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RE: New School maybe
Why keep non-football schools in the Sunbelt and Southland?
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RE: New School maybe
(08-19-2019 11:54 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 06:53 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 03:22 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  What is the athletic and football budgets for Cal Poly and Davis? Let's say they are thinking of moving up in football. Let's assume, that means they would have to leave the Big West.

So would each of those two schools increase their athletic and football budgets by at least 25% with the increased in scholarship and travel- since there will be no more bus trips to conference schools!

https://www.kcra.com/article/records-sac...s/26327042

Article on UC Davis’s and Sac St athletic budgets. UC Davis’s budget is almost three times higher than NC A&T, which just announced that it is considering going FBS. UC Davis and Cal Poly would need stadium expansions though, which are planned. UCDavis plays in an east coast field hockey conference with Stanford and Cal.

https://thespun.com/college-football/nor...otball-fbs

Cal Poly isn’t going anywhere unless they are forced by Sac and davis going FBS. CP has the highest mandatory campus fees of all 23 CSU’s (per ’18/19 academic year data) at $4074 which is almost double the next closest CSU (Sonoma State at $2056/year). Sac State’s is at $1568, 9th highest of the 23 CSU’s. San Jose has the highest fess of the FBS CSU’s at $2054, Fresno the lowest at $845.

To put it bluntly, CP can’t/shouldn’t afford the increased fees associated with supporting more scholarships at the FBS level. Also their stadium is locked in with surrounding infrastructure so any expansion in its current location will be very costly and not add many seats.

On the other hand, Sac State can absorb a fee increase for FBS and a fee associated with an on-campus events center if/when needed.

Cal Poly seems more like the next target for dropping football IMO. Of course, they're already in the Big West and aren't going anywhere else.

Observation about Sac State: didn't the student rec center proposal that was voted in several years ago include an arena? It's my understanding that this was true, and then arena funds were diverted to something else. Maybe I'm wrong.

Thing is, does Sac State have the will to vote for such a thing?

Portland State got a downscaled arena done without going to students... because that would have failed at the ballot. At least it's not to the point where the students actively want to dismantle football instead of just passive-aggressively ignore it.
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RE: New School maybe
To avoid adding other off topic info to the Tarleton State fee thread, I thought this would be good here.

The below article references how the LSC actually broke the news of Tarleton State leaving for D1 membership. The schools president, James Hurley, adds:

“The WAC didn’t break it, we didn’t break it, it came from the Lone Star Conference because they are upset we are leaving,” Hurley said. “They are losing their flagship institution, and what’s going to happen is there are more institutions…that want to go with us, really good institutions. I think they are starting to panic a little.”

So take that for what it’s worth..

http://texannews.net/lone-star-conferenc...-one-news/
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RE: New School maybe
(10-19-2019 05:40 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  To avoid adding other off topic info to the Tarleton State fee thread, I thought this would be good here.

The below article references how the LSC actually broke the news of Tarleton State leaving for D1 membership. The schools president, James Hurley, adds:

“The WAC didn’t break it, we didn’t break it, it came from the Lone Star Conference because they are upset we are leaving,” Hurley said. “They are losing their flagship institution, and what’s going to happen is there are more institutions…that want to go with us, really good institutions. I think they are starting to panic a little.”

So take that for what it’s worth..

http://texannews.net/lone-star-conferenc...-one-news/

This might be the first relevant, legitimately sourced information shared on this thread in the last 6 months. Thanks, Josh!
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No problem at all. Hope there’s some truth to his words, and we’ll see some additional movement over the next year. As long as the membership is staggered, then there’s no scheduling issues as a D1 counter. Next year will be tricky, and teams will likely need a waiver since Dixie State and Tarleton State will take up the allowed four non-D1 opponents, which includes exhibitions. Doable though.
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RE: New School maybe
(10-19-2019 05:40 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  To avoid adding other off topic info to the Tarleton State fee thread, I thought this would be good here.

The below article references how the LSC actually broke the news of Tarleton State leaving for D1 membership. The schools president, James Hurley, adds:

“The WAC didn’t break it, we didn’t break it, it came from the Lone Star Conference because they are upset we are leaving,” Hurley said. “They are losing their flagship institution, and what’s going to happen is there are more institutions…that want to go with us, really good institutions. I think they are starting to panic a little.”

So take that for what it’s worth..

http://texannews.net/lone-star-conferenc...-one-news/

Really good stuff, Josh. Sources and everything!
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RE: New School maybe
The LSC had 19 teams, let me look at them and see the likelihood of each schools D1 chances

Angelo St - possible.
Arkansas-Fort Smith - not happening
Cameron - no way
Dallas Baptist - they play D1 baseball, ex-WAC, but I don't see it
ENMU - no way
Lubbock Christian - no way
Midwestern State - highly unlikely
Oklahoma Christian - no way
St Edwards - unlikely
St Mary's - unlikely
Commerce - possible
TAMU-International - no way
TAMU-Kingsville - possible
UTPB - unlikely
Texas Womans - nope
UT-Tyler- no way
WTAMU - possible
WNMU - no way

