(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The actual recording is clearly available... just not to the general public. Not a transcript, but the actual recording.

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

(10-07-2019 11:02 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  So you agree he is correct you just don't like the site used just want to be clear here.

He's a dishonest troll. Best to ignore and just not engage.

(10-07-2019 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:02 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  So you agree he is correct you just don't like the site used just want to be clear here.

He's a dishonest troll. Best to ignore and just not engage.

Says the most hypocritical, dishonest troll on this board.

(10-07-2019 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:02 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  So you agree he is correct you just don't like the site used just want to be clear here.

He's a dishonest troll. Best to ignore and just not engage.

The pot calling the kettle black. Classic.

But, that's how "DEMONCRAPS" run.

(10-07-2019 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:02 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  So you agree he is correct you just don't like the site used just want to be clear here.

He's a dishonest troll. Best to ignore and just not engage.

Says the guy who can't explain the reason why he thinks ABC, but he just does, and when you apply his logic to him you're the troll.

But I noticed neither one of you brainiacs decided to point out where I said Tom was right, because *gasps* Tom's not right.

Keep me on ignore Tom, it's best you don't see what I say.. It might your widdle feel feels and you have to go on another fake vacation.

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The actual recording is clearly available... just not to the general public. Not a transcript, but the actual recording.

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

(10-07-2019 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The actual recording is clearly available... just not to the general public. Not a transcript, but the actual recording.

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

Bottom line, we don't know if what the WH released was the whole conversation. And it has a disclaimer right on it. Not saying it's not, just saying we will likely never know unless congress gets access to the secret server somehow with their impeachment inquiry.

Also, if the actual recording is available as you stated, just release the recording.

(10-07-2019 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The actual recording is clearly available... just not to the general public. Not a transcript, but the actual recording.

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

Bottom line, we don't know if what the WH released was the whole conversation. And it has a disclaimer right on it. Not saying it's not, just saying we will likely never know unless congress gets access to the secret server somehow with their impeachment inquiry.

Also, if the actual recording is available as you stated, just release the recording.

It was a thirty minute call the "transcript" covers about ten minutes of it.

(10-07-2019 01:22 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:02 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  So you agree he is correct you just don't like the site used just want to be clear here.

He's a dishonest troll. Best to ignore and just not engage.

The pot calling the kettle black. Classic.

But, that's how "DEMONCRAPS" run.

my Cards went B2B homers in their end of the first....I'm going to have fun with this bs today...

(10-07-2019 02:26 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

Bottom line, we don't know if what the WH released was the whole conversation. And it has a disclaimer right on it. Not saying it's not, just saying we will likely never know unless congress gets access to the secret server somehow with their impeachment inquiry.

Also, if the actual recording is available as you stated, just release the recording.

It was a thirty minute call the "transcript" covers about ten minutes of it.

Reynolds Heavy Duty is my favorite... or maybe you can up the voltage?


I provided proof of my statement. Now you two provide proof of yours.

And don't try and play these stupid games... an electronic transcription is a recording....

Your claim is that 'the proper authorities' don't have access to the entirety of the electronic transcription. I realize that House Democrats, just as they did with the Mueller report and Trump's taxes claim that THEY don't have access to it, but that's not the burden.

Show me where a first hand-account claims that something was said that isn't in the transcript, and what that was. Not their impression of the conversation, but where they claim that Trump specifically said something very consistent with, 'do this or you don't get our money'.

This 'secret server' line is tin-foil at its finest. It was recorded on a governmental server. If you had a claim that it was somehow deleted from this 'official' server, you'd be saying that. You don't, so you make this crap up. Seems pretty obvious that if it were secret, they would have just denied having a recording at all. If they deleted it, even if they saved part of it, THAT would be your claim, not this.

to argue anything else makes you both look insane.

Quote:“not a verbatim transcript of a discussion.”

All I'm saying.

Now, for what I actually believe.

I believe what was on the transcript constitutes a quid pro quo. Others and you are more than free to disagree.

I also don't believe that the WH released the entire transcript of the call. Sorry, but I just don't trust them. You're totally free to believe them. After all, you always trust the government, right?

Of course, I can't prove any of it so hopefully the house inquiry will get to the bottom of it.

(10-07-2019 08:52 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(10-06-2019 06:14 PM)450bench Wrote:  The mere presence of President Trump is exposing the swamp that is the Democratic Party. They are pure corruption and we are seeing it on display 24/7.

He's doing exactly what he said he'd do.

You found the swamp.

