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Add a 12th team in football 63.64% 63 63.64%
Drop a team and go with 10 8.08% 8 8.08%
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RE: So what happens in 2022?
(10-22-2019 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(10-21-2019 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(10-19-2019 11:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Guess this means it goes quiet for a year. Sorry realignment fanatics.

Not to stoke the flames for StayCool and Panama but, it's only two years. There would probably be, at the very least, a one-year lead time before adding a team.

That, sadly, doesn't give teams like App State enough time to even start to distinguish themselves. They just became the first Sun Belt team ever to win a game while ranked (the fact that that stat was actually a thing is ridiculous), so teams from that league have a long way to go.

Really wish we could just bag BYU. It would be an instant plus for us, and give them something to play for this time of year, other than ruining Boise's day. Outside of them, I really don't want us to get rushed into a bad add.

Oh I dont know. Appy St already has a nationwide reputation as a giant killer. They would be fine. Its not ideal, but you could do a lot worse than grabbing AppySt as a "football only" member and pairing them with VCU as a "non-football" member. Honestly, I think you can use the split invitation hybrid to create maximize the positive impact of that #12 slot---even if you can't land a BYU or Army. My concern is that the conference will end up settling for a subpar full member candidate that comes nowhere near the potential of a pair of split invites---simply because they allow the fear that hybrid members will cause conference instability. That would be a huge unforced error. They need to understand---until the AAC is officially a power conference, the AAC will always be an unstable conference.

I'm probably in the minority, but i would be fine with a "football only" invite from the AAC with the following conditions (which probably make it untenable from AAC perspective).

1. Commensurate payment from TV contract for football valuation- I'm sure ESPN can tell how much they value AAC football vs basketball
2. Basketball scheduling agreement for mens and womens, i'm thinking 2 home 2 away each on FULL rotating basis- so you can't send us ECU and Tulane/USF every year. 1 of the 2 main reasons App isn't an attractive full member is our mens bball has barely been Sunbelt level, so having occasional home games with Memphis/Cincy/Temple etc will really help strengthen the programs.
3. Clear path to full membership. Obviously this is our long term goal and we need to understand how we can become full members. I'm thinking something like a rolling presidents vote every 2 or 3 years. If we can clean up our basketball program to AAC level, we should be given full membership.

All that being said I don't work in an ADs office, so i can't imagine the headache of dealing with two different conferences. My guess is that our AD doesn't want to convince somebody to take our bball+olympic sports. Plus, i'm fine with the Sunbelt, its turned into a nice competitive football conference, and maybe basketball can follow.


I’d think the money would be about 5 million for a football only and around 2 million for a non-football member. I doubt there would be a basketball scheduling agreement, but I suspect having your AD in meetings with AAC AD’s all year would result in plenty of scheduling opportunities for the other sports.

That said, App St is just one of several options for that slot. S Miss would work just as well and I know that cash starved program would take a football only invite in a second. ArkySt, LaTech, and Marshall would be on the list as well as possible “football only” options to pair with VCU.

My feeling is there is simply no program that really makes much sense to add as a full member right now—so why force it? Splitting the invite into “football only” and “non-football” invites allows the AAC to create a very attractive “12th member candidate” out of thin air.

However, if the split invite option is unworkable, I’d rather deal with the scheduling headache of playing someone twice in one year for a while if that’s what it takes after the waiver expires. That’s just a temporary scheduling issue that a rule change may fix down the road. Adding a new member is permanent. If we are patient, an excellent candidate that is an excellent match will eventually emerge. No need to reach on a “full member” fit right now just because of an artificial time limit and a little scheduling inconvenience.

If the goal is to be a true “P6” or whatever, why would an ARK St who we dominate regularly be an option? If that’s the goal, App is kind of a no brainer. I know the popular choices are Boise, Army, BYU, and AF, but those just are not realistic options. Might as well take the Boise of the East.
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RE: So what happens in 2022?
(10-25-2019 01:08 PM)App10 Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(10-21-2019 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 02:20 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Not to stoke the flames for StayCool and Panama but, it's only two years. There would probably be, at the very least, a one-year lead time before adding a team.

