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(10-31-2019 10:12 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Just my two cents but I believe mass media has had the effect of concentrating fandom among a few perennial winners that have massive media appeal while less successful programs that none the less had strong loyal local followings within their area have seen their fan bases dwindle.

The cost of attending live sporting events is also resulting in a lot of folks watching from their couch.

It has always been like this. No? Growing up I wasn’t a big college football fan but I knew about Notre Dame, Miami, Nebraska, Florida St, Texas and Alabama, USC. They were on TV, newspapers, magazine covers and their players were Heisman winners.

I also knew about the WAC, since I followed UTEP. Even then, I knew there were huge differences between that conference and say the Big 8. 80s BYU was a bit before my time. Media money, level of players, coaches, stadiums, national brand, etc.
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(10-26-2019 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 09:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 04:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, from a money POV the AAC is in one sense a "tweener" league, in that its money is clearly above that of the other G5 conferences. There's no doubt that $7m a year is a lot more than $1m or $2m a year.

But, since the lowest P5 is getting about $25m now, that means if the other G4 are San Francisco and the P5 are New York City, the AAC is about at Salt Lake City, far closer to the G side than the P side.

The AAC teams will be getting close to 8mil once they split UCONN's share that ESPN seems to be okay with.

I guess that is still Salt Lake City, maybe its suburbs, lol. And what makes you think ESPN isn't deducting UConn's share?

Because they haven't deducted it yet. That means it'll never happen. ESPN is altruistic.

The contract doesn't go into effect for about 9 months.

I thought I read that the contract doesn't adjust unless TWO teams leave. It's not about altruism at all. If they could cut the deal, they would.

ESPN may also tell the AAC to do what the Big XII did - and add no one.
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(11-01-2019 09:34 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 09:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  The AAC teams will be getting close to 8mil once they split UCONN's share that ESPN seems to be okay with.

I guess that is still Salt Lake City, maybe its suburbs, lol. And what makes you think ESPN isn't deducting UConn's share?

Because they haven't deducted it yet. That means it'll never happen. ESPN is altruistic.

The contract doesn't go into effect for about 9 months.

I thought I read that the contract doesn't adjust unless TWO teams leave. It's not about altruism at all. If they could cut the deal, they would.

ESPN may also tell the AAC to do what the Big XII did - and add no one.

I recall that Sports Business Journal said ESPN could renegotiate with UConn leaving.

Bottom line is, nobody will know for sure until the contract kicks in next July, and then we will get reports on how much each AAC school is getting. Yet some pro-AAC posters are acting like they know for sure ESPN is just going to let the AAC keep UConn's share of the money.
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(11-01-2019 11:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 09:34 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I guess that is still Salt Lake City, maybe its suburbs, lol. And what makes you think ESPN isn't deducting UConn's share?

Because they haven't deducted it yet. That means it'll never happen. ESPN is altruistic.

The contract doesn't go into effect for about 9 months.

I thought I read that the contract doesn't adjust unless TWO teams leave. It's not about altruism at all. If they could cut the deal, they would.

ESPN may also tell the AAC to do what the Big XII did - and add no one.

I recall that Sports Business Journal said ESPN could renegotiate with UConn leaving.

Bottom line is, nobody will know for sure until the contract kicks in next July, and then we will get reports on how much each AAC school is getting. Yet some pro-AAC posters are acting like they know for sure ESPN is just going to let the AAC keep UConn's share of the money.

I dont think that much matters as long as the pro rata share of the media deal remains equal to it's current rate. If the media per team pay out remains equal, there will still be a small bump up in revenue for the remaining teams due to the other revenue sources (CFP, bowls, NCAA credit income, etc) being divided by one less share. The most important thing is they have avoided any need to act rashly---potentially adding a school that dilutes the conference and sets back its development curve.
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(11-01-2019 11:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 11:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 09:34 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 02:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Because they haven't deducted it yet. That means it'll never happen. ESPN is altruistic.

The contract doesn't go into effect for about 9 months.

I thought I read that the contract doesn't adjust unless TWO teams leave. It's not about altruism at all. If they could cut the deal, they would.

ESPN may also tell the AAC to do what the Big XII did - and add no one.

I recall that Sports Business Journal said ESPN could renegotiate with UConn leaving.

Bottom line is, nobody will know for sure until the contract kicks in next July, and then we will get reports on how much each AAC school is getting. Yet some pro-AAC posters are acting like they know for sure ESPN is just going to let the AAC keep UConn's share of the money.

