Quote:There is no way for another trader, let alone an outsider such as me, to know who is making these trades. But regulators know or can find out. One longtime CME trader who has been watching with disgust says he’s never seen anything quite like these trades, not at least since al-Qaida cashed in before initiating the September 11 attacks. “There is definite hanky-panky going on, to the world’s financial markets’ detriment,” he says. “This is abysmal.”

THE FANTASTICALLY PROFITABLE MYSTERY OF THE TRUMP CHAOS TRADES

What does this have to do with Trump?

FFS.....

(10-17-2019 09:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  What does this have to do with Trump?

Orange man bad?

(10-17-2019 10:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 09:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  What does this have to do with Trump?

Orange man bad?

That and the dow is still over 27K.

This piece is written by someone who does not understand financial markets.

Financial markets are gigantic. There's ALWAYS massive trades going on. Every single minute of every single day. Most of them are hedging positions - in other words, someone who made $180 million betting on the S&P (as the article claims) in one trade almost certainly was hedging another position that they took through another trader.

There's no way of knowing, of course. But this article's claim that the trader "knew" that the Iranians were about to attack the Saudis because Trump told him about it several hours ahead of time? This author expects me to believe that 1) US intelligence discovered that Iranian drones were being prepped for an attack on Saudi Arabia, 2) Rather than tell the Saudis (who they coordinate with daily), the CIA/DOD decided to send it up the chain of command instead, 3) When the information got to Trump, instead of warning the Saudis or activating US military assets to intercept the drones, Trump decided to make a call to one of his trading buddies, and 4) His buddy decided to make an unhedged bet on S&P 500 futures over the entire weekend, taking the risk that he might lose hundreds of millions of dollars if some good news is also released any time over the next three days that causes stock markets to go up.

That's a conspiracy theory on the level of Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer.

*edit* - oh, and the author expects me to also believe that the only way we found out about this series of events was through stock trades in Chicago. In other words, hundreds of people who work in US intelligence, the US military chain of command, and the notoriously leaky Trump White House all kept their mouths shut about a President allowing a military strike on a close US ally.

(10-17-2019 10:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This piece is written by someone who does not understand financial markets.

Financial markets are gigantic. There's ALWAYS massive trades going on. Every single minute of every single day. Most of them are hedging positions - in other words, someone who made $180 million betting on the S&P (as the article claims) in one trade almost certainly was hedging another position that they took through another trader.

There's no way of knowing, of course. But this article's claim that the trader "knew" that the Iranians were about to attack the Saudis because Trump told him about it several hours ahead of time? This author expects me to believe that 1) US intelligence discovered that Iranian drones were being prepped for an attack on Saudi Arabia, 2) Rather than tell the Saudis (who they coordinate with daily), the CIA/DOD decided to send it up the chain of command instead, 3) When the information got to Trump, instead of warning the Saudis or activating US military assets to intercept the drones, Trump decided to make a call to one of his trading buddies, and 4) His buddy decided to make an unhedged bet on S&P 500 futures over the entire weekend, taking the risk that he might lose hundreds of millions of dollars if some good news is also released any time over the next three days that causes stock markets to go up.

That's a conspiracy theory on the level of Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer.

Doesn't matter, if it's on the internet and alleges something against Trump it MUST be true and the POTUS haters will run with it. Example this thread.

(10-17-2019 10:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This piece is written by someone who does not understand financial markets.

Financial markets are gigantic. There's ALWAYS massive trades going on. Every single minute of every single day. Most of them are hedging positions - in other words, someone who made $180 million betting on the S&P (as the article claims) in one trade almost certainly was hedging another position that they took through another trader.

There's no way of knowing, of course. But this article's claim that the trader "knew" that the Iranians were about to attack the Saudis because Trump told him about it several hours ahead of time? This author expects me to believe that 1) US intelligence discovered that Iranian drones were being prepped for an attack on Saudi Arabia, 2) Rather than tell the Saudis (who they coordinate with daily), the CIA/DOD decided to send it up the chain of command instead, 3) When the information got to Trump, instead of warning the Saudis or activating US military assets to intercept the drones, Trump decided to make a call to one of his trading buddies, and 4) His buddy decided to make an unhedged bet on S&P 500 futures over the entire weekend, taking the risk that he might lose hundreds of millions of dollars if some good news is also released any time over the next three days that causes stock markets to go up.

