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RE: Paper on ocean warming withdrawn
(09-29-2019 02:49 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 06:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol....another in a long line of 'funded science gone awry'.....

here's a short tutorial for those that can't wrap their arms around the simple concept of displacement relative to sea level....it is only land based glacial melting that can contribute to sea level rise...





there are many reasons sea level is rising at a few mm/yr - gravity/subsidence, tectonic shifting, erosion, heat expansion, etc....

educate yourselves people...

Thanks for this...

#denada

on many an occasion, I embrace being the village idiot.....this is hardly one of those times in discussion...

IMO, it's quite disturbing how too many do not understand proven simple science by definition....and 'lord' only knows how much I've forgotten over time.... 03-wink

04-cheers
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RE: Paper on ocean warming withdrawn
(09-29-2019 10:16 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:49 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 06:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol....another in a long line of 'funded science gone awry'.....

here's a short tutorial for those that can't wrap their arms around the simple concept of displacement relative to sea level....it is only land based glacial melting that can contribute to sea level rise...





there are many reasons sea level is rising at a few mm/yr - gravity/subsidence, tectonic shifting, erosion, heat expansion, etc....

educate yourselves people...

Thanks for this...

#denada

on many an occasion, I embrace being the village idiot.....this is hardly one of those times in discussion...

IMO, it's quite disturbing how too many do not understand proven simple science by definition....and 'lord' only knows how much I've forgotten over time.... 03-wink

04-cheers

The left doesn't want a public that can count, add, subtract, multiply or divide and they don't want reason and logic applied to data (science). The simple truth is that their message cannot bear scrutiny so they don't want their pseudo scientists and pseudo intellectuals to be questioned about anything, ever.

They figured out a long time ago that Americans paid attention to scientists, and that was because we once did. But the "lawyer" that exists in the heart of the left learned in courtrooms decades ago that you fight a real scientist with a whore of a scientist that will say and support what they are paid to say and support. Since then nothing has been the same.

The sad part is that now most Americans don't trust anything. The spirit of Americans was one of optimism when I was a lad. Now the most enlightened Americans are cynics. But that's what happens when organized crime, corporate interests, and Congress become indistinguishable.

The solution is still to apply scientific method. If we can't get the truth out of bogus scientists, then we should dissect them to find out why.

And by the way, climate has been changing on this planet since it first formed. The problem is that nobody was around recording data until ~7000 bce. So on a planet that has been constantly changing since its inception it is only the last 9,000 years of millions that preceded it that records any data and all data prior to the late 1800's is mostly observation without any sophisticated equipment with which to record a comprehensive picture. What is really happening is this, we finally can record data globally and analyze it vs last year and last decade. The fact that it is constantly change (as it always has been) scares the hell out of people who want to be able to control everything, and pleases those who are actually trying to control everything and can use the fear factor to their advantage. I think we should apply the scientific method I suggested above to them as well.

It comes as no surprise to me that a society that now denies death by not having bodies present at memorial services should find themselves in ignorance of the basic facts of life. You're born, you constantly adapt to everything around you, your immune system wears out, and you die eventually, but that's only if you survive all the other man made crap that was out to get you, cars, wars, drugs, alcohol, std's, too much pizza, and pharmaceuticals rushed to market for profit before the side effects were properly assessed. You don't control your birth, you only react to life, and you can't prevent your eventual death. Therefore being scared of any of it is absurd as it won't change a damned thing. But if you want to be truly miserable you'll fret over and respond to, every trick of fear your puppet masters yank your strings over to watch you do the Heeby Jeebies dance.
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RE: Paper on ocean warming withdrawn
(09-29-2019 11:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 10:16 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:49 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 06:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol....another in a long line of 'funded science gone awry'.....

here's a short tutorial for those that can't wrap their arms around the simple concept of displacement relative to sea level....it is only land based glacial melting that can contribute to sea level rise...





there are many reasons sea level is rising at a few mm/yr - gravity/subsidence, tectonic shifting, erosion, heat expansion, etc....

educate yourselves people...

Thanks for this...

#denada

on many an occasion, I embrace being the village idiot.....this is hardly one of those times in discussion...

IMO, it's quite disturbing how too many do not understand proven simple science by definition....and 'lord' only knows how much I've forgotten over time.... 03-wink

04-cheers

The left doesn't want a public that can count, add, subtract, multiply or divide and they don't want reason and logic applied to data (science). The simple truth is that their message cannot bear scrutiny so they don't want their pseudo scientists and pseudo intellectuals to be questioned about anything, ever.

They figured out a long time ago that Americans paid attention to scientists, and that was because we once did. But the "lawyer" that exists in the heart of the left learned in courtrooms decades ago that you fight a real scientist with a whore of a scientist that will say and support what they are paid to say and support. Since then nothing has been the same.

The sad part is that now most Americans don't trust anything. The spirit of Americans was one of optimism when I was a lad. Now the most enlightened Americans are cynics. But that's what happens when organized crime, corporate interests, and Congress become indistinguishable.