That, sadly, doesn't give teams like App State enough time to even start to distinguish themselves. They just became the first Sun Belt team ever to win a game while ranked (the fact that that stat was actually a thing is ridiculous), so teams from that league have a long way to go.

Really wish we could just bag BYU. It would be an instant plus for us, and give them something to play for this time of year, other than ruining Boise's day. Outside of them, I really don't want us to get rushed into a bad add.

Oh I dont know. Appy St already has a nationwide reputation as a giant killer. They would be fine. Its not ideal, but you could do a lot worse than grabbing AppySt as a "football only" member and pairing them with VCU as a "non-football" member. Honestly, I think you can use the split invitation hybrid to create maximize the positive impact of that #12 slot---even if you can't land a BYU or Army. My concern is that the conference will end up settling for a subpar full member candidate that comes nowhere near the potential of a pair of split invites---simply because they allow the fear that hybrid members will cause conference instability. That would be a huge unforced error. They need to understand---until the AAC is officially a power conference, the AAC will always be an unstable conference.

I'm probably in the minority, but i would be fine with a "football only" invite from the AAC with the following conditions (which probably make it untenable from AAC perspective).

1. Commensurate payment from TV contract for football valuation- I'm sure ESPN can tell how much they value AAC football vs basketball
2. Basketball scheduling agreement for mens and womens, i'm thinking 2 home 2 away each on FULL rotating basis- so you can't send us ECU and Tulane/USF every year. 1 of the 2 main reasons App isn't an attractive full member is our mens bball has barely been Sunbelt level, so having occasional home games with Memphis/Cincy/Temple etc will really help strengthen the programs.
3. Clear path to full membership. Obviously this is our long term goal and we need to understand how we can become full members. I'm thinking something like a rolling presidents vote every 2 or 3 years. If we can clean up our basketball program to AAC level, we should be given full membership.

All that being said I don't work in an ADs office, so i can't imagine the headache of dealing with two different conferences. My guess is that our AD doesn't want to convince somebody to take our bball+olympic sports. Plus, i'm fine with the Sunbelt, its turned into a nice competitive football conference, and maybe basketball can follow.


I’d think the money would be about 5 million for a football only and around 2 million for a non-football member. I doubt there would be a basketball scheduling agreement, but I suspect having your AD in meetings with AAC AD’s all year would result in plenty of scheduling opportunities for the other sports.

That said, App St is just one of several options for that slot. S Miss would work just as well and I know that cash starved program would take a football only invite in a second. ArkySt, LaTech, and Marshall would be on the list as well as possible “football only” options to pair with VCU.

My feeling is there is simply no program that really makes much sense to add as a full member right now—so why force it? Splitting the invite into “football only” and “non-football” invites allows the AAC to create a very attractive “12th member candidate” out of thin air.

However, if the split invite option is unworkable, I’d rather deal with the scheduling headache of playing someone twice in one year for a while if that’s what it takes after the waiver expires. That’s just a temporary scheduling issue that a rule change may fix down the road. Adding a new member is permanent. If we are patient, an excellent candidate that is an excellent match will eventually emerge. No need to reach on a “full member” fit right now just because of an artificial time limit and a little scheduling inconvenience.

If the goal is to be a true “P6” or whatever, why would an ARK St who we dominate regularly be an option? If that’s the goal, App is kind of a no brainer. I know the popular choices are Boise, Army, BYU, and AF, but those just are not realistic options. Might as well take the Boise of the East.

