(10-18-2019 01:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  A "wow" tidbit about the new LA stadium, buried in an article about a possible 17-game regular season:

Quote:One key issue that has arisen, sources said, is the cost of the new Rams and Chargers stadium in Los Angeles. Initial cost projections for that stadium were around $2.5 billion, but according to sources, costs are now projected to exceed $5 billion.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2787...rt-new-cba

Can't say I'm surprised to see a SoCal construction project underestimated, but double? Wow indeed.

(10-18-2019 01:05 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  A "wow" tidbit about the new LA stadium, buried in an article about a possible 17-game regular season:

Quote:One key issue that has arisen, sources said, is the cost of the new Rams and Chargers stadium in Los Angeles. Initial cost projections for that stadium were around $2.5 billion, but according to sources, costs are now projected to exceed $5 billion.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2787...rt-new-cba

Can't say I'm surprised to see a SoCal construction project underestimated, but double? Wow indeed.

M-B Stadium in Atlanta, Jerry World and MetLife in NYC all had significant cost overruns as well. Considering the ambitious design and the ancillary area development, $2.5B in California isn't that surprising. The fact that collectively the owners are trying to get the NLFPA to offset some of that overrun is BS.

(10-19-2019 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:05 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  A "wow" tidbit about the new LA stadium, buried in an article about a possible 17-game regular season:

Quote:One key issue that has arisen, sources said, is the cost of the new Rams and Chargers stadium in Los Angeles. Initial cost projections for that stadium were around $2.5 billion, but according to sources, costs are now projected to exceed $5 billion.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2787...rt-new-cba

Can't say I'm surprised to see a SoCal construction project underestimated, but double? Wow indeed.

M-B Stadium in Atlanta, Jerry World and MetLife in NYC all had significant cost overruns as well. Considering the ambitious design and the ancillary area development, $2.5B in California isn't that surprising. The fact that collectively the owners are trying to get the NLFPA to offset some of that overrun is BS.

As an ex-Rams fan, imagine my sorrow at learning that Kroenke will be out a few more billion for his little palace.

(10-20-2019 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:05 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  A "wow" tidbit about the new LA stadium, buried in an article about a possible 17-game regular season:

Quote:One key issue that has arisen, sources said, is the cost of the new Rams and Chargers stadium in Los Angeles. Initial cost projections for that stadium were around $2.5 billion, but according to sources, costs are now projected to exceed $5 billion.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2787...rt-new-cba

Can't say I'm surprised to see a SoCal construction project underestimated, but double? Wow indeed.

M-B Stadium in Atlanta, Jerry World and MetLife in NYC all had significant cost overruns as well. Considering the ambitious design and the ancillary area development, $2.5B in California isn't that surprising. The fact that collectively the owners are trying to get the NLFPA to offset some of that overrun is BS.

As an ex-Rams fan, imagine my sorrow at learning that Kroenke will be out a few more billion for his little palace.

You'd have even more schadenfreude if you were an ex-Chargers fan.

Kroenke and Spanos are splitting the stadium costs. Kroenke will get a lot of money back from developing the land around the stadium. Spanos won't get any of that. And if the stadium costs turn out to be a big burden for the Chargers, consider that Kroenke offered to let the Chargers just pay rent to play in Inglewood, but Spanos chose the co-ownership option.

(10-20-2019 01:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You'd have even more schadenfreude if you were an ex-Chargers fan.

Kroenke and Spanos are splitting the stadium costs. Kroenke will get a lot of money back from developing the land around the stadium. Spanos won't get any of that. And if the stadium costs turn out to be a big burden for the Chargers, consider that Kroenke offered to let the Chargers just pay rent to play in Inglewood, but Spanos chose the co-ownership option.

