(10-08-2019 12:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Now, for what I actually believe.

I believe what was on the transcript constitutes a quid pro quo. Others and you are more than free to disagree.

I also don't believe that the WH released the entire transcript of the call. Sorry, but I just don't trust them. You're totally free to believe them. After all, you always trust the government, right?

Of course, I can't prove any of it so hopefully the house inquiry will get to the bottom of it.

You believe this until something else hits or this doesn't pan out. This is who you are.. You talk about how others are trolls or dishonest, but in all truth you talk out both sides of your mouth so you have a way to crawfish and say, well that's not what I meant.

We all know how much of a water carrier you've been for the democrats over the years and nothing's changed.. I've tried to be cordial to you but you're an ass plain and simple... We can't engage in discussion with you because you crawfish so much.

You don't trust the WH, but when the last guy was in there, you couldn't stop wiping your chin.

Someone please quote me so this windbag can see it and "not respond"...

And yet he believes the media who have repeatedly lied to him over the last 3 years. You know what they call doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

(10-08-2019 12:51 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Now, for what I actually believe.

I believe what was on the transcript constitutes a quid pro quo. Others and you are more than free to disagree.

I also don't believe that the WH released the entire transcript of the call. Sorry, but I just don't trust them. You're totally free to believe them. After all, you always trust the government, right? ;)

Of course, I can't prove any of it so hopefully the house inquiry will get to the bottom of it.

What I believe. No. What I know to be fact.
1. Russia didn’t work.
2. White nationalism didn’t work.
3. Charlotte didn’t work.
4. And none of the other BS didn’t work.
5. Shifty had to lie to get you liberals panties in a wad.
6. There is no QPQ.
7. Trump has caused the democrats to drive right into the ditch w/o mechanical impairment

#7 addendum fify

VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

(10-08-2019 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 12:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Now, for what I actually believe.

I believe what was on the transcript constitutes a quid pro quo. Others and you are more than free to disagree.

I also don't believe that the WH released the entire transcript of the call. Sorry, but I just don't trust them. You're totally free to believe them. After all, you always trust the government, right?

Of course, I can't prove any of it so hopefully the house inquiry will get to the bottom of it.

You believe this until something else hits or this doesn't pan out. This is who you are.. You talk about how others are trolls or dishonest, but in all truth you talk out both sides of your mouth so you have a way to crawfish and say, well that's not what I meant.

We all know how much of a water carrier you've been for the democrats over the years and nothing's changed.. I've tried to be cordial to you but you're an ass plain and simple... We can't engage in discussion with you because you crawfish so much.

You don't trust the WH, but when the last guy was in there, you couldn't stop wiping your chin.

Someone please quote me so this windbag can see it and "not respond"...

And yet he believes the media who have repeatedly lied to him over the last 3 years. You know what they call doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

Thanks Bullet..

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

We do know what was said. We have the transcript. This garbage about that isnt all of the conversation is made up. Normal business of what a President does when talking to world leaders. I want the transcripts of Obama's conversations with the Mullahs.

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).

Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

First, you demanded a link to the source of MY opinion. I gave it. Rather than admit that my proof directly supports what I said, you come back with distinctions without a difference. You can't even admit that I demonstrated exactly what I said existed. Precisely the lie you keep telling.

The transcript presented ISN'T the record I'm talking about. It's merely the pertinent portion of it.

Saying it's not verbatim is not the same as 'we don't know what was said.' voice recognition software can be very good, but it will still struggle with accents and slurred or muttered words. You still understand 'what was said' by the rest of the conversation. This is what I'm talking about in terms of tin-foil. You believe that Trump somehow managed to make sure that the legal violations weren't captured by the voice recognition software, nor did they stick out enough for the note takers to take notice.

In addition, you're claiming that the official transcript was somehow inappropriately deleted from the government servers and moved to this 'secret' server... yet nobody is charging anyone with deleting files from a government server (a clear crime) AND nobody is addressing the elephant in the room... Why Trump would keep ANY record of this conversation if he was able to remove it from the official server without a crime. More illogical insanity.

I gave you proof that an electronic transcript of the conversation existed. You give me proof of your assertion that it no longer exists. The best proof would be at least a somewhat formal charge that it has been destroyed by the administration

Quote:And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

I don't either... But it's insane to think that Trump would openly break a law on a known recorded line and yet somehow the numerous people taking transcripts and notes on the event wouldn't mention those clear violations. I trust that Trump isn't that smart more than I trust that you and Democrats aren't that desperate.

You can't have it both ways... that he's a moron and a crook, but somehow too smart to get caught red handed even on a monitored line. Instead we hear about 'code words' and innuendo and inferences... because of course, the newly elected President of Ukraine is 'in on it' with a guy whom Russia helped elect. Does that even make sense to YOU?