The solution is still to apply scientific method. If we can't get the truth out of bogus scientists, then we should dissect them to find out why.

And by the way, climate has been changing on this planet since it first formed. The problem is that nobody was around recording data until ~7000 bce. So on a planet that has been constantly changing since its inception it is only the last 9,000 years of millions that preceded it that records any data and all data prior to the late 1800's is mostly observation without any sophisticated equipment with which to record a comprehensive picture. What is really happening is this, we finally can record data globally and analyze it vs last year and last decade. The fact that it is constantly change (as it always has been) scares the hell out of people who want to be able to control everything, and pleases those who are actually trying to control everything and can use the fear factor to their advantage. I think we should apply the scientific method I suggested above to them as well.

It comes as no surprise to me that a society that now denies death by not having bodies present at memorial services should find themselves in ignorance of the basic facts of life. You're born, you constantly adapt to everything around you, your immune system wears out, and you die eventually, but that's only if you survive all the other man made crap that was out to get you, cars, wars, drugs, alcohol, std's, too much pizza, and pharmaceuticals rushed to market for profit before the side effects were properly assessed. You don't control your birth, you only react to life, and you can't prevent your eventual death. Therefore being scared of any of it is absurd as it won't change a damned thing. But if you want to be truly miserable you'll fret over and respond to, every trick of fear your puppet masters yank your strings over to watch you do the Heeby Jeebies dance.

it's been sad to watch unfold....my crew of Vermont, Indiana, the 'burg, Amite county, and StL (me) saw all this stupid shite beginning 40 yrs. ago...

#WeWereTheConglomerate

#hodgepodgeItOnceWasInTheirEyes

it's disturbing how 'the cynic' is now the enemy.....I still say, "fk 'em" every single day now...

I'll share something personal with the board....

I currently have a felon in my employ....as we meander throughout the day, he has chosen to listen simply b/c he understands 'value and opportunity' as it exists today....not all do in the passenger's seat, nor do many have the opportunity to experience such ...that's the real shame in any facet of 'rearing'...
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RE: Paper on ocean warming withdrawn
(09-29-2019 01:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 11:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 10:16 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:49 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 06:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  lol....another in a long line of 'funded science gone awry'.....

here's a short tutorial for those that can't wrap their arms around the simple concept of displacement relative to sea level....it is only land based glacial melting that can contribute to sea level rise...





there are many reasons sea level is rising at a few mm/yr - gravity/subsidence, tectonic shifting, erosion, heat expansion, etc....

educate yourselves people...

Thanks for this...

#denada

on many an occasion, I embrace being the village idiot.....this is hardly one of those times in discussion...

IMO, it's quite disturbing how too many do not understand proven simple science by definition....and 'lord' only knows how much I've forgotten over time.... 03-wink

04-cheers

The left doesn't want a public that can count, add, subtract, multiply or divide and they don't want reason and logic applied to data (science). The simple truth is that their message cannot bear scrutiny so they don't want their pseudo scientists and pseudo intellectuals to be questioned about anything, ever.

They figured out a long time ago that Americans paid attention to scientists, and that was because we once did. But the "lawyer" that exists in the heart of the left learned in courtrooms decades ago that you fight a real scientist with a whore of a scientist that will say and support what they are paid to say and support. Since then nothing has been the same.

The sad part is that now most Americans don't trust anything. The spirit of Americans was one of optimism when I was a lad. Now the most enlightened Americans are cynics. But that's what happens when organized crime, corporate interests, and Congress become indistinguishable.

The solution is still to apply scientific method. If we can't get the truth out of bogus scientists, then we should dissect them to find out why.

And by the way, climate has been changing on this planet since it first formed. The problem is that nobody was around recording data until ~7000 bce. So on a planet that has been constantly changing since its inception it is only the last 9,000 years of millions that preceded it that records any data and all data prior to the late 1800's is mostly observation without any sophisticated equipment with which to record a comprehensive picture. What is really happening is this, we finally can record data globally and analyze it vs last year and last decade. The fact that it is constantly change (as it always has been) scares the hell out of people who want to be able to control everything, and pleases those who are actually trying to control everything and can use the fear factor to their advantage. I think we should apply the scientific method I suggested above to them as well.

It comes as no surprise to me that a society that now denies death by not having bodies present at memorial services should find themselves in ignorance of the basic facts of life. You're born, you constantly adapt to everything around you, your immune system wears out, and you die eventually, but that's only if you survive all the other man made crap that was out to get you, cars, wars, drugs, alcohol, std's, too much pizza, and pharmaceuticals rushed to market for profit before the side effects were properly assessed. You don't control your birth, you only react to life, and you can't prevent your eventual death. Therefore being scared of any of it is absurd as it won't change a damned thing. But if you want to be truly miserable you'll fret over and respond to, every trick of fear your puppet masters yank your strings over to watch you do the Heeby Jeebies dance.

it's been sad to watch unfold....my crew of Vermont, Indiana, the 'burg, Amite county, and StL (me) saw all this stupid shite beginning 40 yrs. ago...

