I find all the MSM interest in Turkey humorous. I can guarantee 95% of the people listening have no clue as to the Turkey/PKK history. All those listeners care about is bad man Trump. It is entirely rational that a group that has helped us has also caused terror on someone else. Why is that so hard to understand? I get it that neither side is innocent and Erdrogen seems like an a$$; however, that doesn't negate that fact that the PKK has been terrorizing Turkey for decades and some of the same soldiers that helped us with ISIS are the same soldiers carrying out attacks inside Turkey.
(This post was last modified: 10-10-2019 08:08 AM by VA49er.)
(10-10-2019 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote: I find all the MSM interest in Turkey humerous. I can guarantee 95% of the people listening have no clue as to the Turkey/PKK history. All those listeners care about is bad man Trump. It is entirely rational that a group that has helped us has also caused terror on someone else. Why is that so hard to understand? I get it that neither side is innocent and Erdrogen seems like an a$$; however, that doesn't negate that fact that the PKK has been terrorizing Turkey for decades and some of the same soldiers that helped us with ISIS are the same soldiers carrying out attacks inside Turkey.
We all know if Hillary had won and made this same move the MSM would screaming for her to get a noble peace prize for it.
(10-10-2019 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote: I find all the MSM interest in Turkey humorous. I can guarantee 95% of the people listening have no clue as to the Turkey/PKK history. All those listeners care about is bad man Trump. It is entirely rational that a group that has helped us has also caused terror on someone else. Why is that so hard to understand? I get it that neither side is innocent and Erdrogen seems like an a$$; however, that doesn't negate that fact that the PKK has been terrorizing Turkey for decades and some of the same soldiers that helped us with ISIS are the same soldiers carrying out attacks inside Turkey.
This. The area is a mess. There are no good answers there. There are only bad choices and less bad choices.
(10-09-2019 10:30 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: This is seriously no different than Obama allowing Putin to brutally take the Crimean Peninsula.
Yep, you like it when Trump does it and hate it when Obama did it because it’s ‘your side’ doing it...America is gonna keep on Americaning no matter who’s living in the White House.
Now we are not saying Armageddon is next week, but Armageddon is the peak/end game of this Gog-Magog invasion on Israel from the north (Syria). This political conflict/stage setting could rage on for several years then the war rage on for a few years. Or it could all develop withing 12-18 months or so. We really don't know the exact time frame, its not alluded to in the text. All we know is for the first time since these things were written 2600 years ago, the stage and board is set just as predicted by God.
There was no Israel for 2000 years, and even 600 years previous that Israel was a conquered occupied nation. So its not even been possible for 2600 years until 1948 AD. There was no Israel for 2000 years so these chapters seemed like gibberish for almost 20 centuries until Israel suddenly was reborn as a nation in 1948 thanks to the holocaust and WW2.
Ezekiel 36-37 is a detailed description of Israel returning to the land after many generations of being scattered into all nations and the land being desolate and barren for many centuries. Even their return and existence today is an amazing witness that the Bible is not man made but God breathed. No other nation has ever returned after being totally destroyed (70 AD), much less 2000 years later, much less with the entire event predicted in full detail 2600 years out. And they are still very secular and rejecting Jesus, just as the Old Testament predicted. And Jerusalem is at the center of middle east conflict, just as predicted. They can't come to any agreement over it.
Chapters 38-39 are a detailed description of this invasion, the climax and the immediate aftermath. The text points to what we call today Russia, Turkey and Iran leading a group of nations including several northern African Muslim nations in a war on Israel from the north. Because of the Syrian civil war we now have the Russian, Iranian and Turkish military all in Syria and engaged in a political agreement bewtween the 3. And we have recent major natural gas and oil finds in and around Israel and just off the coast, and several other major geo-political and religious aspects all converging at once.
Now we are not saying Armageddon is next week, but Armageddon is the peak/end game of this Gog-Magog invasion on Israel from the north (Syria). This political conflict/stage setting could rage on for several years then the war rage on for a few years. Or it could all develop withing 12-18 months or so. We really don't know the exact time frame, its not alluded to in the text. All we know is for the first time since these things were written 2600 years ago, the stage and board is set just as predicted by God.
