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Am I the only one who thinks pay for play will be a train wreck?
Won’t this just set off a giant arms race in which the schools with the richest alums and donors annually buy their alma maters the finest recruits money can buy?

What’s to keep corporate sponsors from raiding rosters to stock their favorite programs?

There’s sure to be strife if it becomes public that Nike or Adidas is providing more salary...oops, I meant endorsements to one of their client schools over another?

Or what’s to say that a school like Alabama demands $5 million in endorsements for recruits in exchange for an outfitter deal?
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I am 100% agree with you. They could also pay someone to take the SATs so the kids from high school get into the colleges and universities that they want when the kid is not good enough with his grades.
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I think everyone knows that if the California model prevails, it could very well lead to a chaotic "wild west" situation where nobody knows how it will all shake out.
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Not at all. Ultimately I think the big winners in this debate will be Nike and Adidas.
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Not a whole lot will change other than the gubment will be able to tax the $$ going to the star players now.
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(10-01-2019 08:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am 100% agree with you. They could also pay someone to take the SATs so the kids from high school get into the colleges and universities that they want when the kid is not good enough with his grades.

Heck thats been going on for decades. A former ole miss and U laffy asst has a show cause from that very thing.
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(10-01-2019 07:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Won’t this just set off a giant arms race in which the schools with the richest alums and donors annually buy their alma maters the finest recruits money can buy?

What’s to keep corporate sponsors from raiding rosters to stock their favorite programs?

There’s sure to be strife if it becomes public that Nike or Adidas is providing more salary...oops, I meant endorsements to one of their client schools over another?

Or what’s to say that a school like Alabama demands $5 million in endorsements for recruits in exchange for an outfitter deal?
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The end of college sports as we know it.
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(10-01-2019 07:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Won’t this just set off a giant arms race in which the schools with the richest alums and donors annually buy their alma maters the finest recruits money can buy?

Not 100% sure how that is a change from the current status quo.

It makes it different if the pay is public knowledge rather than under the table?

Or that it will likely spread to a wider range of players than the ones that are currently considered worth it to take the risk on?
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We need to reform the NCAA where everybody is on the same level playing field, put a cap on how 5 star, 4 star and 3 star prospects, salary caps on coaches, freeze stadium expansions on the larger P5 schools, tv contract that pays every school equally, profit sharing on the merchandise as a whole, etc. We do not need these stupid laws.
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(10-01-2019 10:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We need to reform the NCAA where everybody is on the same level playing field, put a cap on how 5 star, 4 star and 3 star prospects, salary caps on coaches, freeze stadium expansions on the larger P5 schools, tv contract that pays every school equally, profit sharing on the merchandise as a whole, etc. We do not need these stupid laws.

No. Communist. Your ideas are stupid.
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(10-01-2019 09:36 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The end of college sports as we know it.

Just my thought on this. I foresee schools simply cutting sports instead of paying athletes. Although this will not hurt the top tier programs, but it will hurt the overall depth of college athletics. Let me try to explain. It is easy to see how many of the so called non-revenue sports get eliminated in this. Conferences could need to adjust the number of required sports for members, as they simply would not be affordable. The long term change here would be less access to sports for women, as I think that schools will just cut instead of maintain. In the long run there are down the road concerns. With fewer people playing a sport in college, there will be fewer experienced athletes who become coaches at the youth/MS/HS level. Few experienced coaches leads to fewer playing the sport at a high level which leads to a lower overall quality.

I am not sure if I articulated this well, but it is a real possibility.
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(10-01-2019 09:36 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The end of college sports as we know it.
It's not pay for play and actually nothing will change. Bama will still be Bama and Rolex will still be Toledo.

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(10-01-2019 10:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We need to reform the NCAA where everybody is on the same level playing field, put a cap on how 5 star, 4 star and 3 star prospects, salary caps on coaches, freeze stadium expansions on the larger P5 schools, tv contract that pays every school equally, profit sharing on the merchandise as a whole, etc. We do not need these stupid laws.
So congrats on posting the least likely scenario possible as well as your supervillain origin story.

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I harken back to a scene in the movie Blue Chips where Penny Hardaway's character is homesick and wants to leave school. The booster who paid for his arrival to the fictional school is livid, makes a phone call to the coach and tells him he has paid big bucks to get him here and if he knows what's good for him he will talk the kid into staying (basically said booster threatens the coach). The coach then goes over to smooth things over with the player and out of character, pressures the kid to stay. As others have posted, I am sure this guys on today, but this will only gets worse once this all becomes above board.
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(10-02-2019 07:31 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 09:36 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The end of college sports as we know it.
It's not pay for play and actually nothing will change. Bama will still be Bama and Rolex will still be Toledo.