So basically we have Angelo St, Commerce, Kingsville, and West Texas, the ones with the largest enrollments. Aside from the re-alignment yahoos on here, is there any real evidence that any of these schools are even interested in D1?
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RE: New School maybe
(10-19-2019 10:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The LSC had 19 teams, let me look at them and see the likelihood of each schools D1 chances

Angelo St - possible.
Arkansas-Fort Smith - not happening
Cameron - no way
Dallas Baptist - they play D1 baseball, ex-WAC, but I don't see it
ENMU - no way
Lubbock Christian - no way
Midwestern State - highly unlikely
Oklahoma Christian - no way
St Edwards - unlikely
St Mary's - unlikely
Commerce - possible
TAMU-International - no way
TAMU-Kingsville - possible
UTPB - unlikely
Texas Womans - nope
UT-Tyler- no way
WTAMU - possible
WNMU - no way

So basically we have Angelo St, Commerce, Kingsville, and West Texas, the ones with the largest enrollments. Aside from the re-alignment yahoos on here, is there any real evidence that any of these schools are even interested in D1?

Angelo considered the options in 2011 and decided at that time that D2 was best for them
Source - https://www.angelo.edu/content/news/1053...-athletics

WT hasnt conducted a study but their leadership has been adamant that they want to be a premier D2 school like Grand Valley State.
Source - Looking for source, but it is a comment repeated WT people on the D2board

Kingsville has been a dumpster fire athletically for the past 10 years.While Tarleton, WT, and Commerce have committed to building better facilities and increasing Athletic Spending Kingsville has not.
.... In 2016 local state legislature members suggested merging A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus Christi (30 minutes away) to a single university like UTRGV coming out of UTPA and UT-Brownsville. It was shot down then. However, if Kingsville were left on an island without Tarleton, WT, and Commerce maybe they would consider it.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/10/...gsville-a/

Commerce hasnt made any statements either direction
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RE: New School maybe
(10-19-2019 10:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  The LSC had 19 teams, let me look at them and see the likelihood of each schools D1 chances

Angelo St - possible.
Arkansas-Fort Smith - not happening
Cameron - no way
Dallas Baptist - they play D1 baseball, ex-WAC, but I don't see it
ENMU - no way
Lubbock Christian - no way
Midwestern State - highly unlikely
Oklahoma Christian - no way
St Edwards - unlikely
St Mary's - unlikely
Commerce - possible
TAMU-International - no way
TAMU-Kingsville - possible
UTPB - unlikely
Texas Womans - nope
UT-Tyler- no way
WTAMU - possible
WNMU - no way

So basically we have Angelo St, Commerce, Kingsville, and West Texas, the ones with the largest enrollments. Aside from the re-alignment yahoos on here, is there any real evidence that any of these schools are even interested in D1?

Just wondering, why do you think Midwestern State is “highly unlikely”? Is it due to the school’s relatively small enrollment of 6K? They nonetheless seem to have good fan support since they average nearly 8K attendance at home football games.
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RE: New School maybe
There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.
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(10-20-2019 03:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.

What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.
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(10-20-2019 04:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 03:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.

What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance they add football.
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(10-20-2019 10:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 04:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 03:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.

What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance they add football.
So you say there's a chance?
All joking aside, there is zero chance GCU adds football as long as the current administration is in place.
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(10-20-2019 10:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 04:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 03:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.

What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance they add football.

Nope.
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(10-21-2019 12:43 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 10:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 04:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 03:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.

What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance they add football.

Nope.

GCU doesn't need or want football. It is using Gonzaga as their blueprint.
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(10-21-2019 12:54 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 12:43 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 10:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 04:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 03:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  There are not a lot of good options from the Lone Star Conference, but if I had to pick one it would be West Texas A&M. They have ranked 3rd in the D2 Learfield Cup Standings the past two years. WTM was ranked #14 in D2 basketball attendance at 1,480 fans per game last season. Their arena can seat 5,800.

Beyond that, if the WAC gets WTM, that could convince ACU to leave the Southland for the WAC, to form a WAC FCS football conference. Maybe even UIW thinks about joining. If the WAC wants to bring back football, they are going to need to convince some D1 schools to make the move.

What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance they add football.

Nope.

GCU doesn't need or want football. It is using Gonzaga as their blueprint.

Really? That's the first Ive heard of that...oh wait, Dan Majerle says that in every interview for the last 6 years...I forgot.
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(10-21-2019 10:33 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 12:54 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 12:43 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 10:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 04:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  What's the chance that Grand Canyon adds football? They can certainly afford it.

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance they add football.

Nope.

GCU doesn't need or want football. It is using Gonzaga as their blueprint.

Really? That's the first Ive heard of that...oh wait, Dan Majerle says that in every interview for the last 6 years...I forgot.

They did just become eligible for the NCAAs within the last couple years...
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I am actually curious how GCU football would appear.
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With the fan base they have football would be great at GCU. I'm being serious.
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(10-21-2019 08:51 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  With the fan base they have football would be great at GCU. I'm being serious.

Agreed. If/When the WAC goes FCS they would be a good edition to attendance. Hell I bet they would get some good recruits. Hope this does happen.
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