That's a conspiracy theory on the level of Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer.

Wait, what? he wasn't??

Sincerely,

RWT, CB, Marc, Ohio, Ft. Bend, etal

(10-17-2019 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:There is no way for another trader, let alone an outsider such as me, to know who is making these trades. But regulators know or can find out. One longtime CME trader who has been watching with disgust says he’s never seen anything quite like these trades, not at least since al-Qaida cashed in before initiating the September 11 attacks. “There is definite hanky-panky going on, to the world’s financial markets’ detriment,” he says. “This is abysmal.”

THE FANTASTICALLY PROFITABLE MYSTERY OF THE TRUMP CHAOS TRADES

Mach III

And what if the info was wrong? Does the author reveal how much money would have been lost if the so-called insider info was bad?

Perhaps the author should do some research on that very topic. Fortunately, there is a direct case study in which to learn from. Chelsea Clintons baby daddy ran a hedge fund. Sydney Blumenthal sent word to Hillary that the EU was about to bail out Greece. If true, Greek stocks and investments would skyrocket. Chelsea Clintons baby daddy then got a group of investors to invest heavily in a greek recovery. Of course, how would Chlsea Clintons baby daddy know anything about the greek economy recovering? And why would those investors ever invest so heavily in investments that were in the toilet, yet seemed certain to go even lower?

Its almost as if someone told them that the greeks were about to get a bailout.

Funny thing about insider information; if you use it, you can take it in the ass if its not any good. And the investors who took that insider info took it in the ass big time. Well done, Chelsea Clintons baby daddy. If I were those investors, I would have sued his ass big time. Well, except that I willingly took action on insider information, and I would also be guilty. So it was kind of like the perfect crime for Chelseas baby daddy. If it works, he gets wealthy. If it doesnt, noone will bat an eye, because they cant.

Interestingly enough, Chelsea Clintons baby daddy shut his investment firm down when it was clear he would be getting no more useful information. (One month after the 2016 election)

Chelseas baby daddy has great ancestry ties to this as well. His own daddy spent 5 years in prison when he bilked investors in a ponzi scheme.

(10-17-2019 10:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This piece is written by someone who does not understand financial markets.

Financial markets are gigantic. There's ALWAYS massive trades going on. Every single minute of every single day. Most of them are hedging positions - in other words, someone who made $180 million betting on the S&P (as the article claims) in one trade almost certainly was hedging another position that they took through another trader.

There's no way of knowing, of course. But this article's claim that the trader "knew" that the Iranians were about to attack the Saudis because Trump told him about it several hours ahead of time? This author expects me to believe that 1) US intelligence discovered that Iranian drones were being prepped for an attack on Saudi Arabia, 2) Rather than tell the Saudis (who they coordinate with daily), the CIA/DOD decided to send it up the chain of command instead, 3) When the information got to Trump, instead of warning the Saudis or activating US military assets to intercept the drones, Trump decided to make a call to one of his trading buddies, and 4) His buddy decided to make an unhedged bet on S&P 500 futures over the entire weekend, taking the risk that he might lose hundreds of millions of dollars if some good news is also released any time over the next three days that causes stock markets to go up.

That's a conspiracy theory on the level of Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer.

*edit* - oh, and the author expects me to also believe that the only way we found out about this series of events was through stock trades in Chicago. In other words, hundreds of people who work in US intelligence, the US military chain of command, and the notoriously leaky Trump White House all kept their mouths shut about a President allowing a military strike on a close US ally.

It would take a seriously cracked mind to think anyone but the Iranians could have been involved in the first one.

But then, a lot of Democrats are seriously messed up in the head. The level of delusional, mental instability, sheer stupidity, lack of common sense, lack of critical thinking skills, is just off the charts. And not all of these people are millenials when the education system supposedly collapsed. Maybe the Cubans have attacked DC with a new sonic weapon emanating from the new Cuban embassy.

(10-17-2019 10:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This piece is written by someone who does not understand financial markets.

Financial markets are gigantic. There's ALWAYS massive trades going on. Every single minute of every single day. Most of them are hedging positions - in other words, someone who made $180 million betting on the S&P (as the article claims) in one trade almost certainly was hedging another position that they took through another trader.

