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(11-02-2019 08:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

Fine in the context of the post subject. They would not be better off in either CUSA/SBC or some mishmash...which goes for other AAC schools as well. Their numbers would look better in that they’d be leading either league, but ECU isn’t going to make more money outside the AAC. For many G5s 35k+ would be a banner, if not historic, year. They’ve got a good base that hasn’t given up on them. All they need is to start winning. Their “floor” is a lot higher than most G5s. Of course, this is just my opinion.

Well, I thought we were talking about football, not the whole athletic program. Obviously, ECU will make a lot more money as an athletic program in the AAC than in CUSA.

But the football program is worse off in the AAC. Attendance is way down, by well over 10,000 fans in the stands, and even adjusting for competition, the team is worse. E.g., I just did a random comparison of two years, 2017 in the AAC and 2012 in CUSA. The computers say 2012 ECU was the #75 team, the 2017 team was the #109 team. In five years in the AAC, East Carolina has gone to one bowl game and lost it. Their last five years in CUSA, they went to four bowl games and won two.

In CUSA they didn't make any money but the fans were happy, they won games, and even went to and won bowl games. None of that is happening in the AAC.

Withering .....

As a Memphis follower, I never count anyone out. Heck, I’m hoping to spot a “Tommy West was right” gameday sign.

The turnout at Gameday in Memphis looks fantastic. Good idea to stage it on Beale Street.

I saw snippets on social media. Looked cold and like a good time was had by all! I read where the bars have to close by city ordinance. So, they closed at 4:00am and opened back up at 4:01. 04-cheers
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(11-04-2019 04:27 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 08:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 01:12 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Fine in the context of the post subject. They would not be better off in either CUSA/SBC or some mishmash...which goes for other AAC schools as well. Their numbers would look better in that they’d be leading either league, but ECU isn’t going to make more money outside the AAC. For many G5s 35k+ would be a banner, if not historic, year. They’ve got a good base that hasn’t given up on them. All they need is to start winning. Their “floor” is a lot higher than most G5s. Of course, this is just my opinion.

Well, I thought we were talking about football, not the whole athletic program. Obviously, ECU will make a lot more money as an athletic program in the AAC than in CUSA.

But the football program is worse off in the AAC. Attendance is way down, by well over 10,000 fans in the stands, and even adjusting for competition, the team is worse. E.g., I just did a random comparison of two years, 2017 in the AAC and 2012 in CUSA. The computers say 2012 ECU was the #75 team, the 2017 team was the #109 team. In five years in the AAC, East Carolina has gone to one bowl game and lost it. Their last five years in CUSA, they went to four bowl games and won two.

In CUSA they didn't make any money but the fans were happy, they won games, and even went to and won bowl games. None of that is happening in the AAC.

Withering .....

As a Memphis follower, I never count anyone out. Heck, I’m hoping to spot a “Tommy West was right” gameday sign.

The turnout at Gameday in Memphis looks fantastic. Good idea to stage it on Beale Street.

I saw snippets on social media. Looked cold and like a good time was had by all! I read where the bars have to close by city ordinance. So, they closed at 4:00am and opened back up at 4:01. 04-cheers

... and, it was the funniest Corso headgear selection ever. Awesome:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1190661318371471360
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(11-04-2019 11:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:03 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I bet the AAC could get San Diego St if they wanted.

They were very excited about that potential Big East-Big West Combo and were still trying to make it work after Boise bailed.

Throw in the even wider pay gap between the AAC and the MWC and the cost savings gained by joining the Big West bus league and they could very well take the offer this time

I think both sides saw SDSU wouldnt work as a single ultra-outlier in an largely eastern US conference. The intent when Boise and SDSU were brought in was to build a western wing with 3 or 4 western members who, along with SMU and Houston---would form a reasonable western division. When that didnt pan out, it became clear that SDSU was better off as a full MW member rather than as a "football only" Big East member with their olympic sports in the far less prestigious Big West.

