(10-28-2019 05:30 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, people talk about ESPN locked certain tv markets. ESPN already have the Birmingham tv market locked with Alabama. They are looking for new markets they do not have.

Alabama:
Huntsville and Montgomery they do not have yet.
Alaska where there are no football teams, but could use for basketball.
Arizona the whole state.
Arkansas The Hogs don't own the whole state, but State is kinda close to Memphis.
California as the whole state.
Colorado as the whole state.
Connecticut as the whole state when they leave.
Delaware which ESPN do not have a presence, but Delaware is within range of Temple.
Florida is locked down except for the town Florida Tech is in.
Georgia you still have Albany, Columbus, Savannah and Valdosta with a large population.
Hawaii as the whole state.
Idaho they already locked down with Boise State.
Illinois they only got Northern Illinois. Illinois State is another they could tapped into.
Indiana which they got Ball State, but Indiana State is another market.
Iowa they could get Northern Iowa.
Kansas which they got Wichita State, but D2 Washburn in Topeka is one they could turned to.
Kentucky they locked the state up.
Louisiana they got the state locked up.
And so on.

ESPN could move pieces where they want them to go. They could offer the same amount per school for the MWC for the tv deal like they did with AAC and add Gonzaga for the other sports to offset Hawaii. BYU could join as number 13 for all sport if they want it.
But, they need Northern Arizona and Montana with UTEP to join the MWC to be in those states.

But for AAC? UTSA, Southern Miss., ODU are the only schools that ESPN may allow into AAC without cutting into their other schools. They might move Toledo to AAC and get Youngstown State, Northern Iowa, Indiana State, Illinois State and Missouri State to join the MAC. Missouri State could be a future AAC member. That leaves FCS and D2 schools that could go higher like Angelo State, Valdosta State, Central Oklahoma, James Madison, Delaware, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Indianapolis, and other schools that ESPN are not in that market. I think ESPN will only have Texas left while Fox gets all rights for the rest of the Big 12 games. ESPN need to groom all these schools to be as big to recover their loss.

I have no words for how ridiculous this is.

I just read the DavidSt post twice and, I must admit, there is much absurdity and oddity in it. BUT, with his posts, he often offers 'kernels of interesting, and (dare I say) 'insider' info" that should not be so quickly dismissed.

I actually welcome his posts. If everybody posted in a "normal manner" with so-called logical and reasoned positions and opinions, the board would be rather dull.

DavidSt offers a perspective that, while unusual, is fun and different. He clearly does a lot of research (some of it rather unscientific, to be frank) that provides some helpful perspective.

I've been reading the board since 2013, and I hope he keeps posting.

(10-28-2019 09:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 05:30 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, people talk about ESPN locked certain tv markets. ESPN already have the Birmingham tv market locked with Alabama. They are looking for new markets they do not have.

Alabama:
Huntsville and Montgomery they do not have yet.
Alaska where there are no football teams, but could use for basketball.
Arizona the whole state.
Arkansas The Hogs don't own the whole state, but State is kinda close to Memphis.
California as the whole state.
Colorado as the whole state.
Connecticut as the whole state when they leave.
Delaware which ESPN do not have a presence, but Delaware is within range of Temple.
Florida is locked down except for the town Florida Tech is in.
Georgia you still have Albany, Columbus, Savannah and Valdosta with a large population.
Hawaii as the whole state.
Idaho they already locked down with Boise State.
Illinois they only got Northern Illinois. Illinois State is another they could tapped into.
Indiana which they got Ball State, but Indiana State is another market.
Iowa they could get Northern Iowa.
Kansas which they got Wichita State, but D2 Washburn in Topeka is one they could turned to.
Kentucky they locked the state up.
Louisiana they got the state locked up.
And so on.

ESPN could move pieces where they want them to go. They could offer the same amount per school for the MWC for the tv deal like they did with AAC and add Gonzaga for the other sports to offset Hawaii. BYU could join as number 13 for all sport if they want it.
But, they need Northern Arizona and Montana with UTEP to join the MWC to be in those states.

But for AAC? UTSA, Southern Miss., ODU are the only schools that ESPN may allow into AAC without cutting into their other schools. They might move Toledo to AAC and get Youngstown State, Northern Iowa, Indiana State, Illinois State and Missouri State to join the MAC. Missouri State could be a future AAC member. That leaves FCS and D2 schools that could go higher like Angelo State, Valdosta State, Central Oklahoma, James Madison, Delaware, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Indianapolis, and other schools that ESPN are not in that market. I think ESPN will only have Texas left while Fox gets all rights for the rest of the Big 12 games. ESPN need to groom all these schools to be as big to recover their loss.