What a mess. While Kroenke is a total dick for what he did to St. Louis (and I hope all his dirty laundry soon comes out in the pending lawsuit that's been going poorly for him thus far), I get that it made financial sense for him to move the Rams to LA. But Spanos and the Chargers to move to a city with no existing allegiance and an already shaky track record of pro football support? What a complete cluster-youknowwhat, especially with the stadium co-ownership you speak of coming to pass.

(10-20-2019 01:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:05 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  A "wow" tidbit about the new LA stadium, buried in an article about a possible 17-game regular season:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2787...rt-new-cba

Can't say I'm surprised to see a SoCal construction project underestimated, but double? Wow indeed.

M-B Stadium in Atlanta, Jerry World and MetLife in NYC all had significant cost overruns as well. Considering the ambitious design and the ancillary area development, $2.5B in California isn't that surprising. The fact that collectively the owners are trying to get the NLFPA to offset some of that overrun is BS.

As an ex-Rams fan, imagine my sorrow at learning that Kroenke will be out a few more billion for his little palace.

You'd have even more schadenfreude if you were an ex-Chargers fan.

Kroenke and Spanos are splitting the stadium costs. Kroenke will get a lot of money back from developing the land around the stadium. Spanos won't get any of that. And if the stadium costs turn out to be a big burden for the Chargers, consider that Kroenke offered to let the Chargers just pay rent to play in Inglewood, but Spanos chose the co-ownership option.

I didn’t think Spanos was on the hook for half of the construction. I know the cost overruns are all on Kroenke. But considering that Chargers PSL’s aren’t moving, it’s understandable why Stan is pissed since Dean is looking like the Billionaire equivalent of a section 8 tenant.

(10-21-2019 05:23 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 01:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 09:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 01:05 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Can't say I'm surprised to see a SoCal construction project underestimated, but double? Wow indeed.

M-B Stadium in Atlanta, Jerry World and MetLife in NYC all had significant cost overruns as well. Considering the ambitious design and the ancillary area development, $2.5B in California isn't that surprising. The fact that collectively the owners are trying to get the NLFPA to offset some of that overrun is BS.

As an ex-Rams fan, imagine my sorrow at learning that Kroenke will be out a few more billion for his little palace.

You'd have even more schadenfreude if you were an ex-Chargers fan.

Kroenke and Spanos are splitting the stadium costs. Kroenke will get a lot of money back from developing the land around the stadium. Spanos won't get any of that. And if the stadium costs turn out to be a big burden for the Chargers, consider that Kroenke offered to let the Chargers just pay rent to play in Inglewood, but Spanos chose the co-ownership option.

I didn’t think Spanos was on the hook for half of the construction. I know the cost overruns are all on Kroenke. But considering that Chargers PSL’s aren’t moving, it’s understandable why Stan is pissed since Dean is looking like the Billionaire equivalent of a section 8 tenant.

Spanos is on the hook for the amount agreed to in the Rams-Chargers stadium contract. The Chargers are paying $200 million the Chargers borrowed from the NFL, and the rest to be paid from Chargers PSL revenue (oops). Looks like you're right that the overruns are all on Kroenke and/or his partner in the development that doesn't include the stadium. The $5 billion figure appears to be the total development cost, not just the stadium.

Kroenke committed $1.6 billion of his own money (reportedly as "equity", which if accurate, reduces the Chargers or Spanos percentage of ownership), and there is a $2.25 billion line of credit used to pay ongoing construction costs for the project. Sponsorships, including $600 million over 20 years for naming rights, will go toward paying back the banks. (Bad news for fans of Coca-Cola products: Pepsi's sponsorship gives it exclusive non-alcoholic beverage rights.) Presumably, Kroenke's partner in the non-stadium part of the development is covering the costs that aren't covered by Kroenke or Spanos.

I found this article interesting on the Rams-Chargers current conflict on revenue. The Chargers are not co-owners. That implies that they are equal partners. They own a small percentage. The stadium project is Kroenke's while Spanos and the Chargers are basically hangers-on.