#WeWereTheConglomerate

#hodgepodgeItOnceWasInTheirEyes

it's disturbing how 'the cynic' is now the enemy.....I still say, "fk 'em" every single day now...

I'll share something personal with the board....

I currently have a felon in my employ....as we meander throughout the day, he has chosen to listen simply b/c he understands 'value and opportunity' as it exists today....not all do in the passenger's seat, nor do many have the opportunity to experience such ...that's the real shame in any facet of 'rearing'...

The New Nazis are among us and they are from the radical left this time. But when a city fines people for using appropriate legal descriptive terms it should be the loudest of wake up calls as to the criminal activity of that regime. Illegal means outside of the law. Alien means one who is not a citizen. There is nothing derogatory about either or the combination. They are apt descriptors.

Weather science is what it is. The weather should never ever have been politicized! It's dangerous because when real weather events happen people don't need to be dismissive. The more weather and climate are used for non factual political purposes the less likely they will be taken seriously when legitimate information is released and that endangers public safety.

IMO the Weather Channel turning every Tropical Storm into a potential evacuation event will eventually make people dismissive of their warnings as well. Those putzes do it for ratings since that boosts their ad revenue.

When I was a kid if I got caught in a lie I got my ass busted properly and severely. The problem now is that we have so many adults who think lying, distorting, or attacking the truth is acceptable if it serves "their" cause. The nation needs to deliver the ass busting to those miscreants in lieu of the ones their parents should have given them a long long time ago.

And news agencies caught fostering lies should have their broadcast licenses pulled.
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It gets cold in the winter, then it gets warmer in spring, incredibly, it gets hot in the summer and then somehow cools off in the fall...news at 11
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(09-29-2019 02:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 01:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 11:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 10:16 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:49 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Thanks for this...

#denada

on many an occasion, I embrace being the village idiot.....this is hardly one of those times in discussion...

IMO, it's quite disturbing how too many do not understand proven simple science by definition....and 'lord' only knows how much I've forgotten over time.... 03-wink

04-cheers

The left doesn't want a public that can count, add, subtract, multiply or divide and they don't want reason and logic applied to data (science). The simple truth is that their message cannot bear scrutiny so they don't want their pseudo scientists and pseudo intellectuals to be questioned about anything, ever.

They figured out a long time ago that Americans paid attention to scientists, and that was because we once did. But the "lawyer" that exists in the heart of the left learned in courtrooms decades ago that you fight a real scientist with a whore of a scientist that will say and support what they are paid to say and support. Since then nothing has been the same.

The sad part is that now most Americans don't trust anything. The spirit of Americans was one of optimism when I was a lad. Now the most enlightened Americans are cynics. But that's what happens when organized crime, corporate interests, and Congress become indistinguishable.

The solution is still to apply scientific method. If we can't get the truth out of bogus scientists, then we should dissect them to find out why.

And by the way, climate has been changing on this planet since it first formed. The problem is that nobody was around recording data until ~7000 bce. So on a planet that has been constantly changing since its inception it is only the last 9,000 years of millions that preceded it that records any data and all data prior to the late 1800's is mostly observation without any sophisticated equipment with which to record a comprehensive picture. What is really happening is this, we finally can record data globally and analyze it vs last year and last decade. The fact that it is constantly change (as it always has been) scares the hell out of people who want to be able to control everything, and pleases those who are actually trying to control everything and can use the fear factor to their advantage. I think we should apply the scientific method I suggested above to them as well.

It comes as no surprise to me that a society that now denies death by not having bodies present at memorial services should find themselves in ignorance of the basic facts of life. You're born, you constantly adapt to everything around you, your immune system wears out, and you die eventually, but that's only if you survive all the other man made crap that was out to get you, cars, wars, drugs, alcohol, std's, too much pizza, and pharmaceuticals rushed to market for profit before the side effects were properly assessed. You don't control your birth, you only react to life, and you can't prevent your eventual death. Therefore being scared of any of it is absurd as it won't change a damned thing. But if you want to be truly miserable you'll fret over and respond to, every trick of fear your puppet masters yank your strings over to watch you do the Heeby Jeebies dance.

it's been sad to watch unfold....my crew of Vermont, Indiana, the 'burg, Amite county, and StL (me) saw all this stupid shite beginning 40 yrs. ago...

#WeWereTheConglomerate

#hodgepodgeItOnceWasInTheirEyes

it's disturbing how 'the cynic' is now the enemy.....I still say, "fk 'em" every single day now...

I'll share something personal with the board....

I currently have a felon in my employ....as we meander throughout the day, he has chosen to listen simply b/c he understands 'value and opportunity' as it exists today....not all do in the passenger's seat, nor do many have the opportunity to experience such ...that's the real shame in any facet of 'rearing'...

The New Nazis are among us and they are from the radical left this time. But when a city fines people for using appropriate legal descriptive terms it should be the loudest of wake up calls as to the criminal activity of that regime. Illegal means outside of the law. Alien means one who is not a citizen. There is nothing derogatory about either or the combination. They are apt descriptors.