I dont think that much matters as long as the pro rata share of the media deal remains equal to it's current rate. If the media per team pay out remains equal, there will still be a small bump up in revenue for the remaining teams due to the other revenue sources (CFP, bowls, NCAA credit income, etc) being divided by one less share. The most important thing is they have avoided any need to act rashly---potentially adding a school that dilutes the conference and sets back its development curve.

I agree with all that, and to me it's also the fairest solution - there's no reason that the AAC should be penalized by having the pro-rata share cut, nor to benefit from keeping UConn's share. The extra benefit to the AAC of dividing CFP and NCAA credit income less ways is also fair, as that was never negotiated based on conference size to begin with.
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Is there any word as to whether the AAC's waiver to hold a CCG in football will be extended beyond the 2021 season?
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Was stated that it was extended 1 season:
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mu...ll-season/
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(04-11-2021 02:51 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Was stated that it was extended 1 season:
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mu...ll-season/
No source cited.

That's helpful. Thank you.
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Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3
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(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

Less seriously: Of course not--what if the waiver gets taken away? Then the AAC would have to add..................
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(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

Less seriously: Of course not--what if the waiver gets taken away? Then the AAC would have to add..................

Thats what I think. Nobody cares. With Covid and trying to fill budget holes created by the Covid mess--the AAC waiver is pretty low on everyone's "give a crap" meter. My personal belief is the Big 10, ACC, and Big-12 would all be for a rule change making the waiver unnecessary. It could potentially be useful for the SEC as well. I doubt the Pac12 really cares. The AAC would be for it---and I wouldnt be surprised if another G5 or two liked the idea.

In the long run, I suspect some sort rule that allows conferences with more than 10 members to hold a divisionless CCG---simply pitting the two teams with the best records---without requiring that every team plays a full round robin within the conference---will end up passing. I think several conferences would be interested in having that option---even if they eventually decide not to use it. It will probably require a continuous round robin that has the rotation pick up where it left off the prior season. There might be some flexibility built-in so that rivalry games can get played every year.
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(04-11-2021 04:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

I agree. It would be hard to see how the AAC waiver could be taken away while allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs, and nobody is taking the Big 12's waiver away. No, they aren't for the same thing, but I don't see how the NCAA could justify allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs while stripping the AAC.

The rule will quietly be repealed in a year or two.
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(04-11-2021 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 04:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

I agree. It would be hard to see how the AAC waiver could be taken away while allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs, and nobody is taking the Big 12's waiver away. No, they aren't for the same thing, but I don't see how the NCAA could justify allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs while stripping the AAC.

The rule will quietly be repealed in a year or two.

The big 12 doesn't have a waiver and doesn't need one, they got the rule changed from divisions to a full round robin.

I agree with attack though, in particular the SEC will be interested in a change. I assume it will be something along his lines of a rotating round robin, but I also see flexibility being built in so it contains an or clause in which you play every conference member home and away at least once in a five year cycle. That will allow for some three permanent rivals and two groups of five rotating in and out scheduling that the ACC and SEC would ,love to bring back some of the games that only happen once every seven years. That sort of rule works well for the PAC too and would allow the Cali schools to play every year but do an 8 game conference schedule and still everyone be in California regularly for recruiting.
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(04-11-2021 07:36 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 04:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

I agree. It would be hard to see how the AAC waiver could be taken away while allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs, and nobody is taking the Big 12's waiver away. No, they aren't for the same thing, but I don't see how the NCAA could justify allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs while stripping the AAC.

The rule will quietly be repealed in a year or two.

The big 12 doesn't have a waiver and doesn't need one, they got the rule changed from divisions to a full round robin.

I agree with attack though, in particular the SEC will be interested in a change. I assume it will be something along his lines of a rotating round robin, but I also see flexibility being built in so it contains an or clause in which you play every conference member home and away at least once in a five year cycle. That will allow for some three permanent rivals and two groups of five rotating in and out scheduling that the ACC and SEC would ,love to bring back some of the games that only happen once every seven years. That sort of rule works well for the PAC too and would allow the Cali schools to play every year but do an 8 game conference schedule and still everyone be in California regularly for recruiting.

Divisionless format would work well for the SEC and ACC. Each school plays three of the thirteen teams annually and five of the remaining ten every other year. For example, Bama could keep annual matchups with Auburn, Tennessee and LSU, and Mizzou could play Arkansas, A&M and one of the Mississippi schools each year instead of being lumped into the East.
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(04-11-2021 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 04:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

I agree. It would be hard to see how the AAC waiver could be taken away while allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs, and nobody is taking the Big 12's waiver away. No, they aren't for the same thing, but I don't see how the NCAA could justify allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs while stripping the AAC.

The rule will quietly be repealed in a year or two.