I have no words for how ridiculous this is.

I just read the DavidSt post twice and, I must admit, there is much absurdity and oddity in it. BUT, with his posts, he often offers 'kernels of interesting, and (dare I say) 'insider' info" that should not be so quickly dismissed.

I actually welcome his posts. If everybody posted in a "normal manner" with so-called logical and reasoned positions and opinions, the board would be rather dull.

DavidSt offers a perspective that, while unusual, is fun and different. He clearly does a lot of research (some of it rather unscientific, to be frank) that provides some helpful perspective.

I've been reading the board since 2013, and I hope he keeps posting.

In addiction circles you are what is known as an enabler.

(10-28-2019 09:25 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  UAB is not TCU

Don't have to be to compete in the AAC.

(10-28-2019 10:42 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 09:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 05:30 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay, people talk about ESPN locked certain tv markets. ESPN already have the Birmingham tv market locked with Alabama. They are looking for new markets they do not have.

Alabama:
Huntsville and Montgomery they do not have yet.
Alaska where there are no football teams, but could use for basketball.
Arizona the whole state.
Arkansas The Hogs don't own the whole state, but State is kinda close to Memphis.
California as the whole state.
Colorado as the whole state.
Connecticut as the whole state when they leave.
Delaware which ESPN do not have a presence, but Delaware is within range of Temple.
Florida is locked down except for the town Florida Tech is in.
Georgia you still have Albany, Columbus, Savannah and Valdosta with a large population.
Hawaii as the whole state.
Idaho they already locked down with Boise State.
Illinois they only got Northern Illinois. Illinois State is another they could tapped into.
Indiana which they got Ball State, but Indiana State is another market.
Iowa they could get Northern Iowa.
Kansas which they got Wichita State, but D2 Washburn in Topeka is one they could turned to.
Kentucky they locked the state up.
Louisiana they got the state locked up.
And so on.

ESPN could move pieces where they want them to go. They could offer the same amount per school for the MWC for the tv deal like they did with AAC and add Gonzaga for the other sports to offset Hawaii. BYU could join as number 13 for all sport if they want it.
But, they need Northern Arizona and Montana with UTEP to join the MWC to be in those states.

But for AAC? UTSA, Southern Miss., ODU are the only schools that ESPN may allow into AAC without cutting into their other schools. They might move Toledo to AAC and get Youngstown State, Northern Iowa, Indiana State, Illinois State and Missouri State to join the MAC. Missouri State could be a future AAC member. That leaves FCS and D2 schools that could go higher like Angelo State, Valdosta State, Central Oklahoma, James Madison, Delaware, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Indianapolis, and other schools that ESPN are not in that market. I think ESPN will only have Texas left while Fox gets all rights for the rest of the Big 12 games. ESPN need to groom all these schools to be as big to recover their loss.

I have no words for how ridiculous this is.

I just read the DavidSt post twice and, I must admit, there is much absurdity and oddity in it. BUT, with his posts, he often offers 'kernels of interesting, and (dare I say) 'insider' info" that should not be so quickly dismissed.

I actually welcome his posts. If everybody posted in a "normal manner" with so-called logical and reasoned positions and opinions, the board would be rather dull.

DavidSt offers a perspective that, while unusual, is fun and different. He clearly does a lot of research (some of it rather unscientific, to be frank) that provides some helpful perspective.

I've been reading the board since 2013, and I hope he keeps posting.

In addiction circles you are what is known as an enabler.

I chuckled at that. Well done.

(10-28-2019 01:08 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 10:26 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-25-2019 10:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-25-2019 06:55 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  i don’t want to hear questions about what Value does UAB bring when the AAC was willing to take Tulsa, ECU, Tulane, and SMU. SMU is the only one that’s truly flourished in these moves. Tulane turning the corner? I think so. Just swap ECU and Tulsa for UAB and USM. Just stirring the pot.

Since you are the one wanting admission, you are not in a position to decide what you don't want to hear, lol.

I have fond Belt, but righr now you would just be a mouth to feed in the AAC.

The UAB situation to me has parallels to the Temple situation.

Remember how Temple was about to drop their program and a lease in Philadelphia was in question? They got an invite to the MAC and most MAC fans were upset at the time with the addition of a terrible FB program. Temple of course stabilized their program in the MAC and with their own recruiting territory in PA-NJ had an advantage.

