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RE: Florida State fires Willie Taggart
(11-04-2019 08:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 08:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 08:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
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(11-04-2019 07:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I hate FSU? Since when?


If your football knowledge is anything like your ability to read a poster's intentions you don't know jack **** about football.

Well I called Taggart getting fired after losing to Miami, so I must know something lol

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. Just like stupid posters get something right every now and then.

I was right because it was the right thing to do. Obviously a lot of people with a lot of money agreed with me

I didn't want Taggart to fail, I liked him a lot. I wanted him to succeed

But it's obvious he didn't have what FSU needs

Like I asked earlier...Miami has Oline issues, Miami has QB issues, how did they beat FSU? No one wanted to answer that lol

Taggart wasn't conquering the issues, the issues were conquering him

Miami was a continuity hire, and while they have OL problems their OL isn't anywhere near as bad as FSU's OL, and their QB situation is better as well. The only OL situations in the ACC worse than FSU are at GT and Syracuse.


And we'll never know if Taggart had what it took to fix FSU because he didn't get the chance since FSU went all Tennessee on him.

His biggest mistake was selling 2018 as a quick reload when anyone who followed FSU knew it was 2-3 year rebuild at best. Once he promised that, people were expecting 10+ wins when the roster was closer to 7-8 if they had no key injuries to the LB and Oline.
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RE: Florida State fires Willie Taggart
Taggart was a dead man walking. His comments earlier in the year about the lack of proper conditioning for his team was proof positive this was amateur hour.

It was a bad idea to snag him from Oregon and now FSU must pay the price for it.

It looks bad to fire a guy in his 2nd season, but there was no reason to think it was going to turn around. I think it's dubious that they are on the brink of hiring Bob Stoops, but I could be wrong...who knows. Either way, FSU needed to start from scratch.

Frankly, they are in too weak a conference for even a mediocre coach not to win 8-9 games a year. When you combine that with the pressure of in-state rivals, the SEC in general, and a preeminent Clemson program; Florida State could not stand pat.

Their next direction might not improve the situation, but they had to try.
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Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.

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(11-05-2019 11:38 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Taggart was a dead man walking. His comments earlier in the year about the lack of proper conditioning for his team was proof positive this was amateur hour.

It was a bad idea to snag him from Oregon and now FSU must pay the price for it.

It looks bad to fire a guy in his 2nd season, but there was no reason to think it was going to turn around. I think it's dubious that they are on the brink of hiring Bob Stoops, but I could be wrong...who knows. Either way, FSU needed to start from scratch.

Frankly, they are in too weak a conference for even a mediocre coach not to win 8-9 games a year. When you combine that with the pressure of in-state rivals, the SEC in general, and a preeminent Clemson program; Florida State could not stand pat.

Their next direction might not improve the situation, but they had to try.

Yep, Bob Stoops, like Urban Meyer, will only come back in to coach a very high profile school that needs a little fixing up, not an entire renovation. And so far, unlike Urban, Stoops has shown little real interest in doing even that.

When he stepped away from OU his reasons were the age at which his father died, and a desire to spend time with his family. I'd say that Mark Stoops is the likelier candidate.

It's one thing to head to USC if you are Urban, and enjoy the big lights, and bask in the history of a storied program that is almost 2 decades past its last glory. Urban has nowhere to go but up and all the press and exposure in the world to sell his efforts for him.

It's quite another to go to another program, less than 10 years since its prior glory and rebuild from scratch in a place where the competition for news time and players is massive. USC is the premier program in California, and many would say the all time premier program in the PAC12, and competition there is down. Florida State is the #2 program in the state of Florida, was only famous because of one coach, Bobby Bowden, and competes for airtime, and athletes with the most successful programs in the nation and does that on a daily basis. What's more they aren't even the premier football program of the ACC anymore, Clemson is.

Florida State is a great brand and that will work for them, but not like USC's brand works for them when in the hands of a proven coach.

Urban will have the luxury of nowhere to go but up and the patience of the locals to get there, and the added blessing that USC has not lost support from donors in spite of languishing in the wilderness since 2004.

Florida State is trying to hold onto donor involvement, trying to keep itself at the top in a state with 2 arch rivals and 2 growing programs one of which has more recent success than they do. And if there isn't immediate improvement the tenure of the next head man might be as short as this one's was.

My sense is that there isn't a top coach out there to take it and my proof is that if there was, they wouldn't have hired Taggert in the first place.

And then there's Mullin. Florida finally has hired a competent guy to coach their football team. The recruiting advantage has shifted to the Gators and it's going to be hard to get it back.
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(11-05-2019 11:38 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Taggart was a dead man walking. His comments earlier in the year about the lack of proper conditioning for his team was proof positive this was amateur hour.

It was a bad idea to snag him from Oregon and now FSU must pay the price for it.

It looks bad to fire a guy in his 2nd season, but there was no reason to think it was going to turn around. I think it's dubious that they are on the brink of hiring Bob Stoops, but I could be wrong...who knows. Either way, FSU needed to start from scratch.

Frankly, they are in too weak a conference for even a mediocre coach not to win 8-9 games a year. When you combine that with the pressure of in-state rivals, the SEC in general, and a preeminent Clemson program; Florida State could not stand pat.