Weather science is what it is. The weather should never ever have been politicized! It's dangerous because when real weather events happen people don't need to be dismissive. The more weather and climate are used for non factual political purposes the less likely they will be taken seriously when legitimate information is released and that endangers public safety.

IMO the Weather Channel turning every Tropical Storm into a potential evacuation event will eventually make people dismissive of their warnings as well. Those putzes do it for ratings since that boosts their ad revenue.

When I was a kid if I got caught in a lie I got my ass busted properly and severely. The problem now is that we have so many adults who think lying, distorting, or attacking the truth is acceptable if it serves "their" cause. The nation needs to deliver the ass busting to those miscreants in lieu of the ones their parents should have given them a long long time ago.

And news agencies caught fostering lies should have their broadcast licenses pulled.

#tooFKNlate

again, I go back to William Randolph....that POS knew from the beginning how it would play out...today's version is nothing but a continuation...

we easily agree in lack of sensibility within the masses....those arse-holes know it too...

told ya guys, I had a reason posting here....

everyone on the board gets a free one and a party in #Costa if I can make it happen....

#40yrsInTheWorks

#nohints
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You guys keep forgetting the other talking point Trump's administration is sending out. There was a massive snowstorm in eastern Montana yesterday - that's proof that there is no global warming.
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(09-29-2019 02:51 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  You guys keep forgetting the other talking point Trump's administration is sending out. There was a massive snowstorm in eastern Montana yesterday - that's proof that there is no global warming.

#dafuq

nobody with a salient brain has argued against climate change existing as the the world spins....

it's your version of whackjobs that keep pointing out the version o' day w/o verifiable data....

good fk'n luck with that....

you're simply getting your arse handed to ya daily....

and #henceDJT is wearing you out a new one....
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The only thing that's kicking my 'arse' every day is the weather. Working a job outdoors in the deep south is just not doable for me anymore - maybe it's age catching up to me. But I'd prefer to think it's the weather and not my age.
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...-not-evil/

"...Finally, Ms. Thunberg tells us that if we don’t cut off fossil fuels by 2028, the young generation will never forgive us. This, however, is reflective of a blinkered first-world view. When the United Nations asked 10 million people around the world what they prioritize, they highlighted five issues: health, education, jobs, corruption and nutrition. In sum, they care about their kids not dying from easily curable diseases, getting a decent education, not starving to death.
Climate came last of 16 choices. That’s not because it is unimportant, but because for most of humanity, other issues are much more pressing.

The problem is that climate is increasingly trumping all other issues. A third of all development aid, for instance, is now spent addressing climate, in direct defiance of the priorities of the world’s poor.

While we should address climate through higher investments in green-energy R&D, it seems truer to say that most of the world’s young will never forgive us if we prioritized climate above our duty to tackle poverty, health, education and nutrition."
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(09-29-2019 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 01:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 11:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 10:16 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  #denada

on many an occasion, I embrace being the village idiot.....this is hardly one of those times in discussion...

IMO, it's quite disturbing how too many do not understand proven simple science by definition....and 'lord' only knows how much I've forgotten over time.... 03-wink

04-cheers

The left doesn't want a public that can count, add, subtract, multiply or divide and they don't want reason and logic applied to data (science). The simple truth is that their message cannot bear scrutiny so they don't want their pseudo scientists and pseudo intellectuals to be questioned about anything, ever.

They figured out a long time ago that Americans paid attention to scientists, and that was because we once did. But the "lawyer" that exists in the heart of the left learned in courtrooms decades ago that you fight a real scientist with a whore of a scientist that will say and support what they are paid to say and support. Since then nothing has been the same.

The sad part is that now most Americans don't trust anything. The spirit of Americans was one of optimism when I was a lad. Now the most enlightened Americans are cynics. But that's what happens when organized crime, corporate interests, and Congress become indistinguishable.

The solution is still to apply scientific method. If we can't get the truth out of bogus scientists, then we should dissect them to find out why.

And by the way, climate has been changing on this planet since it first formed. The problem is that nobody was around recording data until ~7000 bce. So on a planet that has been constantly changing since its inception it is only the last 9,000 years of millions that preceded it that records any data and all data prior to the late 1800's is mostly observation without any sophisticated equipment with which to record a comprehensive picture. What is really happening is this, we finally can record data globally and analyze it vs last year and last decade. The fact that it is constantly change (as it always has been) scares the hell out of people who want to be able to control everything, and pleases those who are actually trying to control everything and can use the fear factor to their advantage. I think we should apply the scientific method I suggested above to them as well.