Hate to break it to you but nobody listed in that post screams "P6" and none are "no brainer" additions. If they were, the AAC would not be doing everything they can to avoid having to add a 12th team. That said, if forced to add another squad---AppySt, ArkySt, S Miss, Marshall, Georgia St, UAB, LaTech, etc are all going to be considered--hopefully for a "football only" slot. The choices are what the choices are. Further more, as not a single school east of the Rockies makes any sense as a "full member"--it makes zero sense to add any single school as full member. Thats the only "no brainer" aspect of the decision I see.
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RE: So what happens in 2022?
Hate to break it to you but nobody listed in that post screams "P6" and none are "no brainer" additions.

Air Force FB is probably a no-brainer.

If they were, the AAC would not be doing everything they can to avoid having to add a 12th team.

There is nothing at all suggesting that the AAC is "avoiding" adding a 12th team in each sport.

In fact, Aresco made it clear that the AAC would welcome Army or BYU, or a few other schools ("very few," which would be more than two others, but probably not more than five others).


That said, if forced to add another squad---AppySt, ArkySt, S Miss, Marshall, Georgia St, UAB, LaTech, etc are all going to be considered--hopefully for a "football only" slot.

When Aresco said "very few," other than BYU or Army, I doubt that he meant that any more than 5 or 6 would would have a strong case for membership.

Further more, as not a single school east of the Rockies makes any sense as a "full member"--it makes zero sense to add any single school as full member. Thats the only "no brainer" aspect of the decision I see.

Agree that it would definitely make the most sense to add the top FB-only option and the top BB/olympic option as members.

The only conceivable eastern all-sports member might be Buffalo, but they would have to do a major upgrade of their brand and facilities.


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We should have a rank your candidates thread, top 10, for the new 12th school.
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RE: So what happens in 2022?
(10-23-2019 09:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 08:09 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  This thread has gotten a bit side-tracked by a discussion about one school - - Appalachian State.

The topic is "So, what happens in 2022?"

Aresco has made it clear that, to be strongly considered, a potential new member will have to be a high profile university with a nationally-recognized brand. He also made it clear that there are very few non-P5 schools that meet these criteria.

Another likely AAC criterion, especially from ESPN's standpoint, is a large media market. The remaining 11 AAC schools are in metropolitan areas with an average population of ~3 million viewers, due to locations.

Besides BYU and Army, which apparently aren't interested, how many schools meet all these criteria? There are only a few that meet at least 2 of these criteria. A flexible list would include some of the following:

National recognition:
Air Force FB, Boise FB, CSU FB, SDSU all sports, Buffalo all-sports (marginal?), VCU MBB, Dayton MBB, Davidson MBB, , ODU MBB, UNLV MBB (legacy), Northern Iowa MBB (marginal?)

Metro area ~1+ million:
Air Force FB (national), CSU FB, SDSU all-sports, Buffalo all sports, Utah State all sports, VCU BB, Dayton MBB, Davidson MBB, ODU MBB, UNLV MBB (legacy)


Schools (programs) with recent success that meet both criteria:

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All-Sports:

SDSU (extreme travel time/costs)

Buffalo (marginal brand?)

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Football Only:

Air Force FB

SDSU (optional FB-only; high travel time/costs)

CSU FB (enough success??)

Buffalo (FB-only option, marginal brand)


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Men's Basketball:

VCU BB

Dayton MBB

Davidson MBB

ODU MBB


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This list is not exhaustive, and some other MWC schools may meet the required criteria. However, it's not clear that any other MAC, C-USA, Sun Belt, or independent schools would meet all the AAC's criteria.

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Most likely potential members, if interested, would include:

Air Force FB

VCU BB

Dayton MBB

Davidson MBB

ODU MBB



Marginal/second choices that might also be considered:

SDSU (FB)

CSU (FB)

Buffalo (FB or all-sports)

Utah State (FB or all-sports)


Well assessed, JClampett.

I enjoyed reading.

Strong post. This board should nominate a post a week/month that gets voted on an stickied. This would encourage stronger, more well thought out posts like this one.
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RE: So what happens in 2022?
(10-25-2019 06:18 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 09:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 08:09 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  This thread has gotten a bit side-tracked by a discussion about one school - - Appalachian State.