There was no Israel for 2000 years, and even 600 years previous that Israel was a conquered occupied nation. So its not even been possible for 2600 years until 1948 AD. There was no Israel for 2000 years so these chapters seemed like gibberish for almost 20 centuries until Israel suddenly was reborn as a nation in 1948 thanks to the holocaust and WW2.
Ezekiel 36-37 is a detailed description of Israel returning to the land after many generations of being scattered into all nations and the land being desolate and barren for many centuries. Even their return and existence today is an amazing witness that the Bible is not man made but God breathed. No other nation has ever returned after being totally destroyed (70 AD), much less 2000 years later, much less with the entire event predicted in full detail 2600 years out. And they are still very secular and rejecting Jesus, just as the Old Testament predicted. And Jerusalem is at the center of middle east conflict, just as predicted. They can't come to any agreement over it.
Chapters 38-39 are a detailed description of this invasion, the climax and the immediate aftermath. The text points to what we call today Russia, Turkey and Iran leading a group of nations including several northern African Muslim nations in a war on Israel from the north. Because of the Syrian civil war we now have the Russian, Iranian and Turkish military all in Syria and engaged in a political agreement bewtween the 3. And we have recent major natural gas and oil finds in and around Israel and just off the coast, and several other major geo-political and religious aspects all converging at once.
(10-10-2019 10:33 AM)bullet Wrote: Think it was Golda Meier used to say, "Moses wasn't that great. He picked the one spot in the Middle East without oil."
Yep. Oh how the tables have turned.
Man always thinks he knows more than God, and always gets proved dramatically wrong.
(10-10-2019 10:33 AM)bullet Wrote: Think it was Golda Meier used to say, "Moses wasn't that great. He picked the one spot in the Middle East without oil."
Yep. Oh how the tables have turned.
Man always thinks he knows more than God, and always gets proved dramatically wrong.
that's my problem with religion. the priests, popes, rabis, bishops, cardinals, imams, etc are all of mankind and man is flawed. You believe the bible is gods word...I believe man got hold of it and screwed it up through interpretations, translations, omissions, additions, opinions, etc. It's why I'll never trust organized religion. Whatever god is, we're not made to understand it and i'm OK with that.
(10-10-2019 10:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: that's my problem with religion. the priests, popes, rabis, bishops, cardinals, imams, etc are all of mankind and man is flawed. You believe the bible is gods word...I believe man got hold of it and screwed it up through interpretations, translations, omissions, additions, opinions, etc. It's why I'll never trust organized religion. Whatever god is, we're not made to understand it and i'm OK with that.
That is the whole point of Christianity. Man is flawed and we need a Savior.
I don't have enough blind faith to just make up my own truth and believe what makes me feel better. I tried that for almost 40 years and it just doesn't work for me.
If it was all about blind faith, I would have never become a Christian after that many years.
(This post was last modified: 10-10-2019 01:53 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
(10-10-2019 10:33 AM)bullet Wrote: Think it was Golda Meier used to say, "Moses wasn't that great. He picked the one spot in the Middle East without oil."
Yep. Oh how the tables have turned.
Man always thinks he knows more than God, and always gets proved dramatically wrong.
that's my problem with religion. the priests, popes, rabis, bishops, cardinals, imams, etc are all of mankind and man is flawed. You believe the bible is gods word...I believe man got hold of it and screwed it up through interpretations, translations, omissions, additions, opinions, etc. It's why I'll never trust organized religion. Whatever god is, we're not made to understand it and i'm OK with that.
That is the whole point of Christianity. Man is flawed and we need a Savior.
I don't have enough blind faith to just make up my own truth and believe what makes me feel better. I tried that for almost 40 years and it just doesn't work for me.
If it was all about blind faith, I would have never become a Christian after that many years.
I simply said I don't think we're meant to understand our creator and I'm OK with that.