UAB brought the FB program back, put 45,000 in the stands and won a CUSA FB championship. New level of investment including a new FB stadium that will be ready for 2022 the year the AAC has to fill it. Perfect timing for getting back into a conference with Memphis and USF.

Momentum is so important in conference realignment. That is how Temple was able to get back into the Big East in 2012.

I'm very familiar with GSU, ODU, and GSU.

What a lot of people here may not understand is the cultural love for football in Alabama and the emerging city pride. Alabama as a state was stuck in the past a long time. Now Birmingham and Huntsville are rapidly growing and people want to support (local).

UAB can get more TV viewers in a smaller state than most other programs if the games are accessible and quality. Many people in Alabama pretty much do nothing but watch football on Saturday.

Familiar with us twice...

*Blush*

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(10-26-2019 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think the issues with C-USA, SBC and AAC for getting fans into the stadiums to fill seats are that they are spread out too far apart. Aside from UTSA hosting Army, the large crowds were with schools like Arizona, Oklahoma State or instate schools. Fans flock to San Antonio. Hosting FAU or FIU? Nothing. Fans are too far apart. Tulsa, UConn. and Tulane struggle to get fans to come. Tulsa may need some more instate schools to be D1. ECU needs some closer schools near by. The issues are that they are either outliers than anything else. SBC has an issue that there are only 4 west schools with football and 6 in the east. Texas State is the new New Mexico State lonely on an island. I do not think this would work for all 3 conferences for too much longer since they do not make the money like the P5. You need too fill the stands to offset it, and there are many schools including 3 in the AAC can't last long.

ECU just needs to win football games, that school has proven they have no problems with attendance if things are going well.

(10-21-2019 10:44 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  AAC ain’t getting Boise (king of the hill in MWC) or Air Force (won’t leave their long rivalries with front range comrades Wyoming, Colorado St and New Mexico. And BYU is a proud independent who loves Indy schedule full of p5 teams.
UAB or Marshall shall replace UCONN

No to both. Amazing how this thread keeps going when neither of these teams will be joining the AAC.

(10-29-2019 08:58 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think the issues with C-USA, SBC and AAC for getting fans into the stadiums to fill seats are that they are spread out too far apart. Aside from UTSA hosting Army, the large crowds were with schools like Arizona, Oklahoma State or instate schools. Fans flock to San Antonio. Hosting FAU or FIU? Nothing. Fans are too far apart. Tulsa, UConn. and Tulane struggle to get fans to come. Tulsa may need some more instate schools to be D1. ECU needs some closer schools near by. The issues are that they are either outliers than anything else. SBC has an issue that there are only 4 west schools with football and 6 in the east. Texas State is the new New Mexico State lonely on an island. I do not think this would work for all 3 conferences for too much longer since they do not make the money like the P5. You need too fill the stands to offset it, and there are many schools including 3 in the AAC can't last long.

ECU just needs to win football games, that school has proven they have no problems with attendance if things are going well.

This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

The AAC is about to get an extra 5M+-8M+ per year for the next decade or so w/o selling a single ticket. It’ll be interesting to track budgets and athletic department financial health compared to others outside the P5 once the payments kick in. They (whoever the three are) will be able to last longer in the AAC than outside it.

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

Fine in the context of the post subject. They would not be better off in either CUSA/SBC or some mishmash...which goes for other AAC schools as well. Their numbers would look better in that they’d be leading either league, but ECU isn’t going to make more money outside the AAC. For many G5s 35k+ would be a banner, if not historic, year. They’ve got a good base that hasn’t given up on them. All they need is to start winning. Their “floor” is a lot higher than most G5s. Of course, this is just my opinion.

UAB? hogwash! It's clearly Georgia State, the best team in the peach state! (/sarcasm obviously...)

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

Fine in the context of the post subject. They would not be better off in either CUSA/SBC or some mishmash...which goes for other AAC schools as well. Their numbers would look better in that they’d be leading either league, but ECU isn’t going to make more money outside the AAC. For many G5s 35k+ would be a banner, if not historic, year. They’ve got a good base that hasn’t given up on them. All they need is to start winning. Their “floor” is a lot higher than most G5s. Of course, this is just my opinion.

Well, I thought we were talking about football, not the whole athletic program. Obviously, ECU will make a lot more money as an athletic program in the AAC than in CUSA.

But the football program is worse off in the AAC. Attendance is way down, by well over 10,000 fans in the stands, and even adjusting for competition, the team is worse. E.g., I just did a random comparison of two years, 2017 in the AAC and 2012 in CUSA. The computers say 2012 ECU was the #75 team, the 2017 team was the #109 team. In five years in the AAC, East Carolina has gone to one bowl game and lost it. Their last five years in CUSA, they went to four bowl games and won two.