I think this time around any western adds outside of Air Force or BYU should be full all-sports additions. I doubt any MW school would consider a football only membership becasue the olympic options outside of the MW are not great. Thats why I see AF, Colorado St, and maybe New Mexico as the only geographically viable locations at this time (and even they are a bit of a stretch). So, if the AAC has to add a 12th, its probably one of those 3 MW schools---or one of the less "move up ready" eastern options. Frankly, if the rule change doesnt happen---I think the AAC would be better off just dealing with uneven divisions for a few years until an obvious choice for #12 becomes apparent.

Question is, why didn't it work? At that time BYU could've joined (with the Big East/AAC still remaining a BCS/P6), but obviously that didn't pan out and the AAC was ultimately demoted to one of the G5s. Would Boise & SDSU remained had we built a western wing that possibly included 2 other solid western members? My inclination is no, because once the BCS AQ label disappeared, and the TV money didn't look any better there was no advantage to Boise and SDSU joining (which until 2020, that probably is correct). With the new TV contract looming, would it be something to consider again? Possibly... but not without true P6 status IMO. If the AAC could secure a contract with a NY6 bowl... then I think you would see Boise, BYU, SDSU all be willing to join.
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(11-04-2019 05:04 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:03 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I bet the AAC could get San Diego St if they wanted.

They were very excited about that potential Big East-Big West Combo and were still trying to make it work after Boise bailed.

Throw in the even wider pay gap between the AAC and the MWC and the cost savings gained by joining the Big West bus league and they could very well take the offer this time

I think both sides saw SDSU wouldnt work as a single ultra-outlier in an largely eastern US conference. The intent when Boise and SDSU were brought in was to build a western wing with 3 or 4 western members who, along with SMU and Houston---would form a reasonable western division. When that didnt pan out, it became clear that SDSU was better off as a full MW member rather than as a "football only" Big East member with their olympic sports in the far less prestigious Big West.

I think this time around any western adds outside of Air Force or BYU should be full all-sports additions. I doubt any MW school would consider a football only membership becasue the olympic options outside of the MW are not great. Thats why I see AF, Colorado St, and maybe New Mexico as the only geographically viable locations at this time (and even they are a bit of a stretch). So, if the AAC has to add a 12th, its probably one of those 3 MW schools---or one of the less "move up ready" eastern options. Frankly, if the rule change doesnt happen---I think the AAC would be better off just dealing with uneven divisions for a few years until an obvious choice for #12 becomes apparent.

Question is, why didn't it work? At that time BYU could've joined (with the Big East/AAC still remaining a BCS/P6), but obviously that didn't pan out and the AAC was ultimately demoted to one of the G5s. Would Boise & SDSU remained had we built a western wing that possibly included 2 other solid western members? My inclination is no, because once the BCS AQ label disappeared, and the TV money didn't look any better there was no advantage to Boise and SDSU joining (which until 2020, that probably is correct). With the new TV contract looming, would it be something to consider again? Possibly... but not without true P6 status IMO. If the AAC could secure a contract with a NY6 bowl... then I think you would see Boise, BYU, SDSU all be willing to join.

If the AAC signed a NY6 bowl contract, why do you then let others in to free load? If AAC got a bowl contract, there is no need to suddenly share with BYU or BSU.... since they had no part of building up the conference or getting it the status. They would not anything at that point.
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(11-04-2019 10:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  ACC stability is not in the Big Ten's interest. Plus, the Big Ten is not in favor of anything that would make it more palatable for ND to join the ACC in full.

But the ACC is stable and I'm 99% sure ND would have no interest in joining the Big 10 if that situation ever presented itself.

Stable in the short term, but perhaps not in the long term. Also, read my entire comment, not just the part you quoted.
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(11-04-2019 05:47 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:17 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 10:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  ACC stability is not in the Big Ten's interest. Plus, the Big Ten is not in favor of anything that would make it more palatable for ND to join the ACC in full.

But the ACC is stable and I'm 99% sure ND would have no interest in joining the Big 10 if that situation ever presented itself.

Stable in the short term, but perhaps not in the long term. Also, read my entire comment, not just the part you quoted.


If by short term, you mean through 2035-36, then you're right.

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(11-04-2019 05:47 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:17 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 10:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  ACC stability is not in the Big Ten's interest. Plus, the Big Ten is not in favor of anything that would make it more palatable for ND to join the ACC in full.