It comes as no surprise to me that a society that now denies death by not having bodies present at memorial services should find themselves in ignorance of the basic facts of life. You're born, you constantly adapt to everything around you, your immune system wears out, and you die eventually, but that's only if you survive all the other man made crap that was out to get you, cars, wars, drugs, alcohol, std's, too much pizza, and pharmaceuticals rushed to market for profit before the side effects were properly assessed. You don't control your birth, you only react to life, and you can't prevent your eventual death. Therefore being scared of any of it is absurd as it won't change a damned thing. But if you want to be truly miserable you'll fret over and respond to, every trick of fear your puppet masters yank your strings over to watch you do the Heeby Jeebies dance.

it's been sad to watch unfold....my crew of Vermont, Indiana, the 'burg, Amite county, and StL (me) saw all this stupid shite beginning 40 yrs. ago...

#WeWereTheConglomerate

#hodgepodgeItOnceWasInTheirEyes

it's disturbing how 'the cynic' is now the enemy.....I still say, "fk 'em" every single day now...

I'll share something personal with the board....

I currently have a felon in my employ....as we meander throughout the day, he has chosen to listen simply b/c he understands 'value and opportunity' as it exists today....not all do in the passenger's seat, nor do many have the opportunity to experience such ...that's the real shame in any facet of 'rearing'...

The New Nazis are among us and they are from the radical left this time. But when a city fines people for using appropriate legal descriptive terms it should be the loudest of wake up calls as to the criminal activity of that regime. Illegal means outside of the law. Alien means one who is not a citizen. There is nothing derogatory about either or the combination. They are apt descriptors.

Weather science is what it is. The weather should never ever have been politicized! It's dangerous because when real weather events happen people don't need to be dismissive. The more weather and climate are used for non factual political purposes the less likely they will be taken seriously when legitimate information is released and that endangers public safety.

IMO the Weather Channel turning every Tropical Storm into a potential evacuation event will eventually make people dismissive of their warnings as well. Those putzes do it for ratings since that boosts their ad revenue.

When I was a kid if I got caught in a lie I got my ass busted properly and severely. The problem now is that we have so many adults who think lying, distorting, or attacking the truth is acceptable if it serves "their" cause. The nation needs to deliver the ass busting to those miscreants in lieu of the ones their parents should have given them a long long time ago.

And news agencies caught fostering lies should have their broadcast licenses pulled.

#tooFKNlate

again, I go back to William Randolph....that POS knew from the beginning how it would play out...today's version is nothing but a continuation...

we easily agree in lack of sensibility within the masses....those arse-holes know it too...

told ya guys, I had a reason posting here....

everyone on the board gets a free one and a party in #Costa if I can make it happen....

#40yrsInTheWorks

#nohints

Well that's what happens to little boys whose only happy thought was their sled called Rosebud.

Manipulation of the masses is as old as humanity.

The stupidity to believe it is what can be avoided by a civilized and enlightened nation.

The point is between extremely dumbed down public education and left's desire to import more ignorance, they have done their math and believe that they can swamp us within 20 to 30 years. My calculations are a bit more dire. 2035 will likely be the turning point demographically speaking unless we can close the border and began deportations. But even with that public education is pumping ignorance out faster than life can cure it.

As to 40 years that's how long it's been since H.W. left the CIA and became V.P. for RWR. The Deep state is easily 20 years older than that, but the fall of Iran to the fundamentalists is about right for it, as was/is the failed policy of deficit spending to stay out of recession.

Meanwhile I'll ponder the date.
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Paper on ocean warming withdrawn
Back in the 70s it was global cooling and the new ice age.

The ironic thing is that the remedy for both global cooling and global warming is the same thing: More government control. Coincidental, I think not.


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(09-29-2019 03:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 02:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 01:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 11:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The left doesn't want a public that can count, add, subtract, multiply or divide and they don't want reason and logic applied to data (science). The simple truth is that their message cannot bear scrutiny so they don't want their pseudo scientists and pseudo intellectuals to be questioned about anything, ever.

They figured out a long time ago that Americans paid attention to scientists, and that was because we once did. But the "lawyer" that exists in the heart of the left learned in courtrooms decades ago that you fight a real scientist with a whore of a scientist that will say and support what they are paid to say and support. Since then nothing has been the same.

The sad part is that now most Americans don't trust anything. The spirit of Americans was one of optimism when I was a lad. Now the most enlightened Americans are cynics. But that's what happens when organized crime, corporate interests, and Congress become indistinguishable.

The solution is still to apply scientific method. If we can't get the truth out of bogus scientists, then we should dissect them to find out why.

And by the way, climate has been changing on this planet since it first formed. The problem is that nobody was around recording data until ~7000 bce. So on a planet that has been constantly changing since its inception it is only the last 9,000 years of millions that preceded it that records any data and all data prior to the late 1800's is mostly observation without any sophisticated equipment with which to record a comprehensive picture. What is really happening is this, we finally can record data globally and analyze it vs last year and last decade. The fact that it is constantly change (as it always has been) scares the hell out of people who want to be able to control everything, and pleases those who are actually trying to control everything and can use the fear factor to their advantage. I think we should apply the scientific method I suggested above to them as well.

