(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.
And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.
If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

(10-09-2019 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

Exactly.. If I had to take someone's word for something and my options were AFT, Mensa, CB, Owl#, Attackcoog, CGHawk, or even UTSAMarine, I'm going with Owl.

(10-09-2019 01:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

Exactly.. If I had to take someone's word for something and my options were AFT, Mensa, CB, Owl#, Attackcoog, CGHawk, or even UTSAMarine, I'm going with Owl.

It's the new reality for lots of people. If someone doesn't agree with them, then those that disagree are either "stupid" or "in the tank" or the ol' stand by, "racist". It's annoying to people that can take a helicopter view, remove themselves from the partisan nonsense, and give an objective view on a subject.

(10-09-2019 01:13 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

Exactly.. If I had to take someone's word for something and my options were AFT, Mensa, CB, Owl#, Attackcoog, CGHawk, or even UTSAMarine, I'm going with Owl.

It's the new reality for lots of people. If someone doesn't agree with them, then those that disagree are either "stupid" or "in the tank" or the ol' stand by, "racist". It's annoying to people that can take a helicopter view, remove themselves from the partisan nonsense, and give an objective view on a subject.

Unfortunately I feel like I've become bitter the last few years.. I used to be that guy, look at it from all angles and give a solid opinion or something I felt was non-partisan, but the libs in my personal life and the ones here have made me not want to agree with anything they post..

And I was even corrected last week, but for the good on Owl.. I assumed for many months he was a liberal.. He's a lib though.. Libertarian...

(10-09-2019 01:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:13 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

Exactly.. If I had to take someone's word for something and my options were AFT, Mensa, CB, Owl#, Attackcoog, CGHawk, or even UTSAMarine, I'm going with Owl.

It's the new reality for lots of people. If someone doesn't agree with them, then those that disagree are either "stupid" or "in the tank" or the ol' stand by, "racist". It's annoying to people that can take a helicopter view, remove themselves from the partisan nonsense, and give an objective view on a subject.

Unfortunately I feel like I've become bitter the last few years.. I used to be that guy, look at it from all angles and give a solid opinion or something I felt was non-partisan, but the libs in my personal life and the ones here have made me not want to agree with anything they post..

And I was even corrected last week, but for the good on Owl.. I assumed for many months he was a liberal.. He's a lib though.. Libertarian...

#denada

the beauty of today's con vs. center vs. left, is the cons ARE FINALLY FIGURING OUT THE CENTER is BEST METHOD.....

the left has nowhere to go....

now, if the left finally gives up 'reign', it's easily plausible that a two party, yet 'one party' can coexist....

it is this, that is the crux in my 1/0 mind....

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

(10-09-2019 01:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:13 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

Exactly.. If I had to take someone's word for something and my options were AFT, Mensa, CB, Owl#, Attackcoog, CGHawk, or even UTSAMarine, I'm going with Owl.

It's the new reality for lots of people. If someone doesn't agree with them, then those that disagree are either "stupid" or "in the tank" or the ol' stand by, "racist". It's annoying to people that can take a helicopter view, remove themselves from the partisan nonsense, and give an objective view on a subject.

Unfortunately I feel like I've become bitter the last few years.. I used to be that guy, look at it from all angles and give a solid opinion or something I felt was non-partisan, but the libs in my personal life and the ones here have made me not want to agree with anything they post..

And I was even corrected last week, but for the good on Owl.. I assumed for many months he was a liberal.. He's a lib though.. Libertarian...

It's easy to understand why and even I find myself having to delete stuff before submitting because upon rereading I find it too snarky or petty. It's hard because it's difficult to debate people that think you are "evil" when all you think is that they are "wrong".

(10-09-2019 01:30 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:13 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  I won't speak for Owl; however, just going by conversations I've read here he knows a hell of a lot more about this topic than you or I. He's not "in the tank" for anyone. He's stated he does not prefer Trump. If anyone is "in the tank", it's the D's that are trying desperately to find a crime to fit the already determined punishment. Legally, that's not how any of this works.

Exactly.. If I had to take someone's word for something and my options were AFT, Mensa, CB, Owl#, Attackcoog, CGHawk, or even UTSAMarine, I'm going with Owl.

It's the new reality for lots of people. If someone doesn't agree with them, then those that disagree are either "stupid" or "in the tank" or the ol' stand by, "racist". It's annoying to people that can take a helicopter view, remove themselves from the partisan nonsense, and give an objective view on a subject.

Unfortunately I feel like I've become bitter the last few years.. I used to be that guy, look at it from all angles and give a solid opinion or something I felt was non-partisan, but the libs in my personal life and the ones here have made me not want to agree with anything they post..

And I was even corrected last week, but for the good on Owl.. I assumed for many months he was a liberal.. He's a lib though.. Libertarian...

It's easy to understand why and even I find myself having to delete stuff before submitting because upon rereading I find it too snarky or petty. It's hard because it's difficult to debate people that think you are "evil" when all you think is that they are "wrong".

the delete key can easily become your best friend in many of the worlds we currently reside....I figured that out long ago, but sometimes had to give da finga....shocking, eh?

what I've learned over time is stick with the facts or challenge the rhetoric....you'll find out quickly who, or who not, can back it up....