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/s...edicament/

1) The stadium was projected to cost $2.6 billion. Fortunately for Inglewood taxpayers, it’s a private deal so they’re not on the hook. But that also means we don’t know exactly how much it is costing. Reports have it at more than $5 billion.

2) To play there, the Chargers will pay $1 per year as part of a 20-year lease. The lease has TWO 10-year options the Chargers exclusively control. So, 40 years.

3) Both teams keep revenue from the games they host: tickets, parking, sponsorships, concessions, advertising, etc.

4) Each team took out a $200 million loan from the NFL. That $400 million goes to stadium construction.

5) For big-ticket items – naming rights, personal seat licenses, fancy corporate suites – each team gets an 18.75 percent cut. Remainder goes toward construction.

6) Neither team is required to sell PSLs. They can charge whatever they want.

7) Kroenke gets all non-football revenues. The Chargers have no role in the development of the 298 acres around the stadium.

8) The Rams bear all cost overruns with the stadium construction.

Kroenke will replace San Diego taxpayers as Spanos’ landlords but to a far greater degree. Like a kind of reluctant venture capitalist, he is floating the Spanos’ family enterprise and their multi-decade theory. Kroenke’s stadium is like one of those startup accelerators for the Chargers. Except the accelerator isn’t for an exciting, disruptive new technology conceived by young brainiacs. It’s for the Chargers.

Those are all the reasons Kroenke may be on edge.

I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

(10-27-2019 05:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

Nagy was hired because he told Bears ownership that he evaluated Trubisky as best QB in his draft class. He has been exposed for numerous flaws in recent weeks, and the schedule only gets tougher. He is as much to blame as Pace and Trubisky.

(10-27-2019 06:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

Nagy was hired because he told Bears ownership that he evaluated Trubisky as best QB in his draft class. He has been exposed for numerous flaws in recent weeks, and the schedule only gets tougher. He is as much to blame as Pace and Trubisky.

So he lied to get the job and stroked the egos of those who made a dumb pick.
But Nagy wouldn't be on the street for 5 minutes if he was let go. I would welcome his clock mismanagement in Atlanta. IMO, letting go of an offensive minded HC is a mistake in this era of the NFL.

(10-28-2019 01:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 06:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

Nagy was hired because he told Bears ownership that he evaluated Trubisky as best QB in his draft class. He has been exposed for numerous flaws in recent weeks, and the schedule only gets tougher. He is as much to blame as Pace and Trubisky.

So he lied to get the job and stroked the egos of those who made a dumb pick.
But Nagy wouldn't be on the street for 5 minutes if he was let go. I would welcome his clock mismanagement in Atlanta. IMO, letting go of an offensive minded HC is a mistake in this era of the NFL.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-of-field/

The heat is only getting hotter. Nagy didn't even know or ask his kicker where he preferred the ball to be kicked (especially after last year's debacle with Parkey).

Complete organizational failure this year, wasting the prime years of an elite, game-changing LB.

(10-29-2019 01:52 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 01:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 06:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

Nagy was hired because he told Bears ownership that he evaluated Trubisky as best QB in his draft class. He has been exposed for numerous flaws in recent weeks, and the schedule only gets tougher. He is as much to blame as Pace and Trubisky.

So he lied to get the job and stroked the egos of those who made a dumb pick.
But Nagy wouldn't be on the street for 5 minutes if he was let go. I would welcome his clock mismanagement in Atlanta. IMO, letting go of an offensive minded HC is a mistake in this era of the NFL.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-of-field/

The heat is only getting hotter. Nagy didn't even know or ask his kicker where he preferred the ball to be kicked (especially after last year's debacle with Parkey).

Complete organizational failure this year, wasting the prime years of an elite, game-changing LB.

i was wondering that....