It comes as no surprise to me that a society that now denies death by not having bodies present at memorial services should find themselves in ignorance of the basic facts of life. You're born, you constantly adapt to everything around you, your immune system wears out, and you die eventually, but that's only if you survive all the other man made crap that was out to get you, cars, wars, drugs, alcohol, std's, too much pizza, and pharmaceuticals rushed to market for profit before the side effects were properly assessed. You don't control your birth, you only react to life, and you can't prevent your eventual death. Therefore being scared of any of it is absurd as it won't change a damned thing. But if you want to be truly miserable you'll fret over and respond to, every trick of fear your puppet masters yank your strings over to watch you do the Heeby Jeebies dance.

it's been sad to watch unfold....my crew of Vermont, Indiana, the 'burg, Amite county, and StL (me) saw all this stupid shite beginning 40 yrs. ago...

#WeWereTheConglomerate

#hodgepodgeItOnceWasInTheirEyes

it's disturbing how 'the cynic' is now the enemy.....I still say, "fk 'em" every single day now...

I'll share something personal with the board....

I currently have a felon in my employ....as we meander throughout the day, he has chosen to listen simply b/c he understands 'value and opportunity' as it exists today....not all do in the passenger's seat, nor do many have the opportunity to experience such ...that's the real shame in any facet of 'rearing'...

The New Nazis are among us and they are from the radical left this time. But when a city fines people for using appropriate legal descriptive terms it should be the loudest of wake up calls as to the criminal activity of that regime. Illegal means outside of the law. Alien means one who is not a citizen. There is nothing derogatory about either or the combination. They are apt descriptors.

Weather science is what it is. The weather should never ever have been politicized! It's dangerous because when real weather events happen people don't need to be dismissive. The more weather and climate are used for non factual political purposes the less likely they will be taken seriously when legitimate information is released and that endangers public safety.

IMO the Weather Channel turning every Tropical Storm into a potential evacuation event will eventually make people dismissive of their warnings as well. Those putzes do it for ratings since that boosts their ad revenue.

When I was a kid if I got caught in a lie I got my ass busted properly and severely. The problem now is that we have so many adults who think lying, distorting, or attacking the truth is acceptable if it serves "their" cause. The nation needs to deliver the ass busting to those miscreants in lieu of the ones their parents should have given them a long long time ago.

And news agencies caught fostering lies should have their broadcast licenses pulled.

#tooFKNlate

again, I go back to William Randolph....that POS knew from the beginning how it would play out...today's version is nothing but a continuation...

we easily agree in lack of sensibility within the masses....those arse-holes know it too...

told ya guys, I had a reason posting here....

everyone on the board gets a free one and a party in #Costa if I can make it happen....

#40yrsInTheWorks

#nohints

Well that's what happens to little boys whose only happy thought was their sled called Rosebud.

Manipulation of the masses is as old as humanity.

The stupidity to believe it is what can be avoided by a civilized and enlightened nation.

The point is between extremely dumbed down public education and left's desire to import more ignorance, they have done their math and believe that they can swamp us within 20 to 30 years. My calculations are a bit more dire. 2035 will likely be the turning point demographically speaking unless we can close the border and began deportations. But even with that public education is pumping ignorance out faster than life can cure it.

As to 40 years that's how long it's been since H.W. left the CIA and became V.P. for RWR. The Deep state is easily 20 years older than that, but the fall of Iran to the fundamentalists is about right for it, as was/is the failed policy of deficit spending to stay out of recession.

Meanwhile I'll ponder the date.

I cannot begin to tell you how much I loved that movie....you'd never think it from a li'l whipper snapper, eh?

that's as good an analogy as I've read over time to o'day...

fwiw, #theConglomerate had it pegged by '30...

disclaimer: nice dig on WRH....told ya I read everything....at least there's a handful that can 'comprehend'....

Welles was another sadistic genius on the screen.....

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(09-29-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The only thing that's kicking my 'arse' every day is the weather. Working a job outdoors in the deep south is just not doable for me anymore - maybe it's age catching up to me. But I'd prefer to think it's the weather and not my age.

if ewe live it Youston, it's a given like living in south missers' sippi....

it's easily age takin' a toll at the 'booth'.....
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(09-27-2019 06:04 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The UN just released a new ocean warming report this week that was much more damning than this 2018 report. The report was issued by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Control, and was pretty dire.

Among other things it said that the rate ocean temperatures are getting warmer has doubled since 1993, and if things aren't held in check somehow, we're looking at 5 to 7 times hotter oceans in the future (can't remember the exact time frame but it might have been 2100 and beyond?).

Because of ocean temperatures and other factors, the number of fish we'll be able to sustainably catch will drop by 25 percent by the end of the century. Plus with rising sea levels, a lot of coastal communities will be hugely impacted due to both the rising waters and less fish.

Just look at Hurricane Lorenzo if you don't believe ocean temperatures are rising - that's the first Cat 4 hurricane ever recorded that far out east in the Atlantic.