But the ACC is stable and I'm 99% sure ND would have no interest in joining the Big 10 if that situation ever presented itself.

Stable in the short term, but perhaps not in the long term. Also, read my entire comment, not just the part you quoted.


If by short term, you mean through 2035-36, then you're right.

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Yes, until close to then anyway. I figure 2 decades is long term.
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Yeah, so no Army. No BYU.

I’m 100% sure he’s not referring to UMass and Liberty, because both would jump in a second.
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(11-04-2019 05:04 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:03 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I bet the AAC could get San Diego St if they wanted.

They were very excited about that potential Big East-Big West Combo and were still trying to make it work after Boise bailed.

Throw in the even wider pay gap between the AAC and the MWC and the cost savings gained by joining the Big West bus league and they could very well take the offer this time

I think both sides saw SDSU wouldnt work as a single ultra-outlier in an largely eastern US conference. The intent when Boise and SDSU were brought in was to build a western wing with 3 or 4 western members who, along with SMU and Houston---would form a reasonable western division. When that didnt pan out, it became clear that SDSU was better off as a full MW member rather than as a "football only" Big East member with their olympic sports in the far less prestigious Big West.

I think this time around any western adds outside of Air Force or BYU should be full all-sports additions. I doubt any MW school would consider a football only membership becasue the olympic options outside of the MW are not great. Thats why I see AF, Colorado St, and maybe New Mexico as the only geographically viable locations at this time (and even they are a bit of a stretch). So, if the AAC has to add a 12th, its probably one of those 3 MW schools---or one of the less "move up ready" eastern options. Frankly, if the rule change doesnt happen---I think the AAC would be better off just dealing with uneven divisions for a few years until an obvious choice for #12 becomes apparent.

Question is, why didn't it work? At that time BYU could've joined (with the Big East/AAC still remaining a BCS/P6), but obviously that didn't pan out and the AAC was ultimately demoted to one of the G5s. Would Boise & SDSU remained had we built a western wing that possibly included 2 other solid western members? My inclination is no, because once the BCS AQ label disappeared, and the TV money didn't look any better there was no advantage to Boise and SDSU joining (which until 2020, that probably is correct). With the new TV contract looming, would it be something to consider again? Possibly... but not without true P6 status IMO. If the AAC could secure a contract with a NY6 bowl... then I think you would see Boise, BYU, SDSU all be willing to join.

The thing is, everyone had a good idea that the Big East was a lame duck as far as BCS status by summer of 2012. It was locked into place by early November of 2012.

Boise and SDSU were still willing to stay the course provided the money panned out (needed to be in the 4-5 million range) and as long as a few more western teams were added. Neither of those two things happened---so the western wing fell apart. To be fair, much of the reason things cam unwound is that the "football only" required the western teams to throw their olympic sports into lesser leagues (Big West, WAC, or whatever they could find). Boise was having to pay $900K a year in travel subsidies just to take a step down as a Big West member.

With the money being in place--those eastern most teams could potentially become full members without having to step down in class or without a huge change in costs. Sure travel costs might rise a bit---but it wouldnt be massive. However, for those schools that are farther west like Boise, BYU, SDSU, or Fresno---they are so far west its hard to see how a "all sports" invite could work.
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(11-04-2019 08:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:04 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:03 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I bet the AAC could get San Diego St if they wanted.

They were very excited about that potential Big East-Big West Combo and were still trying to make it work after Boise bailed.

Throw in the even wider pay gap between the AAC and the MWC and the cost savings gained by joining the Big West bus league and they could very well take the offer this time

I think both sides saw SDSU wouldnt work as a single ultra-outlier in an largely eastern US conference. The intent when Boise and SDSU were brought in was to build a western wing with 3 or 4 western members who, along with SMU and Houston---would form a reasonable western division. When that didnt pan out, it became clear that SDSU was better off as a full MW member rather than as a "football only" Big East member with their olympic sports in the far less prestigious Big West.

I think this time around any western adds outside of Air Force or BYU should be full all-sports additions. I doubt any MW school would consider a football only membership becasue the olympic options outside of the MW are not great. Thats why I see AF, Colorado St, and maybe New Mexico as the only geographically viable locations at this time (and even they are a bit of a stretch). So, if the AAC has to add a 12th, its probably one of those 3 MW schools---or one of the less "move up ready" eastern options. Frankly, if the rule change doesnt happen---I think the AAC would be better off just dealing with uneven divisions for a few years until an obvious choice for #12 becomes apparent.