Frankly, I've always been for full deregulation. It should be up to each conference to determine how they crown their champion. If they want 2 divisions, 3 divisions, 4 divisions, or no divisions---round robin--or no round robin---it should be up to each individual conference how they decide who gets to play in their championship game. Its their CCG. Its their business.
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I think that we all need a reminder that the Big Ten killed the ACC’s proposal to remove divisional restrictions while agreeing to the Big 12 setup based on the fact that they can play a full conference round robin.

Personally, I’m in favor of deregulation on this matter. However, as evidenced by the Big Ten specifically killing it previously, no one should be lulled into thinking that this is some type of cursory formality or administrative change. The Big Ten was openly against it previously and we’ll need evidence that they’ve changed their minds. My theory has long been that the Big Ten blocked the measure simply because whatever advantage they might get in scheduling flexibility is overridden by the fact that it makes it’s easier for the ACC to sell Notre Dame on full-time football membership eventually (which becomes more difficult if ND is locked into a single division). If the Big Ten still has that view, then they’re not going to care what’s best for the AAC or not: they’ll kill the proposal on principle to avoid setting any future precedent.

I’ve found that fan appetite for conference championship rules deregulation (myself included) is much greater than that of the university presidents and conference commissioners. We see it as “no big deal”, but they’re really super-conservative on the issue for various reasons. It is what it is.
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(04-12-2021 06:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think that we all need a reminder that the Big Ten killed the ACC’s proposal to remove divisional restrictions while agreeing to the Big 12 setup based on the fact that they can play a full conference round robin.

Personally, I’m in favor of deregulation on this matter. However, as evidenced by the Big Ten specifically killing it previously, no one should be lulled into thinking that this is some type of cursory formality or administrative change. The Big Ten was openly against it previously and we’ll need evidence that they’ve changed their minds. My theory has long been that the Big Ten blocked the measure simply because whatever advantage they might get in scheduling flexibility is overridden by the fact that it makes it’s easier for the ACC to sell Notre Dame on full-time football membership eventually (which becomes more difficult if ND is locked into a single division). If the Big Ten still has that view, then they’re not going to care what’s best for the AAC or not: they’ll kill the proposal on principle to avoid setting any future precedent.

I’ve found that fan appetite for conference championship rules deregulation (myself included) is much greater than that of the university presidents and conference commissioners. We see it as “no big deal”, but they’re really super-conservative on the issue for various reasons. It is what it is.

Right now, I think the interesting thing will be the fallout if the NCAA loses the Supreme Court case. It really basically destroys any powers of the NCAA. I wonder if becomes the Wild West with different leagues and P5 type of break away,
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(04-12-2021 06:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think that we all need a reminder that the Big Ten killed the ACC’s proposal to remove divisional restrictions while agreeing to the Big 12 setup based on the fact that they can play a full conference round robin.

Personally, I’m in favor of deregulation on this matter. However, as evidenced by the Big Ten specifically killing it previously, no one should be lulled into thinking that this is some type of cursory formality or administrative change. The Big Ten was openly against it previously and we’ll need evidence that they’ve changed their minds. My theory has long been that the Big Ten blocked the measure simply because whatever advantage they might get in scheduling flexibility is overridden by the fact that it makes it’s easier for the ACC to sell Notre Dame on full-time football membership eventually (which becomes more difficult if ND is locked into a single division). If the Big Ten still has that view, then they’re not going to care what’s best for the AAC or not: they’ll kill the proposal on principle to avoid setting any future precedent.

I’ve found that fan appetite for conference championship rules deregulation (myself included) is much greater than that of the university presidents and conference commissioners. We see it as “no big deal”, but they’re really super-conservative on the issue for various reasons. It is what it is.

The Big10 openly discussed going to a divisionless CCG a couple of years after the 2016 vote your referring to occurred. Thus, I suspect they have had a change of heart and would prefer to at least have the option to do a divisionless CCG in the future--just in case they decide they like the idea.

https://www.si.com/college/2018/12/06/ji...nt-playoff
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(04-11-2021 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 04:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)panite Wrote:  Next question though is - will the waiver become a permanent thing so the AAC expansion threads can stop for awhile. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot COGS COGS COGS 07-coffee3

Seriously: IMO, the waiver is here to stay. Nobody is mad about it, so nobody's going to do the work of getting it taken away.

I agree. It would be hard to see how the AAC waiver could be taken away while allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs, and nobody is taking the Big 12's waiver away. No, they aren't for the same thing, but I don't see how the NCAA could justify allowing the Big 12 to keep theirs while stripping the AAC.

The rule will quietly be repealed in a year or two.

There is no Big 12 waiver.
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