And to be honest, I'm not just concerned with ocean water temperatures rising, local streams, lakes and other bodies of water seem to be carrying dangerous bacteria. I have to look up the numbers but flesh-eating bacteria deaths due to people swimming in local lakes, etc., are at an all-time record high. That is one scary (and fast) death. We just had a 10 year old girl in Texas who died this month due to a bacterial brain-eating infection. That seems like the 3rd or 4th such death in the U.S. this summer alone.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/25/ipcc...ge-report/ (more on UN report)

There's no such quantity as "5 to 7 times hotter." You can't quantify something as "twice as hot" as something else. Heat can't be measured that way.

It's garbage like this that makes people doubt climate science.


And yes, I think the preponderance of evidence is that the world is warming. But man, the idiots in charge of conducting "climate science" are doing everything they can to discredit themselves. They make economists look like physicists as far as the certainty of their modeling and the levels of proof they're using.
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(09-29-2019 03:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...-not-evil/

"...Finally, Ms. Thunberg tells us that if we don’t cut off fossil fuels by 2028, the young generation will never forgive us. This, however, is reflective of a blinkered first-world view. When the United Nations asked 10 million people around the world what they prioritize, they highlighted five issues: health, education, jobs, corruption and nutrition. In sum, they care about their kids not dying from easily curable diseases, getting a decent education, not starving to death.
Climate came last of 16 choices. That’s not because it is unimportant, but because for most of humanity, other issues are much more pressing.

The problem is that climate is increasingly trumping all other issues. A third of all development aid, for instance, is now spent addressing climate, in direct defiance of the priorities of the world’s poor.

While we should address climate through higher investments in green-energy R&D, it seems truer to say that most of the world’s young will never forgive us if we prioritized climate above our duty to tackle poverty, health, education and nutrition."

A very solid assessment Bullet. But to tie it all together think about these seemingly disparate things: The chief purveyors of the global personal and national debts are the super wealthy, who coincidentally are among the largest purchasers, through the central banks they back, of precious metals. They also are quietly supportive of the fossil fuel agenda while heavily invested in public transportation, rails, and alternative energy sources. They are also heavily behind the pro abortion movement, while at the same time being the foremost among those concerned with global population control.

It is therefore wholly reasonable with their investments and political views to support the push for the environment while simultaneously caring very little about the poor masses and their immediate needs.

It has long been the agenda of the intellectual elites to massively thin the heard. Hitler took care of 7 million, Stalin took care of another 32, and Mao holds the mass murder high total at an estimated 61 million. None of those 3 had modern means.

The so called globalists would love to do away with the nation state and implement corporate fiat for law. They could abort as many as possible, and since they are also heavily invested in insurance companies (including health insurance) and would love to get health care costs off the backs of their corporations push a single payer high cost program on the middle class and poor so they could passively withhold treatments at certain ages to genocide the elderly. Then with their absolute control over hiring and firing people around the globe they could manipulate into starvation any or all who disagreed with their pogroms. Oh and by the way they now through corporate interests own a vast majority of farmland internationally.

Their view of a great planet is to clean it up by eliminating people which are the chief cause of most forms of pollution, and controlling the population for their own ends. Democracy, nation states, and the threat of war is the only thing preventing this. Their only means of defense currently is to buy off a threat.

Like the Nazi's and top communist party members, and all elitists before them, their vision of a better humanity and a better world is much much more exclusive. It is also why through their families and corporations they have bought so many of the world's water rights.

If they ever gain that control their numbers in the resultant genocides passively executed through the withholding of medical treatment, the withholding of jobs, the constriction on the food and water supply will make the murders committed by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and the Kamar Rouge look paltry by comparison.

So they aren't being illogical, they aren't contradicting themselves, and they aren't just missing the point with regard to the needs of the common poor person. But they are reading he situation quite accurately and are quite coldly preparing to advance their agenda on those weaknesses and if possible to lay the blame at the feet of the failed nation state and UN models so that "Corporate Multinationals" can step in as the voice of reason and when power is assumed, coldly finish their agenda. They back the alt left and push gridlock and party partisanship because it serves their agenda to erode the people's faith in government. And nobody on this board should forget that, left or right in orientation.
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(09-29-2019 04:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 06:04 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The UN just released a new ocean warming report this week that was much more damning than this 2018 report. The report was issued by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Control, and was pretty dire.
Among other things it said that the rate ocean temperatures are getting warmer has doubled since 1993, and if things aren't held in check somehow, we're looking at 5 to 7 times hotter oceans in the future (can't remember the exact time frame but it might have been 2100 and beyond?).
Because of ocean temperatures and other factors, the number of fish we'll be able to sustainably catch will drop by 25 percent by the end of the century. Plus with rising sea levels, a lot of coastal communities will be hugely impacted due to both the rising waters and less fish.
Just look at Hurricane Lorenzo if you don't believe ocean temperatures are rising - that's the first Cat 4 hurricane ever recorded that far out east in the Atlantic.
And to be honest, I'm not just concerned with ocean water temperatures rising, local streams, lakes and other bodies of water seem to be carrying dangerous bacteria. I have to look up the numbers but flesh-eating bacteria deaths due to people swimming in local lakes, etc., are at an all-time record high. That is one scary (and fast) death. We just had a 10 year old girl in Texas who died this month due to a bacterial brain-eating infection. That seems like the 3rd or 4th such death in the U.S. this summer alone.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/25/ipcc...ge-report/ (more on UN report)
There's no such quantity as "5 to 7 times hotter." You can't quantify something as "twice as hot" as something else. Heat can't be measured that way.
It's garbage like this that makes people doubt climate science.
And yes, I think the preponderance of evidence is that the world is warming. But man, the idiots in charge of conducting "climate science" are doing everything they can to discredit themselves. They make economists look like physicists as far as the certainty of their modeling and the levels of proof they're using.