Quote:If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

No you won't, mostly because nobody can prove a negative. The odds can be 1mm:1 against you and it still won't be 'proof'. The conversation is the accusation. Please provide evidence of something directly related to the conversation that they've thwarted.

I never said they had nothing to hide. I have no idea. That's not enough for another fishing expedition. Democrats recently asked for 8 years of tax records to investigate supposed finance issues during the 2016 election.

We went 2 years with your side arguing that 'they had the goods' on Russia. Then we went for a few months with 'if you hold the report just so, you still see possibilities'. This is just more of that same thing.

The burden of proof is on YOU, chief... and this is the best you have?

You're right... maybe I just should have ridiculed your opinion as opposed to asking for some actual support for it.

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).

Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).

Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

Proof Tommy doesn't understand how actual investigations and processes work.

Accusations don't equal investigations until you actually legally start the process.

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

there's no fair arguing with these folk.....why keep doing it...

they only deserve line 4 at this point....

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).

Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

b/c ewe say so....

releasing the transcript wasn't enough....now ewe want more hidden coup dipshite-ism to transpire....

#gotcha

what a line 4 ewe are....

(10-09-2019 10:42 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).

Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

Proof Tommy doesn't understand how actual investigations and processes work.

Accusations don't equal investigations until you actually legally start the process.

WTF are you talking about? Congress is investigating, they've been interviewing and have been issuing subpoenas.

Quote:Back in 2015, the House Republican majority changed the rules in the House to make it easier for them to subpoena the Obama administration. Rather than involve members of the Democratic minority in the process at all, they simply authorized their own committee chairs to unilaterally issue subpoenas to anyone they wished.

Come January, that may well come back to haunt the dwindling number of Republicans left in the U.S. House of Representatives. The result: for the first time, Donald Trump and his administration may soon face some real oversight.

Oops.

GOP made it easier to subpoena presidential administrations in 2015. Now Democrats have that power.

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.
You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.
Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.
And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.
If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.
You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.
Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.
And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.
If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

me thinks they call that, "burden of proof"....

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.

And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.

If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).

Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

Why?

You/Congress wanting it to is not a legal reason.

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  VERY typical response from you Tom.
You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.
Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.

Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.
And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.
If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

(10-09-2019 12:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, where did I say I had any evidence? I'm only giving you my opinion. And the evidence I asked for was for your assertion of "We know exactly what was said", when we don't as the transcript clearly states.
And I know this may come to a shock to you, but I don't trust trump or any of his minions here, with good reason. Common sense.
If my beliefs are proven wrong, I'll gladly say so. And that's exactly why this investigation should go forward and the WH should provide ALL the details since in your belief, they have NOTHING to hide. Of course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Yet you believe the investigators. These are the same folks that have yet to be right in 4 separate investigations--claiming all the while they had the evidence to prove presidential wrong doing. Once again, the transcript and testimony to date undermines virtually every charge made by the "whistle blower". Beyond the president saying something to the effect that he would love it if the Ukranians looked into the possibility of a corrupt act by Biden when the prosecutor was fired---the whistle blowers story would be completely false. Without a quid pro quo, its very difficult to say that looking into a potentially corrupt act at the highest level of government is an abuse of power--or even out of line---for a president (especially in light of the two nations having a corruption fighting treaty where they agree to share information).
Kudos for the democrats manufacturing another "crisis". Beyond that---another nothing burger is on the grill.

I have not said that, yet. The investigation is still taking place and the WH needs to start cooperating with it. They did nothing wrong after all, right?

The fact that you did nothing wrong is quite often a reason not to cooperate. When the "investigation" is not a legitimate fact-finding but rather a witch hunt determined to find something to crucify you for, cooperating with them may not be the best plan.

Dude, you're so far in the tank here. Wow.

it's obvious he has higher level schematics in constitutional/legal understanding than your wingedeagle....

thank you for having me on ignore captain ding-dong...

I can't begin to tell you how much this sadist enjoys a sloth that has me on ignore....

(10-08-2019 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  [quote='Hambone10' pid='16356788' dateline='1570558470']
VERY typical response from you Tom.

You ask for evidence and i give it to you. I ask you for the same and you ignore it and continue with the tin-foil conspiracies.

Again, you're suggesting that Trump somehow made very clear violations of law, and yet none of the people who recorded the notes from the meeting recorded those violations.
[/quoteOf course, they're currently trying to thwart everything other than this transcript which they had full control over what was released. To me, that smells fishy.

Does it smell fishy to you when the Democrats do it? That's what they are currently doing with the testimony they recently got behind closed doors.