Their next direction might not improve the situation, but they had to try.

Agreed

The conditioning thing for me was a HUGE red flag

I was trying to find an article on it to cite on here
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(11-05-2019 11:38 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Taggart was a dead man walking. His comments earlier in the year about the lack of proper conditioning for his team was proof positive this was amateur hour.

It was very surprising, to say the least, that an FSU team with players born and bred in the Florida heat wilted in the second half vs Boise, while the Boise team from the cold northwest did not.

Still, we all know that the program was in poor shape now, the issue is whether WT should have had more time to turn it around. Firing him right now, in week 9, seems precipitous, unless FSU has come to terms with a name-brand winner like a Stoops that they want to install ASAP for recruiting crunch time. But if they haven't, and are just casting about right now making offers, then this smacks of the same impetuous decision making that got them here to begin with.
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I can't help but wonder if FSU has Scott Satterfield on their list.
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(11-05-2019 12:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:38 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Taggart was a dead man walking. His comments earlier in the year about the lack of proper conditioning for his team was proof positive this was amateur hour.

It was very surprising, to say the least, that an FSU team with players born and bred in the Florida heat wilted in the second half vs Boise, while the Boise team from the cold northwest did not.

Still, we all know that the program was in poor shape now, the issue is whether WT should have had more time to turn it around. Firing him right now, in week 9, seems precipitous, unless FSU has come to terms with a name-brand winner like a Stoops that they want to install ASAP for recruiting crunch time. But if they haven't, and are just casting about right now making offers, then this smacks of the same impetuous decision making that got them here to begin with.

I disagree on these grounds...

If you don't have someone lined up then you need time to get your ducks in a row. Plenty of coaches are fired early these days simply so the AD and company can go about openly searching for someone without going behind someone's back more than necessary.

So what I contend is there was no reason to keep Taggart. They knew they were going to fire him so you might as well do it now and get ready for what's next.

I can see where someone might say he didn't have enough time. Part of the reason coaches don't get as much time as they used to is because of the money involved. In the old days, you might as well give a guy time to build a program. Now? You're paying him millions of dollars a year for his expertise. If he's not providing a return then you have to move on.

We have to remember a lot of this money comes from donations. That means people are voluntarily supporting their favorite program and they can stop anytime. If it was a simple profit/loss equation then maybe you look at things differently, but FSU's money stream is not guaranteed simply from ticket sales and TV money.

Honestly, I'm not sure why they hired him in the first place. His time at South Florida wasn't particularly spectacular. I get that he's from the region and knows how to recruit Florida. Well...a lot of coaches have worked in FL. What's so special about that?

He had one season at Oregon and I think he had 6 wins and let's not forget there were issues with the conditioning coach up there. That should have been a red flag.
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(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

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(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

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Norvell would be a great get for FSU at this point.
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(11-05-2019 01:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

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Norvell would be a great get for FSU at this point.

I don't disagree, but if the fans have been promised a guy who's actually won a national championship, Mike Norvell's going to fall awfully short...

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(11-05-2019 04:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

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Norvell would be a great get for FSU at this point.

I don't disagree, but if the fans have been promised a guy who's actually won a national championship, Mike Norvell's going to fall awfully short...

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Gene Chizik anyone? He has a Natty and might want the job.
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(11-05-2019 05:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 04:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

USFFan

Norvell would be a great get for FSU at this point.

I don't disagree, but if the fans have been promised a guy who's actually won a national championship, Mike Norvell's going to fall awfully short...

USFFan

Gene Chizik anyone? He has a Natty and might want the job.

He needs a Cam Newton though.
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(11-05-2019 05:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 05:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 04:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

USFFan

Norvell would be a great get for FSU at this point.

I don't disagree, but if the fans have been promised a guy who's actually won a national championship, Mike Norvell's going to fall awfully short...

USFFan

Gene Chizik anyone? He has a Natty and might want the job.

He needs a Cam Newton though.
Nah, Gene needs a bag man!
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(11-05-2019 05:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 04:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

USFFan

Norvell would be a great get for FSU at this point.

I don't disagree, but if the fans have been promised a guy who's actually won a national championship, Mike Norvell's going to fall awfully short...

USFFan

Gene Chizik anyone? He has a Natty and might want the job.

That’s who I’d advocate for. Tommy Bowden as the OC.
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RE: Florida State fires Willie Taggart
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

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They should just hire Leavitt as HC and call it a day.
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RE: Florida State fires Willie Taggart
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

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Case in point...



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RE: Florida State fires Willie Taggart
(11-06-2019 10:19 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 01:26 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 11:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Pump the brakes on Stoops to FSU.


What a blunder. If you're going to leak Stoops to your job, you sure better deliver on it. Now if he doesn't come, trying to sell boosters and fans on just about any other candidate is going to be an uphill battle. Fans are going to have the opinion of "why should I be excited about Mike Norvell - we wanted Bob Stoops?!?!"

USFFan

Case in point...



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Fleck is a 10 win coach at FSU. There are a LOT of undervalued guys that would do wonders at FSU.

Hell, give Willie Fritz (who reaches bowl games at freaking Tulane) the ACC resources of an FSU and watch him go...
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