Exactly. As an economist (undergrad), it's nice to be made to look like a physicist.

And I would add that one thing Greta Thunberg had right is that the proposed "solutions" from the global warming alarmists are not so much as a drop in the bucket. If global warming is truly an existential problem, then a combination of increased taxes, wealth redistribution, and minimal impact on temperatures is not a viable solution. We need solutions whose impact will be measured in degrees, not tenths of degrees. And if the trend reverse what happened between the 70s and now, and starts trending colder instead of warmer, we may very well need to rethink the whole thing.
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Greta has lost her childhood...Global warming is destroying everything...the seas are rising..and yet... I can still get bank financing for a house on any beach in NC. Think about that for a second.
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(09-29-2019 04:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-29-2019 04:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 06:04 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The UN just released a new ocean warming report this week that was much more damning than this 2018 report. The report was issued by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Control, and was pretty dire.
Among other things it said that the rate ocean temperatures are getting warmer has doubled since 1993, and if things aren't held in check somehow, we're looking at 5 to 7 times hotter oceans in the future (can't remember the exact time frame but it might have been 2100 and beyond?).
Because of ocean temperatures and other factors, the number of fish we'll be able to sustainably catch will drop by 25 percent by the end of the century. Plus with rising sea levels, a lot of coastal communities will be hugely impacted due to both the rising waters and less fish.
Just look at Hurricane Lorenzo if you don't believe ocean temperatures are rising - that's the first Cat 4 hurricane ever recorded that far out east in the Atlantic.
And to be honest, I'm not just concerned with ocean water temperatures rising, local streams, lakes and other bodies of water seem to be carrying dangerous bacteria. I have to look up the numbers but flesh-eating bacteria deaths due to people swimming in local lakes, etc., are at an all-time record high. That is one scary (and fast) death. We just had a 10 year old girl in Texas who died this month due to a bacterial brain-eating infection. That seems like the 3rd or 4th such death in the U.S. this summer alone.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/25/ipcc...ge-report/ (more on UN report)
There's no such quantity as "5 to 7 times hotter." You can't quantify something as "twice as hot" as something else. Heat can't be measured that way.
It's garbage like this that makes people doubt climate science.
And yes, I think the preponderance of evidence is that the world is warming. But man, the idiots in charge of conducting "climate science" are doing everything they can to discredit themselves. They make economists look like physicists as far as the certainty of their modeling and the levels of proof they're using.

Exactly. As an economist (undergrad), it's nice to be made to look like a physicist.

And I would add that one thing Greta Thunberg had right is that the proposed "solutions" from the global warming alarmists are not so much as a drop in the bucket. If global warming is truly an existential problem, then a combination of increased taxes, wealth redistribution, and minimal impact on temperatures is not a viable solution. We need solutions whose impact will be measured in degrees, not tenths of degrees. And if the trend reverse what happened between the 70s and now, and starts trending colder instead of warmer, we may very well need to rethink the whole thing.

hfs, and good god from fk'n gulfport....

when are you goons going too realize the difference between "pollution" is the only 'matter' while the harvest is being planned in scope...

the day I listen to a 'force fed' 16 yr. old dingo, is the day ewe don't wanna see...

you micro thinkers are something else....

in ENTIRETY, ITS FULL BLOWN, OFF THE CHAIN, IMPROVABLE IN ANY MACRO CAPACITY....

#pollutionREDUCTION should be the focus...

but nah, nobody wants to talk about reality.....they simply wanna pine about the 'scre(en)am'....

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(09-29-2019 03:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The only thing that's kicking my 'arse' every day is the weather. Working a job outdoors in the deep south is just not doable for me anymore - maybe it's age catching up to me. But I'd prefer to think it's the weather and not my age.


It's definitely you Bend. I tell my wife that it amazes me that I could work outside day in and out when off from work and during my work day. For my first 15 years when our airport had the government refueling contract we'd be out there refueling every conceivable aircraft, civilian and military, in blazing heat with jets spewing it's exhaust from every direction and the tarmac burning the soles of your work shoes. The aircraft skin so hot that if you didn't wear gloves you'd burn your hands. But, I was 23 when I started and the heat wasn't as bad as now only because I'm old. I still can't understand how I was able to withstand the heat. But, I had to as my kids had a bad habit, they liked to eat.

It's an age thing Bend and it's no hotter today than it was when we were young.
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