The topic is "So, what happens in 2022?"

Aresco has made it clear that, to be strongly considered, a potential new member will have to be a high profile university with a nationally-recognized brand. He also made it clear that there are very few non-P5 schools that meet these criteria.

Another likely AAC criterion, especially from ESPN's standpoint, is a large media market. The remaining 11 AAC schools are in metropolitan areas with an average population of ~3 million viewers, due to locations.

Besides BYU and Army, which apparently aren't interested, how many schools meet all these criteria? There are only a few that meet at least 2 of these criteria. A flexible list would include some of the following:

National recognition:
Air Force FB, Boise FB, CSU FB, SDSU all sports, Buffalo all-sports (marginal?), VCU MBB, Dayton MBB, Davidson MBB, , ODU MBB, UNLV MBB (legacy), Northern Iowa MBB (marginal?)

Metro area ~1+ million:
Air Force FB (national), CSU FB, SDSU all-sports, Buffalo all sports, Utah State all sports, VCU BB, Dayton MBB, Davidson MBB, ODU MBB, UNLV MBB (legacy)


Schools (programs) with recent success that meet both criteria:

.
All-Sports:

SDSU (extreme travel time/costs)

Buffalo (marginal brand?)

.
Football Only:

Air Force FB

SDSU (optional FB-only; high travel time/costs)

CSU FB (enough success??)

Buffalo (FB-only option, marginal brand)


.
Men's Basketball:

VCU BB

Dayton MBB

Davidson MBB

ODU MBB


.
This list is not exhaustive, and some other MWC schools may meet the required criteria. However, it's not clear that any other MAC, C-USA, Sun Belt, or independent schools would meet all the AAC's criteria.

.
Most likely potential members, if interested, would include:

Air Force FB

VCU BB

Dayton MBB

Davidson MBB

ODU MBB



Marginal/second choices that might also be considered:

SDSU (FB)

CSU (FB)

Buffalo (FB or all-sports)

Utah State (FB or all-sports)


Well assessed, JClampett.

I enjoyed reading.

Strong post. This board should nominate a post a week/month that gets voted on an stickied. This would encourage stronger, more well thought out posts like this one.


Thanks for the compliment. It seems like a good time to match up Aresco's criteria with the schools under consideration, in order to get some idea of which schools are on his (secret) "short list).

There are some other great posts on this site - such as a post today putting forth an ingenious - if slightly outlandish - proposal for a 3-division AAC in the distant future.
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(10-25-2019 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Hate to break it to you but nobody listed in that post screams "P6" and none are "no brainer" additions.

Air Force FB is probably a no-brainer.

If they were, the AAC would not be doing everything they can to avoid having to add a 12th team.

There is nothing at all suggesting that the AAC is "avoiding" adding a 12th team in each sport.

In fact, Aresco made it clear that the AAC would welcome Army or BYU, or a few other schools ("very few," which would be more than two others, but probably not more than five others).


That said, if forced to add another squad---AppySt, ArkySt, S Miss, Marshall, Georgia St, UAB, LaTech, etc are all going to be considered--hopefully for a "football only" slot.

When Aresco said "very few," other than BYU or Army, I doubt that he meant that any more than 5 or 6 would would have a strong case for membership.

Further more, as not a single school east of the Rockies makes any sense as a "full member"--it makes zero sense to add any single school as full member. Thats the only "no brainer" aspect of the decision I see.

Agree that it would definitely make the most sense to add the top FB-only option and the top BB/olympic option as members.

The only conceivable eastern all-sports member might be Buffalo, but they would have to do a major upgrade of their brand and facilities.
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(10-29-2019 08:59 AM)panama Wrote:  Hate to break it to you but nobody listed in that post screams "P6" and none are "no brainer" additions.

