-tack PI game, then call it consistently and pull the flag on this.

The downed punt was more than "questionable" - it was flat out wrong.

Hard to believe we have fans wanting to pick this fight of defending these refs.

My point is 15 yard penalties are 15 yard penalties. Furthermore, PI is not a "judgment call" when the defender is obviously making contact with the receiver and making no attempt to locate the ball. It will be called every time. Everyone knows this.

There were cases of push-offs on both sides. The tip toe catch by Rice was a push off for sure that wasn't called. Right or wrong, however, this is almost never called on the receiver. It's not like they were calling us for offensive PI and not them.

Sounds like the only thing that would have made you happy was for them to call 65 penalties on SMU and none on us.

It is 100% a subjective judgement call. The 'no attempt to locate the ball' is totally subjective. Its not about what SMU was doing or not doing. Its a ticky tack approach to officiating a game on national TV with big ramifications for each team. Why are the refs dominating the game? Why not let the teams decide the game on the field instead of throwing flags at every opportunity? As soon as AL, Ohio State or one of the 'name' teams take the field, the rule interpretation changes and 'they are letting them play' mentality takes over. Then the excuse is 'the refs do not want to decide the game' BS. To deny it is being dishonest.

(11-06-2019 02:06 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:59 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 11:40 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  You are wrong about the PIs. Outside of 1-2 headscratchers, the rest were legit. There were also several that could have been called on us that weren't. We had a pretty obvious one on their 1st possession that wasn't called and ended their drive. They were flagged for one on our 2nd drive. We had 4 PIs called. They had 4 PFs called. Looks pretty even to me.

You comparing PI's to PF's? That's a new one. PI's, much like holding calls, are true judgement calls. You want to call one on any play, you can. PF's, not so much.

As you admit, 1-2 of the PIs were headscratchers. Well, that a pretty big deal - and certainly not a mole hill. Even impartial Herbstreit admitted it. We had 4 called. They had 1 called. Leave the PF's out of the discussion because that is an entirely different thing. Late hits, face masks are not judgement calls. They're pretty hard to debate.

Not to mention Proche pushed off badly on his TD. If they're calling a ticky-tack PI game, then call it consistently and pull the flag on this.

The downed punt was more than "questionable" - it was flat out wrong.

Hard to believe we have fans wanting to pick this fight of defending these refs.

My point is 15 yard penalties are 15 yard penalties. Furthermore, PI is not a "judgment call" when the defender is obviously making contact with the receiver and making no attempt to locate the ball. It will be called every time. Everyone knows this.

There were cases of push-offs on both sides. The tip toe catch by Rice was a push off for sure that wasn't called. Right or wrong, however, this is almost never called on the receiver. It's not like they were calling us for offensive PI and not them.

Sounds like the only thing that would have made you happy was for them to call 65 penalties on SMU and none on us.

It is 100% a subjective judgement call. The 'no attempt to locate the ball' is totally subjective. If you could not see the inconsistencies in their calls so be it.

Huh? The last time I checked none of our players have eyes in the back of their heads so it seems pretty straightforward to me. The guy is either looking back for the ball or he isn't. Most of the time it's the latter. Easy call.

(11-06-2019 02:10 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 02:06 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:59 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 11:40 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  You are wrong about the PIs. Outside of 1-2 headscratchers, the rest were legit. There were also several that could have been called on us that weren't. We had a pretty obvious one on their 1st possession that wasn't called and ended their drive. They were flagged for one on our 2nd drive. We had 4 PIs called. They had 4 PFs called. Looks pretty even to me.

You comparing PI's to PF's? That's a new one. PI's, much like holding calls, are true judgement calls. You want to call one on any play, you can. PF's, not so much.

As you admit, 1-2 of the PIs were headscratchers. Well, that a pretty big deal - and certainly not a mole hill. Even impartial Herbstreit admitted it. We had 4 called. They had 1 called. Leave the PF's out of the discussion because that is an entirely different thing. Late hits, face masks are not judgement calls. They're pretty hard to debate.

Not to mention Proche pushed off badly on his TD. If they're calling a ticky-tack PI game, then call it consistently and pull the flag on this.

The downed punt was more than "questionable" - it was flat out wrong.

Hard to believe we have fans wanting to pick this fight of defending these refs.

My point is 15 yard penalties are 15 yard penalties. Furthermore, PI is not a "judgment call" when the defender is obviously making contact with the receiver and making no attempt to locate the ball. It will be called every time. Everyone knows this.

There were cases of push-offs on both sides. The tip toe catch by Rice was a push off for sure that wasn't called. Right or wrong, however, this is almost never called on the receiver. It's not like they were calling us for offensive PI and not them.

Sounds like the only thing that would have made you happy was for them to call 65 penalties on SMU and none on us.

It is 100% a subjective judgement call. The 'no attempt to locate the ball' is totally subjective. If you could not see the inconsistencies in their calls so be it.

Huh? The last time I checked none of our players have eyes in the back of their heads so it seems pretty straightforward to me. The guy is either looking back for the ball or he isn't. Most of the time it's the latter. Easy call.

I have seen numerous plays where the guy isn't looking back but knocks the ball away by watching the receivers eyes and hands. The 'looking back' argument is not enforced consistently. Depends on who is playing.

(11-06-2019 01:59 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Sounds like the only thing that would have made you happy was for them to call 65 penalties on SMU and none on us.

Huh? All I'm asking is to know and apply the rule on the downed punt and not miss a facemask right in front of your eyes.

The other PI, holding stuff can be debated all day long. If that was the only disparity, then we could complain once and move on. However, when you combine that inconsistency/disparity with the aforementioned facemask and bogus downed punt, then you have a real problem.

You want to be in the .001% of the nation defending the refs from Saturday, go ahead. But don't try to make my position the ridiculous one.

(11-06-2019 02:22 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I have seen numerous plays where the guy isn't looking back but knocks the ball away by watching the receivers eyes and hands. The 'looking back' argument is not enforced consistently. Depends on who is playing.

Exactly. Looking back is more of an NFL thing. In college, it's irrelevant - it's supposed to be all about the contact - whether face guarding or playing the ball.

uskjtc02, 100%!

(11-06-2019 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 02:22 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I have seen numerous plays where the guy isn't looking back but knocks the ball away by watching the receivers eyes and hands. The 'looking back' argument is not enforced consistently. Depends on who is playing.

Exactly. Looking back is more of an NFL thing. In college, it's irrelevant - it's supposed to be all about the contact - whether face guarding or playing the ball.

It's not irrelevant because this is how they are enforcing the rule. They will allow some contact as long as the defender is making an attempt on the ball or, at the very least, looking back for it. If the defender is not doing either of these and grabbing the receiver, they will throw the flag every time.

If you really want it to be all about the contact, then be prepared for it to be a flag fest because there is contact on every play.