(10-29-2019 01:52 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 01:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 06:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

Nagy was hired because he told Bears ownership that he evaluated Trubisky as best QB in his draft class. He has been exposed for numerous flaws in recent weeks, and the schedule only gets tougher. He is as much to blame as Pace and Trubisky.

So he lied to get the job and stroked the egos of those who made a dumb pick.
But Nagy wouldn't be on the street for 5 minutes if he was let go. I would welcome his clock mismanagement in Atlanta. IMO, letting go of an offensive minded HC is a mistake in this era of the NFL.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-of-field/

The heat is only getting hotter. Nagy didn't even know or ask his kicker where he preferred the ball to be kicked (especially after last year's debacle with Parkey).

Complete organizational failure this year, wasting the prime years of an elite, game-changing LB.

On top of all that, the Raiders have the Bears first round pick in 2020 from the Mack trade. That could be a top 15 pick.

(10-29-2019 01:52 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 01:06 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 06:00 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I said it in another thread last week, but no way Matt Nagy is not on the hot seat moving forward. His clock management and play calling, for the season, have been horrendous. I wouldn't be shocked if Ryan Pace also gets the slip at the end of the year. Trubisky will be gone, at least that much is a given.

Bears can’t fire Nagy without at least letting him work with a competent QB. While Pace picking Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson were still on the board is GM malfeasance, that has been his sole transgression.

Nagy was hired because he told Bears ownership that he evaluated Trubisky as best QB in his draft class. He has been exposed for numerous flaws in recent weeks, and the schedule only gets tougher. He is as much to blame as Pace and Trubisky.

So he lied to get the job and stroked the egos of those who made a dumb pick.
But Nagy wouldn't be on the street for 5 minutes if he was let go. I would welcome his clock mismanagement in Atlanta. IMO, letting go of an offensive minded HC is a mistake in this era of the NFL.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-of-field/

The heat is only getting hotter. Nagy didn't even know or ask his kicker where he preferred the ball to be kicked (especially after last year's debacle with Parkey).

Complete organizational failure this year, wasting the prime years of an elite, game-changing LB.

Ok, now that is an issue.

Other than Matt LaFleur (who'd I'd definitely make an exception for, since he inherited a proven, franchise QB), every single HC from this season's hiring cycle is struggling BAD. Zac Taylor are Brian Flores are combined 0-15; Bruce Arians, Adam Gase and Vic Fangio are combined 7-22; Kliff Kingsbury is at least 3-4-1, but he still has a losing record. Rough cycle for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see an impatient owner pull the plug on at least one of those coaches this offseason.

lol is this going to be every coach now?

(10-30-2019 01:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Other than Matt LaFleur (who'd I'd definitely make an exception for, since he inherited a proven, franchise QB), every single HC from this season's hiring cycle is struggling BAD. Zac Taylor are Brian Flores are combined 0-15; Bruce Arians, Adam Gase and Vic Fangio are combined 7-22; Kliff Kingsbury is at least 3-4-1, but he still has a losing record. Rough cycle for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see an impatient owner pull the plug on at least one of those coaches this offseason.

I'd hardly put Kingsbury in the same breath as the others...... Especially considering they're already better than they were last year at 3-13.

(11-01-2019 07:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2019 01:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Other than Matt LaFleur (who'd I'd definitely make an exception for, since he inherited a proven, franchise QB), every single HC from this season's hiring cycle is struggling BAD. Zac Taylor are Brian Flores are combined 0-15; Bruce Arians, Adam Gase and Vic Fangio are combined 7-22; Kliff Kingsbury is at least 3-4-1, but he still has a losing record. Rough cycle for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see an impatient owner pull the plug on at least one of those coaches this offseason.

I'd hardly put Kingsbury in the same breath as the others...... Especially considering they're already better than they were last year at 3-13.

Also, the reason most of those guys were hired is because the team was a dumpster fire at the time they were hired.

Obviously each of them was hired and is being paid millions to put out the dumpster fire, but even so it doesn't always get put out immediately.