In CUSA they didn't make any money but the fans were happy, they won games, and even went to and won bowl games. None of that is happening in the AAC.

Withering .....

Quote:Alabama:
Huntsville and Montgomery they do not have yet.

LOL, Alabama and Auburn deliver every single market in the state including Mobile, which is the most distant from them. Auburn is a stone's throw from Montgomery.

Quote:Arkansas The Hogs don't own the whole state, but State is kinda close to Memphis.

That is positively laughable. Anywhere you go in the state is decked out in Razorback red. A-State is a little blip in Jonesboro, and I doubt State owns the majority of that very small market. Nor does UALR own Little Rock for that matter.

Quote:Florida is locked down except for the town Florida Tech is in.

Melbourne is in the Orlando TV market. UCF territory along with UF and FSU.

Quote:Georgia you still have Albany, Columbus, Savannah and Valdosta with a large population.

UGA owns the entire state including those.

It isn't necessary to have a school in every metro area to own that area.

(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

It’s not like they haven’t won a championship in a league competing against 7 of these same teams. They need to make the right hire a coach and they will be fine. They were fine under Ruffin—-Canning him was probably an unforced error.

(10-29-2019 10:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

It’s not like they haven’t won a championship in a league competing against 7 of these same teams. They need to make the right hire a coach and they will be fine.

ECU just made a bad coaching hire. Things have gotten tougher with more recruiting competition in their area thanks to ODU, App State, and Coastal Carolina, but the reality is that a good coach will win there. We're already seeing a lot of improvement with Mike Houston imo.

A good coach at ECU would awaken a scary beast.

It's gonna be UAB ... and just in time to open their brand new football stadium, increasing their attendance dramatically.

And when UAB starts competing for football championships from day one, it will become clear why there was so much angst over their addition.

(10-29-2019 10:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

It’s not like they haven’t won a championship in a league competing against 7 of these same teams. They need to make the right hire a coach and they will be fine. They were fine under Ruffin—-Canning him was probably an unforced error.

Problem is, they are shooting at moving targets. Programs like UCF and Houston aren't the same as the ones they beat out 10 years ago. Those programs have thrived in the AAC, ECU hasn't.

Different conferences provide different configurations of opportunities, some of which fit a given school better than others.

(10-29-2019 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:56 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This, ECU is averaging over 35k in the midst of a down period. Granted, they aren’t leading the way in the AAC. However, in the other listed conferences, they’d be at the top...by a wide margin. They’ll be fine.

Let's face it: As an AAC member, ECU in football has been like UConn in basketball - it is withering on the vine. Everything about ECU football, from attendance to results on the field, has significantly diminished since joining the AAC.

Problem is, unlike UConn basketball, ECU football has no place to go, so they are stuck.

IMO, saying "they will be fine" when they have shown no evidence of being able to thrive in the AAC is being unduly optimistic.

Fine in the context of the post subject. They would not be better off in either CUSA/SBC or some mishmash...which goes for other AAC schools as well. Their numbers would look better in that they’d be leading either league, but ECU isn’t going to make more money outside the AAC. For many G5s 35k+ would be a banner, if not historic, year. They’ve got a good base that hasn’t given up on them. All they need is to start winning. Their “floor” is a lot higher than most G5s. Of course, this is just my opinion.

Well, I thought we were talking about football, not the whole athletic program. Obviously, ECU will make a lot more money as an athletic program in the AAC than in CUSA.

But the football program is worse off in the AAC. Attendance is way down, by well over 10,000 fans in the stands, and even adjusting for competition, the team is worse. E.g., I just did a random comparison of two years, 2017 in the AAC and 2012 in CUSA. The computers say 2012 ECU was the #75 team, the 2017 team was the #109 team. In five years in the AAC, East Carolina has gone to one bowl game and lost it. Their last five years in CUSA, they went to four bowl games and won two.

In CUSA they didn't make any money but the fans were happy, they won games, and even went to and won bowl games. None of that is happening in the AAC.

Withering .....

As a Memphis follower, I never count anyone out. Heck, I’m hoping to spot a “Tommy West was right” gameday sign.

If we lose to UAB at home in two weeks I will officially pull USM out of the running for any possible expansion. We have lost 7 of the last 8 to UAB, although 10-7 all time. It's those Dragons on the helmets, very intimidating.