There's no way of knowing, of course. But this article's claim that the trader "knew" that the Iranians were about to attack the Saudis because Trump told him about it several hours ahead of time? This author expects me to believe that 1) US intelligence discovered that Iranian drones were being prepped for an attack on Saudi Arabia, 2) Rather than tell the Saudis (who they coordinate with daily), the CIA/DOD decided to send it up the chain of command instead, 3) When the information got to Trump, instead of warning the Saudis or activating US military assets to intercept the drones, Trump decided to make a call to one of his trading buddies, and 4) His buddy decided to make an unhedged bet on S&P 500 futures over the entire weekend, taking the risk that he might lose hundreds of millions of dollars if some good news is also released any time over the next three days that causes stock markets to go up.

That's a conspiracy theory on the level of Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer.

*edit* - oh, and the author expects me to also believe that the only way we found out about this series of events was through stock trades in Chicago. In other words, hundreds of people who work in US intelligence, the US military chain of command, and the notoriously leaky Trump White House all kept their mouths shut about a President allowing a military strike on a close US ally.

About the author, from wiki:

Quote:William David Cohan is an American business writer. He was an investigative reporter for the Raleigh Times. He then worked on Wall Street for seventeen years as a mergers and acquisitions banker. He spent six years at Lazard Frères in New York, then Merrill Lynch, and later became a managing director at JP Morgan Chase. He also worked for two years at GE Capital. Cohan is a graduate of Duke University, Columbia University School of Journalism, and Columbia University Graduate School of Business. Since 2013, he has served as a trustee of the National Humanities Center in Research Triangle Park, NC.

(10-17-2019 10:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  This piece is written by someone who does not understand financial markets.

Financial markets are gigantic. There's ALWAYS massive trades going on. Every single minute of every single day. Most of them are hedging positions - in other words, someone who made $180 million betting on the S&P (as the article claims) in one trade almost certainly was hedging another position that they took through another trader.

There's no way of knowing, of course. But this article's claim that the trader "knew" that the Iranians were about to attack the Saudis because Trump told him about it several hours ahead of time? This author expects me to believe that 1) US intelligence discovered that Iranian drones were being prepped for an attack on Saudi Arabia, 2) Rather than tell the Saudis (who they coordinate with daily), the CIA/DOD decided to send it up the chain of command instead, 3) When the information got to Trump, instead of warning the Saudis or activating US military assets to intercept the drones, Trump decided to make a call to one of his trading buddies, and 4) His buddy decided to make an unhedged bet on S&P 500 futures over the entire weekend, taking the risk that he might lose hundreds of millions of dollars if some good news is also released any time over the next three days that causes stock markets to go up.

That's a conspiracy theory on the level of Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer.

*edit* - oh, and the author expects me to also believe that the only way we found out about this series of events was through stock trades in Chicago. In other words, hundreds of people who work in US intelligence, the US military chain of command, and the notoriously leaky Trump White House all kept their mouths shut about a President allowing a military strike on a close US ally.

Talk about kooky conspiracy theories.

Why does Tom hate America so much?

a vanity fair article? bahahahahahahahahaha!!! thats worse than the onion!

(10-17-2019 10:49 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why does Tom hate America so much?

He likes pissing into the wind.

(10-17-2019 11:15 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:49 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why does Tom hate America so much?

He likes pissing into the wind.

I prefer "jousting at windmills"; however, pissing in the wind conveys the D's actions since 2016 just as well.

(10-17-2019 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:There is no way for another trader, let alone an outsider such as me, to know who is making these trades. But regulators know or can find out. One longtime CME trader who has been watching with disgust says he’s never seen anything quite like these trades, not at least since al-Qaida cashed in before initiating the September 11 attacks. “There is definite hanky-panky going on, to the world’s financial markets’ detriment,” he says. “This is abysmal.”

THE FANTASTICALLY PROFITABLE MYSTERY OF THE TRUMP CHAOS TRADES

You would blast any conservative who posted something like this. In fact, you have on multiple occasions. Hypocrite.

(10-17-2019 10:56 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  a vanity fair article? bahahahahahahahahaha!!! thats worse than the onion!

Yet he blasts everyone else's links.

(10-17-2019 10:56 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  a vanity fair article? bahahahahahahahahaha!!! thats worse than the onion!

So, Tom gets his info on the stock markets from a magazine that can also tell you which tampon is the most recommended.