If they were, the AAC would not be doing everything they can to avoid having to add a 12th team.

That said, if forced to add another squad---AppySt, ArkySt, S Miss, Marshall, Georgia St, UAB, LaTech, etc are all going to be considered--hopefully for a "football only" slot.

Further more, as not a single school east of the Rockies makes any sense as a "full member"--it makes zero sense to add any single school as full member. Thats the only "no brainer" aspect of the decision I see.

I don't think that you "get" the point that a bunch of other denizens of this message board have been trying to help you to see.

None of the C-USA and Sun Belt Schools you've listed are likely to get strong consideration, based on Aresco's stated criteria for the AAC.

A couple, such as Marshall FB have had decades of name recognition and success, and would augment the mid-atlantic region, but they're not in a large market and aren't a Flagship. They're not a high ranked academic school or an AAU school. They might be considered as a FB-only add, but they check off few of the AAC's boxes, especially the national brand. Aresco's hope is for a relatively "high-end" national brand, and Marshall doesn't check that important box.

Buffalo checks off more boxes than Marshall or any of the others on the list do, and they would probably only be considered a serious candidate if none of the MWC schools were to show interest.

The AAC has a very large geographical footprint, and it has schools scattered from Wichita to Tampa and from Philadelphia to Houston. That's why the name "American" fits the conference - it covers much of the nation.

However, 7 of the remaining 11 AAC schools are located south of the Mason-Dixon line, leaving the northeast, mid-atlantic and midwest sparsely represented. Adding a well-known Colorado school would expand the footprint to the rocky mountains region, which would have advantages to adding yet another southern school.

If the other arguments don't convince you, the regional argument might make the picture clearer.

This is not meant as a put-down or a criticism. It's just the facts as we understand them from the AAC Commissioner.

It's terrific that many good C-USA and Sun Belt schools would like to be AAC members, and perhaps there will be a surprise.

I honestly think Air Force is top of the list among the AAC fans, by far, because they check the most of Aresco's boxes. If not them, perhaps Colo St or another well-known MWC school would be next on the list.

BTW, if anyone is "avoiding" adding a 12th team, it seems to be Aresco himself who is most averse to adding. The AAC members seem to be more open-minded.

It's not clear whether the AAC members, themselves, would prefer to go divisionless for years on end or to add a team to have two balanced divisions. Once they calculate the extra time and dollars they'll have to spend to go divisionless, which would be something like $1 million per year/per school or more, they might elect to return to divisional play with either 11 or 12 teams. My gut tells me that Aresco wants 11, but the members secretly want 12.
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...and they will have 12

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(10-29-2019 08:59 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 05:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Hate to break it to you but nobody listed in that post screams "P6" and none are "no brainer" additions.

Air Force FB is probably a no-brainer.

If they were, the AAC would not be doing everything they can to avoid having to add a 12th team.

There is nothing at all suggesting that the AAC is "avoiding" adding a 12th team in each sport.

In fact, Aresco made it clear that the AAC would welcome Army or BYU, or a few other schools ("very few," which would be more than two others, but probably not more than five others).


That said, if forced to add another squad---AppySt, ArkySt, S Miss, Marshall, Georgia St, UAB, LaTech, etc are all going to be considered--hopefully for a "football only" slot.

When Aresco said "very few," other than BYU or Army, I doubt that he meant that any more than 5 or 6 would would have a strong case for membership.

Further more, as not a single school east of the Rockies makes any sense as a "full member"--it makes zero sense to add any single school as full member. Thats the only "no brainer" aspect of the decision I see.

Agree that it would definitely make the most sense to add the top FB-only option and the top BB/olympic option as members.

The only conceivable eastern all-sports member might be Buffalo, but they would have to do a major upgrade of their brand and facilities.
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Why do people keep discussing options that aren't on the table any more? We are not doing unbalanced divisions and schedules with 11. Aresco has said that several times.