What amazes me with all of this is that there is currently a "Special Investigator" at work with John Durham leading it(who investigated the CIA with regard to treatment of terrorists) and the media does not cover any of it. When Mueller was doing his "Special Investigation" there was wall to wall coverage. And there is no bias in the media.

(10-09-2019 02:02 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  What amazes me with all of this is that there is currently a "Special Investigator" at work with John Durham leading it(who investigated the CIA with regard to treatment of terrorists) and the media does not cover any of it. When Mueller was doing his "Special Investigation" there was wall to wall coverage. And there is no bias in the media.

now you know why I come to this board to sift through all the bs they now call 'news'....

#DisInformationOverload

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.-- Sure, as soon as we find out why a prosecutor was fired from investigating the Bidens.

We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.-- Sure, it's not like different admins never replace Ambassadors.

We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.-- Rudy never went there. Try again.


We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.-- Even the Obama things I agree.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

There's barely enough smoke to choke Jeff Spicoli.........

(10-09-2019 03:08 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

There's barely enough smoke to choke Jeff Spicoli.........

Well it will choke the East coast libs. They are so full of themselves, its hard for anything to pass.

They aren't interested in why the UN Ambassador for Obama was unmasking people, more than everyone combined in the previous administration.
They aren't interested in why Biden bragged about getting a prosecutor investigating his son's company got fired or why Biden's son suddenly got 50k a month just after Joe talked with the Ukraine.
They aren't interested in why Hillary's lawyer dictated to the FBI how her potential violations of the law would be investigated and why she got away with destroying evidence.
They aren't interested in why the FBI was paying for Clinton campaign's opposition research with much of the money ending up in the Ukraine or Russia.
They aren't interested in the full data on classified data loaded on Clinton's private server or the confidential data leaked by Comey's FBI or Mueller's crew.

(10-09-2019 02:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.-- Sure, as soon as we find out why a prosecutor was fired from investigating the Bidens.

We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.-- Sure, it's not like different admins never replace Ambassadors.

We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.-- Rudy never went there. Try again.


We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.-- Even the Obama things I agree.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

"NM" worthy!

(10-09-2019 03:08 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

There's barely enough smoke to choke Jeff Spicoli.........

lmfao...

or these guys from one of my fave movies most have never watched....

(10-09-2019 03:08 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.
We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.
Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

There's barely enough smoke to choke Jeff Spicoli.........

LOL +3

Seriously, why the F do we NEED to know these things?

(10-09-2019 02:02 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  What amazes me with all of this is that there is currently a "Special Investigator" at work with John Durham leading it(who investigated the CIA with regard to treatment of terrorists) and the media does not cover any of it. When Mueller was doing his "Special Investigation" there was wall to wall coverage. And there is no bias in the media.

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.What would be the problem here. Maybe we should know why dozens of Obama acolytes were working in the Ukraine as consultants and board members collecting huge salaries. This just so happens to include Hunter Biden, John Karry’s son, Nancy Pelosi’s son and John Podesta’s brother
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.Maybe because she would not allow the Ukrainian investigators to obtain visas to visit the US DOJ to present evidence of corruption. Or maybe it was because she told the Ukrainian officials Trump was unfit for the office of the POTUS and would be replaced soon. Or maybe it was became she was using US government sources to monitor communications of a US reporter named John Solomon.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.I predict we will know the answers you seek pretty soon. I also predict you will not like these answers and will have to develop some creative talking points to allow you to disbelieve them.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.We already have. But you won’t ever be satisfied. It’s the ultimate catch 22 for you. Why weren’t you so interested in 33,000 emails getting the bleach bit treatment?
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!You are right here. Only what’s on fire is not what you think it is.

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.

We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.

Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

What we don't appear to need to know, even though we already do, is that Joe Biden and his son made a boatload of money off Ukraine and China, you guys conveniently ignore that. We don't appear to need to know that Pelosi's son used her name and endorsement to enrich himself. You ignore that as well. We don't need to know that Adam Schiff is a straight up liar, he lies when there's really no reason to. You don't care about that at all.

You aren't concerned one bit with any of the above yet you pee all over yourself with excitement caused by your TDS kicking in over the prospect, no matter how thin, that finally you've got something that will stick. And you don't.

(10-09-2019 10:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 03:08 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 02:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

So you think these are legitimate fact-finding investigations? Really?

Based on what I've seen so far, 100%.
We need to know why the ambassador to the EU, a trump donor, was involved in Ukraine, not a EU member.
We need to know why the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Louise Yovanovitch, was replaced.
We need to know what the president's personal lawyer was doing with Ukraine and if the State Department was involved with that. Also, who is paying for rudy's "work" and travel, the government or trump.
We need to see the full transcript of the call with Ukraine and other things on the secret server.
Etc.
Dude, there's enough smoke here to choke the east coast!

There's barely enough smoke to choke Jeff Spicoli.........

LOL +3

Seriously, why the F do we NEED to know these things?

We obviously don't. They WANT to know these things due to the fishing expedition of trying to find a crime to go with their already determined punishment.