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A distinction without a difference.
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(10-02-2019 08:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:31 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 09:36 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The end of college sports as we know it.
It's not pay for play and actually nothing will change. Bama will still be Bama and Rolex will still be Toledo.

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A distinction without a difference.

I think it's a huge difference. Under the legislation being drafted, schools aren't paying players, so it isn't forcing anyone to drop sports.

Third parties will be paying for commercials and such, but only to certain players, likely limited to stars in football and basketball.

So yeah, that's way different than pay to play.
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I predict we will see federal legislation that will preempt these state laws and will have some compromise that keeps the NCAA happy and throws athletes a small bone. California's law will never take effect.
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(10-01-2019 07:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Won’t this just set off a giant arms race in which the schools with the richest alums and donors annually buy their alma maters the finest recruits money can buy?

What’s to keep corporate sponsors from raiding rosters to stock their favorite programs?

There’s sure to be strife if it becomes public that Nike or Adidas is providing more salary...oops, I meant endorsements to one of their client schools over another?

Or what’s to say that a school like Alabama demands $5 million in endorsements for recruits in exchange for an outfitter deal?


It's worse than that. It will lead to college football and basketball being regarded as minor league sports.

The only difference between college sports and actual minor professional leagues is that the players are students. The vast majority of players suffer through 5 years of classes, get a degree similar to the ones held by the majority of their fans, and get a normal job.

There is a connection between the players and fans in college sports because these are OUR guys. They're from the same neighborhoods as us, and after playing they'll go into the same types of careers. But for a few brief years, they're superstars.

They're just like us, but with a little more athletic talent.

Even at Alabama, 46 players on the roster are from Alabama, and only 1/3 will play a single down in the NFL.


If they turn it into a minor league sport, with salaries and free agency, then they'll lose the fans. College football will become just like the NBA G-League, or AAA baseball. And it'll have similar fan support. I don't think that's what anyone wants.
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(10-02-2019 09:35 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If they turn it into a minor league sport, with salaries and free agency, then they'll lose the fans. College football will become just like the NBA G-League, or AAA baseball. And it'll have similar fan support. I don't think that's what anyone wants.

I see this argument a lot, but I just don't buy that very many fans will make that distinction or care. Heck, I already see college football and basketball as minor league sports except with a much stronger emotional connection. To argue that they are anything other than that *today* (especially at the Power 5 level) is being quite naive. There's a vocal old school segment that might superficially believe that the sky is falling, but I've found in all of my years that the most hollow threat of all threats in the entire universe is a sports fan claiming that he/she will not watch his/her favorite team because of [insert reason]. As soon as they start winning, all of those supposed dealbreaker principles go by the wayside.

I *do* think that fans care that the name of their alma mater is on the jersey (e.g. there's a big difference between the emotional connection to the Ohio State Buckeyes versus the Columbus Clippers), but I honestly don't believe whether players get compensated make any more difference than the fact that all of the coaches (who are generally the highest paid public employees in virtually every state), professors, administrators, the non-athlete students that clean up the stadiums/facilities and tutor athletes, and literally every single other person associated with the athletic program receives some sort of compensation.

It doesn't compute in my brain that we can have this massive college sports industrial complex financed by billions of dollars of TV revenue, donations, and sponsorships and we can then sit here and claim that the actual athletes that fuel all of that getting compensated would suddenly be a bridge too far. I'd buy it more if head coaches were paid at the same rate as normal professor (as opposed to 50 professors) and schools decided to return all of the money from ESPN/Fox/CBS/NBC and Nike/Adidas/Under Armour. Otherwise, it's really nonsensical. Millennials and Generation Z certainly don't care (and if anything, are the ones that are the most flabbergasted that their athletic peers aren't being paid with all of the money being thrown around with college sports).

To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, we're all rooting for laundry. I'm certainly not going to be bothered if Illinois starts winning more football and basketball games because it can start drawing more 5-star recruits because our state is looking to pass a law that matches the California law to allow for third party athlete compensation. Heck, this might be the best way for schools like ours to actually have some type of competitive advantage over Michigan and Ohio State. If we're just competing on tradition and branding, we lose pretty much every time. If we can start competing based on compensation, we can actually start winning some of those recruiting battles. The status quo actually entrenches the power of the elite programs, whereas a more open free market actually allows schools that don't have the decades of branding and tradition to compete better in the marketplace because the color of green is rational and unbiased.
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