We are getting the temp waiver to play 11 schools division-less for 2 years, 8 game conference schedule, and then...

1. There will be a permanent rule change to allow us to continue like that, or...

2. We will add a 12th team, and go back to divisions.

Our preference is #1, and there are only those 2 options, according to the AAC.
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(10-19-2019 06:35 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I hope the rule is changed but I bet we add a 12th team named Boise, BYU, AF, Army, or App State.
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(10-19-2019 09:45 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  The landscape for the contenders may change a little in 3 years but I would think BYU will be the lead horse. By then they must decide whether independence is strategically the best option for the future of their program. If they decline then the next best shining star that checks all the boxes will be invited. Not sure who that will be.

By way of second hand, another posted stated in the SMU-Temple thread that the announcers were comparing the AAC favorably to the ACC, PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU can claim they are considering a power conference if that narrative continues. AAC must continue to be in the ACCESS Bowls for the favorable comparisons to continue.
If BYU could just get over themselves for a minute, they may realize that joining the AAC is a Win-Win for all of us. But if being an Independent is that important to them, then there certainly are a few other schools I would be more than happy to see in our conference.
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(10-29-2019 10:24 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 09:45 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  The landscape for the contenders may change a little in 3 years but I would think BYU will be the lead horse. By then they must decide whether independence is strategically the best option for the future of their program. If they decline then the next best shining star that checks all the boxes will be invited. Not sure who that will be.

By way of second hand, another posted stated in the SMU-Temple thread that the announcers were comparing the AAC favorably to the ACC, PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU can claim they are considering a power conference if that narrative continues. AAC must continue to be in the ACCESS Bowls for the favorable comparisons to continue.
If BYU could just get over themselves for a minute, they may realize that joining the AAC is a Win-Win for all of us. But if being an Independent is that important to them, then there certainly are a few other schools I would be more than happy to see in our conference.
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(10-19-2019 06:35 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I hope the rule is changed but I bet we add a 12th team named Boise, BYU, AF, Army, or App State.
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(10-19-2019 09:45 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  The landscape for the contenders may change a little in 3 years but I would think BYU will be the lead horse. By then they must decide whether independence is strategically the best option for the future of their program. If they decline then the next best shining star that checks all the boxes will be invited. Not sure who that will be.

By way of second hand, another posted stated in the SMU-Temple thread that the announcers were comparing the AAC favorably to the ACC, PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU can claim they are considering a power conference if that narrative continues. AAC must continue to be in the ACCESS Bowls for the favorable comparisons to continue.
If BYU could just get over themselves for a minute, they may realize that joining the AAC is a Win-Win for all of us. But if being an Independent is that important to them, then there certainly are a few other schools I would be more than happy to see in our conference.

San Diego State would be a great get. They're good in football and basketball. Leave their other sports somewhere else.
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(10-29-2019 11:25 PM)panama Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 10:24 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 09:45 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  The landscape for the contenders may change a little in 3 years but I would think BYU will be the lead horse. By then they must decide whether independence is strategically the best option for the future of their program. If they decline then the next best shining star that checks all the boxes will be invited. Not sure who that will be.

By way of second hand, another posted stated in the SMU-Temple thread that the announcers were comparing the AAC favorably to the ACC, PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU can claim they are considering a power conference if that narrative continues. AAC must continue to be in the ACCESS Bowls for the favorable comparisons to continue.
If BYU could just get over themselves for a minute, they may realize that joining the AAC is a Win-Win for all of us. But if being an Independent is that important to them, then there certainly are a few other schools I would be more than happy to see in our conference.
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Four NYD bowls since 2013. There is pretty decent chance the AAC lands another NYD bowl slot this year. BYU has zero NYD bowls since 2013 and and will probably have zero 6 years from now. By then, the number of NYD bowls the AAC has been in may have hit double digits. As an AAC member, my guess is BYU would be in the thick of the access bowl race most every year. I suspect that would add a lot of interest and excitement to the BYU seasons that doesnt exist today.

