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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
(10-09-2019 07:55 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 07:50 AM)J Coog Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 02:49 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I’ve always wondered... if the ACC had taken WVU, would UL, UC and Memphis have all made it to the Big 12? I think it’s possible.

NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO. Big 12 Expansion was a sham and a charade, borderline fraud. They were never going to expand, regardless of candidates.

Uhhh… it wasn't a sham back when they let in TCU and WV.

The Big XII needed at least 2 more teams to have a chance of getting the rule changed to having a Conference Championship Game with 10 teams.

As soon as the NCAA approved the rule change expansion was over for the Big XII and the SUN BELT.

The SUN BELT even kicked out New Mexico State University and the University of Idaho to maximize revenue distribution and limit expenses.
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
(10-09-2019 07:30 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  For a month during the expansion craziness it looked like it was going to be something like...

Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

ACC didn’t move fast enough to add them. West Virginia is definitely a better fit in the ACC than the AAC however. Would be a better fit in the Big East football conference

The ACC never considered WVU. Maryland didnt leave the conference until November and thats when Louisville was added... WVU had already joined the Big 12 in October.

The people that screwed up were the Big 12. They should have grabbed Louisville and Cinci at the same time as WVU and gone to 12. Lville had almost gotten the nod over WVU and honestly I think part of their downfall was being in an ACC that has no real ties to them.

The ACC would have then been forced to do what it should have done which is to take Uconn, which would have kept them a power. Instead of the AAC getting a national championship under Uconn, it would have been the ACCs.

Given, if all that had happened, then I doubt Navy would have ever joined the AAC, so in total we would be down Cinci, Uconn and Navy... which then makes me wonder if Houston, SMU and Tulsa would have come over. I think there is a good chance at least 2 would have ended up in the MWC.

So many small changes would have dramatically changed how all this went down...

I am just pissed that Texas and OU didnt go to the PAC. If they had just gone along with Tech and OSU, then A&M along with Mizzou would be in the sec, which would have forced Kansas, Kstate and ISU to join the Big east... and we were adding TCU.

So, what we nearly had was a Big East that included Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Cinci, Lville, USF, TCU, Kansas, Kstate and ISU.... and the Big East Bball school would have never left... just needed texas to go to the PAC.
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
(10-09-2019 09:09 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 01:24 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I think they belong in the ACC. They fit better with Pitt VT Cuse Miami BC UVa and a bunch of NC schools than they do in the AAC.

How big do you want the ACC to be? For scheduling purpose and inter conference rivalry, 10 or 12 seems to be the ideal size for a conference.

Does a conference go to 4 divisions eventually?

That's a good question. I think if we ever go to a power 4 and the CFP become champions only, then ND will join the ACC. If WVU is available (which they would be if the B12 dissolved), I think the ACC would add WVU or Cincinnati with ND.

ND in the Coastal and WVU/Cincinnati in the Atlantic. 16 teams in 2 divisions requires a minimum of 9 conference games if you have 1 permanent rival in the other division. That's going to piss off Clemson and FSU; maybe GT and Louisville too. So, you may lose one or two of them. If it's only 1, I could see Cincinnati being added for the new populous state for instate rates on the ACCN.

I prefer 4 divisions of 4 with a championship game rule change. With that you still want to split up the NC schools because a NC division would be too weak. Other than that you go as regional as possible.

The 2 easy division are North and South:

North
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BC
Cuse
Pitt
WVU or Cincinnati

South
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Clemson
GT
FSU
Miami

then you want UVA with UNC and VT with UVA so:

East
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Duke
UNC
UVA
VT

and that leaves
West
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ND
Louisville
NCST
Wake Forest

Now that would never happen because ND has all the negotiating power and will want to set up their own division. But I won't ponder that probability

I think 10 teams for football and 11 for basketball is the ideal number for a conference. So 10 All sport members and 1 non-football member. That way you play every one in the conference and still can have a championship game and can have a round robin schedule in basketball with a 20 game schedule..
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
(10-09-2019 12:40 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  They seem like a better fit for our conference than the Big 12. I know they are getting paid considerably more now for being a Big 12 member, so I know it would never happen. But they just seem like they belong more with us.

Thoughts?

All my WVU buddies like the Money from the B12 but hate the lack of regional opponents and the ability to travel to multiple away games in all sports. Add to that the lack of historic tradition with the B12 teams. It's a fact!

In a perfect world, we could have WVU as #12 and we would all be making $32 Million+/season. Just saying.
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(10-09-2019 07:30 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  For a month during the expansion craziness it looked like it was going to be something like...

Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

ACC didn’t move fast enough to add them. West Virginia is definitely a better fit in the ACC than the AAC however. Would be a better fit in the Big East football conference

I remember that. That was when the BE and ACC were going to merge for football and keep their other sports in the ACC, Big East and Atlantic 10 respectively. That would have been horrible for VT because we would have been stuck in the A10 with no hope of getting out.
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
(10-09-2019 09:34 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 07:30 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  For a month during the expansion craziness it looked like it was going to be something like...

Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

ACC didn’t move fast enough to add them. West Virginia is definitely a better fit in the ACC than the AAC however. Would be a better fit in the Big East football conference

The ACC never considered WVU. Maryland didnt leave the conference until November and thats when Louisville was added... WVU had already joined the Big 12 in October.

The people that screwed up were the Big 12. They should have grabbed Louisville and Cinci at the same time as WVU and gone to 12. Lville had almost gotten the nod over WVU and honestly I think part of their downfall was being in an ACC that has no real ties to them.

The ACC would have then been forced to do what it should have done which is to take Uconn, which would have kept them a power. Instead of the AAC getting a national championship under Uconn, it would have been the ACCs.

Given, if all that had happened, then I doubt Navy would have ever joined the AAC, so in total we would be down Cinci, Uconn and Navy... which then makes me wonder if Houston, SMU and Tulsa would have come over. I think there is a good chance at least 2 would have ended up in the MWC.

So many small changes would have dramatically changed how all this went down...

I am just pissed that Texas and OU didnt go to the PAC. If they had just gone along with Tech and OSU, then A&M along with Mizzou would be in the sec, which would have forced Kansas, Kstate and ISU to join the Big east... and we were adding TCU.

So, what we nearly had was a Big East that included Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Cinci, Lville, USF, TCU, Kansas, Kstate and ISU.... and the Big East Bball school would have never left... just needed texas to go to the PAC.

ACC would have taken WVU or Rutgers over Louisville in a heartbeat if they were available post Maryland departure. By that time they were both off the table and Louisville was easily the pick. They didn’t move fast enough.
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
What’s crazy is if the ACC had taken UConn over Louisville. The America would still be at 12 and much better position with Louisville. However I imagine Houston, Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would have been in the Big 12 by now to be at 14 leaving us with only nine members and a very spread out conference.
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(10-09-2019 12:40 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  They seem like a better fit for our conference than the Big 12. I know they are getting paid considerably more now for being a Big 12 member, so I know it would never happen. But they just seem like they belong more with us.

Thoughts?

Well I wish Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia would join for an even 14.03-drunk
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
No "kind of" about it for me. I how Aresco is wearing out their phone. How much travel could they save? I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about time and trouble.

Hey, WV? How would y'all like to join a conference where you actually stand a chance, and simultaneously raise it to P6 status officially?
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(10-09-2019 10:06 AM)Pirate1989 Wrote:  All my WVU buddies like the Money from the B12 but hate the lack of regional opponents and the ability to travel to multiple away games in all sports. Add to that the lack of historic tradition with the B12 teams. It's a fact!

In a perfect world, we could have WVU as #12 and we would all be making $32 Million+/season. Just saying.

Watched the Texas/WVU game this weekend. Didn’t feel like a Big 12 matchup. Felt more like a non conference game.
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(10-09-2019 02:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  No "kind of" about it for me. I how Aresco is wearing out their phone. How much travel could they save? I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about time and trouble.

Hey, WV? How would y'all like to join a conference where you actually stand a chance, and simultaneously raise it to P6 status officially?

That’s about the same way I look at it.
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(10-09-2019 08:03 AM)panite Wrote:  I think they belong in the conference that wanted and paid them the most ergo the B-12 that took them and TCU after Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M left for greener pastures and to get away from Texas. 07-coffee3

Neither party really wanted each other, they needed each other. TCU fits there. WVU, not so much.
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(10-09-2019 05:01 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  ACC or SEC are a more natural fit for WVU. They have a SEC type fan base but the built in rivalries with the ACC in Football and Basketball make it seamless. ACC used Academics as an excuse of not inviting them last round but plugged their nose a bit with Louisville. WVU has a mandate to service the entire state of West Virginia so their scores get skewed a bit despite having some great programs. AAC is not an option as they will never leave the Big12 pay out $$$ unless it is for the ACC or SEC.

Neither of those conferences are going to expand any further. Expansion in the terms where everyone was talking previously about there being four super conferences in the future is not going to happen either. Big 12 is back on solid ground. Doubt there will be much movement at all with expansion. The AAC will eventually get a seat at the table if the schools stay united going forward.
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(10-09-2019 12:38 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What’s crazy is if the ACC had taken UConn over Louisville. The America would still be at 12 and much better position with Louisville. However I imagine Houston, Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would have been in the Big 12 by now to be at 14 leaving us with only nine members and a very spread out conference.

Louisville announced they were leaving the AAC BEFORE the ACC ever considered them.

UL would not have been part of the AAC.
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RE: Kind of wish West Virginia was in the AAC...
(10-09-2019 11:17 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:34 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 07:30 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  For a month during the expansion craziness it looked like it was going to be something like...

Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami

Virginia
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

ACC didn’t move fast enough to add them. West Virginia is definitely a better fit in the ACC than the AAC however. Would be a better fit in the Big East football conference

The ACC never considered WVU. Maryland didnt leave the conference until November and thats when Louisville was added... WVU had already joined the Big 12 in October.

The people that screwed up were the Big 12. They should have grabbed Louisville and Cinci at the same time as WVU and gone to 12. Lville had almost gotten the nod over WVU and honestly I think part of their downfall was being in an ACC that has no real ties to them.

The ACC would have then been forced to do what it should have done which is to take Uconn, which would have kept them a power. Instead of the AAC getting a national championship under Uconn, it would have been the ACCs.

Given, if all that had happened, then I doubt Navy would have ever joined the AAC, so in total we would be down Cinci, Uconn and Navy... which then makes me wonder if Houston, SMU and Tulsa would have come over. I think there is a good chance at least 2 would have ended up in the MWC.

So many small changes would have dramatically changed how all this went down...

I am just pissed that Texas and OU didnt go to the PAC. If they had just gone along with Tech and OSU, then A&M along with Mizzou would be in the sec, which would have forced Kansas, Kstate and ISU to join the Big east... and we were adding TCU.

So, what we nearly had was a Big East that included Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Cinci, Lville, USF, TCU, Kansas, Kstate and ISU.... and the Big East Bball school would have never left... just needed texas to go to the PAC.

ACC would have taken WVU or Rutgers over Louisville in a heartbeat if they were available post Maryland departure. By that time they were both off the table and Louisville was easily the pick. They didn’t move fast enough.

You cant act fast enough when there isnt a need. there was no open spot for WVU in the ACC until after they had joined the B12... and No, i dont think they would have taken them. The ACC is that much of an academic snob.... so is the Big 10 and Pac 12.
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(10-09-2019 12:38 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What’s crazy is if the ACC had taken UConn over Louisville. The America would still be at 12 and much better position with Louisville. However I imagine Houston, Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would have been in the Big 12 by now to be at 14 leaving us with only nine members and a very spread out conference.

Boston College has been adamently against adding Uconn an Cuse/Pitt dont want it either. Uconns decline has partially been because those two got into a better conference.

and no, Houston wouldnt be in the Big 12 if that happened. TCU, Tech and Baylor do not want to compete against Houston... they know they will suffer as Houston climbs. They will take Houston only if they have to... which happens only if texas leaves, or texas says houston is in.
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(10-09-2019 03:16 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 12:38 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What’s crazy is if the ACC had taken UConn over Louisville. The America would still be at 12 and much better position with Louisville. However I imagine Houston, Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would have been in the Big 12 by now to be at 14 leaving us with only nine members and a very spread out conference.

Louisville announced they were leaving the AAC BEFORE the ACC ever considered them.

UL would not have been part of the AAC.

And you believe that because Louisville is so trustworthy.
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(10-10-2019 10:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 03:16 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 12:38 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What’s crazy is if the ACC had taken UConn over Louisville. The America would still be at 12 and much better position with Louisville. However I imagine Houston, Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would have been in the Big 12 by now to be at 14 leaving us with only nine members and a very spread out conference.

Louisville announced they were leaving the AAC BEFORE the ACC ever [announced they would] considered them.

UL would not have been part of the AAC.

And you believe that because Louisville is so trustworthy.

There. I fixed it... 07-coffee3
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(10-10-2019 10:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 03:16 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 12:38 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What’s crazy is if the ACC had taken UConn over Louisville. The America would still be at 12 and much better position with Louisville. However I imagine Houston, Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would have been in the Big 12 by now to be at 14 leaving us with only nine members and a very spread out conference.

Louisville announced they were leaving the AAC BEFORE the ACC ever considered them.

UL would not have been part of the AAC.

And you believe that because Louisville is so trustworthy.

I believe it because UL filed their paperwork to leave the conference months before the ACC invited them...
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(10-09-2019 01:47 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 01:24 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I think they belong in the ACC. They fit better with Pitt VT Cuse Miami BC UVa and a bunch of NC schools than they do in the AAC.

They could fit in both actually. The ACC already has 14 members though. West Virginia would be a good 12th member for the AAC since we are losing UConn. They would also fit in the East Division for the AAC geographically.

Now, if you’re saying that because they are a P5 school, it’s only going to be a matter of time before the AAC is treated as an equal. The AAC is currently performing better that the ACC in football. Seven schools are currently in the top 40 RPI which matches SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12. So the AAC is in the mix. They fit the AAC well and would strengthen our brand. Just my thoughts.

The money gap aside, no one is going to leave a P5 conference to join the American no matter what the narrative is on competitiveness. West Virginia enjoys their home slate of opponents that can include Oklahoma, Texas, Okie St, Baylor, Texas Tech, et al., in any given year.
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