Question is, why didn't it work? At that time BYU could've joined (with the Big East/AAC still remaining a BCS/P6), but obviously that didn't pan out and the AAC was ultimately demoted to one of the G5s. Would Boise & SDSU remained had we built a western wing that possibly included 2 other solid western members? My inclination is no, because once the BCS AQ label disappeared, and the TV money didn't look any better there was no advantage to Boise and SDSU joining (which until 2020, that probably is correct). With the new TV contract looming, would it be something to consider again? Possibly... but not without true P6 status IMO. If the AAC could secure a contract with a NY6 bowl... then I think you would see Boise, BYU, SDSU all be willing to join.

The thing is, everyone had a good idea that the Big East was a lame duck as far as BCS status by summer of 2012. It was locked into place by early November of 2012.

Boise and SDSU were still willing to stay the course provided the money panned out (needed to be in the 4-5 million range) and as long as a few more western teams were added.

I think the money needed to be more in the $8m to $10m range to keep Boise and SDSU, particularly Boise. That was the number that was bandied about at the time.

Also, the loss of AQ status was big as well. That took away a lot of their motivation to join. Once that was gone, and as you say by summer 2012 it was apparent it was going, their desire dissipated and it became more grudging, about money only.
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(11-04-2019 05:53 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:47 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:17 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 10:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  ACC stability is not in the Big Ten's interest. Plus, the Big Ten is not in favor of anything that would make it more palatable for ND to join the ACC in full.

But the ACC is stable and I'm 99% sure ND would have no interest in joining the Big 10 if that situation ever presented itself.

Stable in the short term, but perhaps not in the long term. Also, read my entire comment, not just the part you quoted.


If by short term, you mean through 2035-36, then you're right.

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(11-04-2019 06:04 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:53 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 05:47 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 11:17 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 10:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  ACC stability is not in the Big Ten's interest. Plus, the Big Ten is not in favor of anything that would make it more palatable for ND to join the ACC in full.

But the ACC is stable and I'm 99% sure ND would have no interest in joining the Big 10 if that situation ever presented itself.

Stable in the short term, but perhaps not in the long term. Also, read my entire comment, not just the part you quoted.


If by short term, you mean through 2035-36, then you're right.

07-coffee3

Yes, until close to then anyway. I figure 2 decades is long term.

Its 3 years short of 2 decades though. Odd distinction to make
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Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
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(12-12-2019 05:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
No thanks, would rather add a quality MWC team.
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Unless something on the level of a supernova happens, the only conferences that are truly stable are the Big Ten and SEC and maybe Pac-12 thanks to geography. Oh and the Ivy League by choice.
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(12-12-2019 05:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
No thanks, would rather add a quality MWC team.

Of course!
I’m assuming they aren’t coming.
(If MWC schools are interested then of course take any number of them)
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(12-12-2019 05:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
No thanks, would rather add a quality MWC team.
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(12-12-2019 06:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 05:24 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 05:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
No thanks, would rather add a quality MWC team.

Of course!
I’m assuming they aren’t coming.
(If MWC schools are interested then of course take any number of them)
Narrator: They're not.

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(12-12-2019 06:37 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 05:24 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 05:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
No thanks, would rather add a quality MWC team.

Of course!
I’m assuming they aren’t coming.
(If MWC schools are interested then of course take any number of them)
Narrator: They're not.

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Strangely—-It’s mid-December and still no MW TV deal.....hmmmm
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(12-12-2019 06:37 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 05:24 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 05:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Throw UAB in the AAC East if ESPN will allow the 7 mil a year TV deal to stand.
No thanks, would rather add a quality MWC team.

Of course!
I’m assuming they aren’t coming.
(If MWC schools are interested then of course take any number of them)
Narrator: They're not.

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There's rumors that CSU and UNM already reached out, and the MWC TV deal is taking a LONG time to materialize, so I wouldn't be too sure about that.
12-12-2019 08:40 PM
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