That said, while BYU, Army, and Air Force are all certainly brands that fit the P6 narrative-they are also seemingly uninterested (otherwise, they would have already been added--no need for a waiver). So, as I stated before--if there was a "no brainer" addition---they would have already been added. We can assume that presidents believe there arent any "no brainer P6 additions" east of the Rockies that will say yes to an AAC invite. That is why we needed a waiver. We are seeking to avoid adding a #12 that doesnt really fit. Thats not to say there are not some teams with potential. The problem with "potential" is every single G5 can say they have "potential"----but very few will ever realize much of that potential. Taking a team on "potential" is a gamble. Better to wait and see who actually develops that potential---then, once you know who that team is---add the sure thing.
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(10-29-2019 11:30 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 10:24 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 09:45 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  The landscape for the contenders may change a little in 3 years but I would think BYU will be the lead horse. By then they must decide whether independence is strategically the best option for the future of their program. If they decline then the next best shining star that checks all the boxes will be invited. Not sure who that will be.

By way of second hand, another posted stated in the SMU-Temple thread that the announcers were comparing the AAC favorably to the ACC, PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU can claim they are considering a power conference if that narrative continues. AAC must continue to be in the ACCESS Bowls for the favorable comparisons to continue.
If BYU could just get over themselves for a minute, they may realize that joining the AAC is a Win-Win for all of us. But if being an Independent is that important to them, then there certainly are a few other schools I would be more than happy to see in our conference.

San Diego State would be a great get. They're good in football and basketball. Leave their other sports somewhere else.
I like the Aztecs. But they are just so far off the grid from the rest of the conference. They would be almost like Hawaii is to the Mountain West if they joined the conference.
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(10-29-2019 11:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 11:25 PM)panama Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 10:24 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 09:45 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  The landscape for the contenders may change a little in 3 years but I would think BYU will be the lead horse. By then they must decide whether independence is strategically the best option for the future of their program. If they decline then the next best shining star that checks all the boxes will be invited. Not sure who that will be.

By way of second hand, another posted stated in the SMU-Temple thread that the announcers were comparing the AAC favorably to the ACC, PAC 12 and Big 12. BYU can claim they are considering a power conference if that narrative continues. AAC must continue to be in the ACCESS Bowls for the favorable comparisons to continue.
If BYU could just get over themselves for a minute, they may realize that joining the AAC is a Win-Win for all of us. But if being an Independent is that important to them, then there certainly are a few other schools I would be more than happy to see in our conference.
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Four NYD bows since 2013. There is pretty decent chance the AAC lands another NYD bowl slot this year. BYU has zero NYD bowls since 2013 and and will probably have zero 6 years from now. By then, the number of NYD bowls the AAC has been in may have hit double digits. As an AAC member, my guess is BYU would be in the thick of the access bowl race most every year. I suspect that would add a lot of interest and excitement to the BYU seasons that doesnt exist today.

That said, while BYU, Army, and Air Force are all certainly brands that fit the P6 narrative-they are also seemingly uninterested (otherwise, they would have already been added--no need for a waiver). So, as I stated before--if there was a "no brainer" addition---they would have already been added. We can assume that presidents believe there arent any "no brainer P6 additions" east of the Rockies that will say yes to an AAC invite. That is why we needed a waiver. We are seeking to avoid adding a #12 that doesnt really fit. Thats npt to say there are not some teams with potential. The problem with "potential" is every single G5 can say they have "potential"----but very few will ever realize much of that potential. Taking a team on "potential" is a gamble. Better to wait and see who actually develops that potential---then, once you know who that team is---add the sure thing.
Thanks for making that point! See panama... Win-Win for all.
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(10-29-2019 11:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(10-19-2019 06:35 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I hope the rule is changed but I bet we add a 12th team named Boise, BYU, AF, Army, or App State.
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