"... days are numbered... removed from office..."

My numbers are off. What number day are we on?

(10-07-2019 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The actual recording is clearly available... just not to the general public. Not a transcript, but the actual recording.

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

Bottom line, we don't know if what the WH released was the whole conversation. And it has a disclaimer right on it. Not saying it's not, just saying we will likely never know unless congress gets access to the secret server somehow with their impeachment inquiry.

Also, if the actual recording is available as you stated, just release the recording.

What we will likely never know could fill volumes. Where was Barry the night the US ambassador killed? We will probably never know.
Just go ahead and sow your seeds of doubt. Most aren’t buying.

When’s the FISA report coming?

(10-07-2019 02:26 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:37 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Really? Do you have a source for that?

I thought presidential communications with foreign leaders were not recorded on our end. Perhaps the Ukrainians have a recording though.

Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

Bottom line, we don't know if what the WH released was the whole conversation. And it has a disclaimer right on it. Not saying it's not, just saying we will likely never know unless congress gets access to the secret server somehow with their impeachment inquiry.

Also, if the actual recording is available as you stated, just release the recording.

It was a thirty minute call the "transcript" covers about ten minutes of it.

You do realize there was translation?

(10-08-2019 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Now, for what I actually believe.

I believe what was on the transcript constitutes a quid pro quo. Others and you are more than free to disagree.

I also don't believe that the WH released the entire transcript of the call. Sorry, but I just don't trust them. You're totally free to believe them. After all, you always trust the government, right?

Of course, I can't prove any of it so hopefully the house inquiry will get to the bottom of it.

You believe this until something else hits or this doesn't pan out. This is who you are.. You talk about how others are trolls or dishonest, but in all truth you talk out both sides of your mouth so you have a way to crawfish and say, well that's not what I meant.

We all know how much of a water carrier you've been for the democrats over the years and nothing's changed.. I've tried to be cordial to you but you're an ass plain and simple... We can't engage in discussion with you because you crawfish so much.

You don't trust the WH, but when the last guy was in there, you couldn't stop wiping your chin.

Someone please quote me so this windbag can see it and "not respond"...

(10-08-2019 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Now, for what I actually believe.

I believe what was on the transcript constitutes a quid pro quo. Others and you are more than free to disagree.

I also don't believe that the WH released the entire transcript of the call. Sorry, but I just don't trust them. You're totally free to believe them. After all, you always trust the government, right?

Of course, I can't prove any of it so hopefully the house inquiry will get to the bottom of it.

What I believe. No. What I know to be fact.
1. Russia didn’t work.
2. White nationalism didn’t work.
3. Charlotte didn’t work.
4. And none of the other BS didn’t work.
5. Shifty had to lie to get you liberals panties in a wad.
6. There is no QPQ.
7. Trump has caused the democrats to drive right into the ditch....

(10-08-2019 12:39 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:26 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, I'd like to see and hear that too. So would congress!

How about Fortune Magazine reporting that both the NY Times and Bloomberg said it? I don't have subscriptions to either of those sources, but I have no reason to doubt Fortune. While people can still question ANY source, these aren't exactly bloggers. The article is about the supposed security of such a system and not about its existence.

According to reporting by the New York Times and Bloomberg, voice transcription software—in conjunction with notes taken by observers in the White House Situation Room—was used to draft the transcript memo. https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zel...re-secure/

Now, if you're going to argue that Trump somehow manipulated the transcription software or that he managed to have the entire conversation and somehow BRILLIANTLY managed to have the keys that you needed to convict 'inaudible', well... I guess you'll just have to use the HEAVY DUTY foil next time.

Bottom line, we don't know if what the WH released was the whole conversation. And it has a disclaimer right on it. Not saying it's not, just saying we will likely never know unless congress gets access to the secret server somehow with their impeachment inquiry.

Also, if the actual recording is available as you stated, just release the recording.

It was a thirty minute call the "transcript" covers about ten minutes of it.

You do realize there was translation?

He doesn't.. He also doesn't understand it's easier to read 30 minutes of dialogue than to listen to it because of dead air and the use of "uh" on either end.

(10-07-2019 12:30 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The actual recording is clearly available... just not to the general public. Not a transcript, but the actual recording.

Same ol' story. Remember they wanted to read the Mueller report until it didn't tell them what they wanted to heard. Same here. They'll demand forever and a day to "hear" the actual words until they do and don't hear what they want to hear. Then they'll just continue down the same road. It doesn't matter what they read/hear.