(09-20-2019 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Keep in mind that whatever the ACC network charges is split 50/50 with ESPN first, then the half that remains is divided among the schools.
Some estimates I've seen fail to give ESPN their cut.

Plus account for the $3 Million per team the ACC is ALREADY been getting and still suffering from the massive revenue gap.

Hope the ACCN gets north of $10 million per team or it's an issue.

(09-20-2019 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Keep in mind that whatever the ACC network charges is split 50/50 with ESPN first, then the half that remains is divided among the schools.
Some estimates I've seen fail to give ESPN their cut.

That's not how it works. You get a $1.00 in footprint per subscription and 50 cents out of footprint. That amount is totaled as Gross Revenue. ESPN then subtracts its overhead, which is a relevant amount. Then that total represents the NET profit The NET profit is then split 50/50 with the ESPN. The 50% of the remaining NET profit is then divided by 16. That's one full share for each member school (of which N.D. is included) and 1 full share for the Conference Operation Fund.

(09-20-2019 01:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Keep in mind that whatever the ACC network charges is split 50/50 with ESPN first, then the half that remains is divided among the schools.
Some estimates I've seen fail to give ESPN their cut.

That's not how it works. You get a $1.00 in footprint per subscription and 50 cents out of footprint. That amount is totaled as Gross Revenue. ESPN then subtracts its overhead, which is a relevant amount. Then that total represents the NET profit The NET profit is then split 50/50 with the ESPN. The 50% of the remaining NET profit is then divided by 16. That's one full share for each member school (of which N.D. is included) and 1 full share for the Conference Operation Fund.

True but there are also advertising revenues to be added. Yes, I know the ads so far often look low rent but it's still early. The ads you see today may have been placed two or three months ago. For that matter, even cheap looking ads can generate real revenue when you're talking about a 24-7 network. There's a reason your local TV station broadcasts all night running really cheap ads.

(09-20-2019 01:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Keep in mind that whatever the ACC network charges is split 50/50 with ESPN first, then the half that remains is divided among the schools.
Some estimates I've seen fail to give ESPN their cut.

That's not how it works. You get a $1.00 in footprint per subscription and 50 cents out of footprint. That amount is totaled as Gross Revenue. ESPN then subtracts its overhead, which is a relevant amount. Then that total represents the NET profit The NET profit is then split 50/50 with the ESPN. The 50% of the remaining NET profit is then divided by 16. That's one full share for each member school (of which N.D. is included) and 1 full share for the Conference Operation Fund.

Where is Duke's and ND's footprint?

For example in MD, the DC media market overlaps into Northern Va and to the Delmava, IIRC. VT football and UVa basketball is carried in that media market as is MD. ND is physically located in South Bend, but they are a Chicagoland media market darling. Duke basketball might be more popular from a positive attention standpoint in the greater NYC (NJ and Conn) area than in the State of NC.

50 cents or a $1 in those markets?

https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/upload...MA-Map.pdf

The Boston media market - the (BC footprint) - includes parts of Mass and NH
Chicago - (ND footprint) - parts of Indiana and Illinois
DC - (VT.UVa) parts of West Va, MD, Va
Pensacola - (FSU) parts of Florida, Alabama, Louisiana
Bristol Va - (VT, UVa) parts of Tennesse and Virginia
Chattanoga TN (GT) parts of Georgia and Tennessee
NYC - (Syracuse, ND?, Duke?) parts of NY, Conn, and NJ

Is a State line more magical than a DMA line?

By my best low guess, there are around 6 million households that are insided an ACC DMA but are not inside an ACC State. About 42 million households inside an ACC State. Then how do you account for Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Northern NH, Greater Baltimore, Southwest Michigan, etc?

(09-20-2019 02:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 01:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Keep in mind that whatever the ACC network charges is split 50/50 with ESPN first, then the half that remains is divided among the schools.
Some estimates I've seen fail to give ESPN their cut.

That's not how it works. You get a $1.00 in footprint per subscription and 50 cents out of footprint. That amount is totaled as Gross Revenue. ESPN then subtracts its overhead, which is a relevant amount. Then that total represents the NET profit The NET profit is then split 50/50 with the ESPN. The 50% of the remaining NET profit is then divided by 16. That's one full share for each member school (of which N.D. is included) and 1 full share for the Conference Operation Fund.

Where is Duke's and ND's footprint?

For example in MD, the DC media market overlaps into Northern Va and to the Delmava, IIRC. VT football and UVa basketball is carried in that media market as is MD. ND is physically located in South Bend, but they are a Chicagoland media market darling. Duke basketball might be more popular from a positive attention standpoint in the greater NYC (NJ and Conn) area than in the State of NC.

50 cents or a $1 in those markets?

https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/upload...MA-Map.pdf

The Boston media market - the (BC footprint) - includes parts of Mass and NH
Chicago - (ND footprint) - parts of Indiana and Illinois
DC - (VT.UVa) parts of West Va, MD, Va
Pensacola - (FSU) parts of Florida, Alabama, Louisiana
Bristol Va - (VT, UVa) parts of Tennesse and Virginia
Chattanoga TN (GT) parts of Georgia and Tennessee
NYC - (Syracuse, ND?, Duke?) parts of NY, Conn, and NJ

Is a State line more magical than a DMA line?

By my best low guess, there are around 6 million households that are insided an ACC DMA but are not inside an ACC State. About 42 million households inside an ACC State. Then how do you account for Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Northern NH, Greater Baltimore, Southwest Michigan, etc?

That's a legitimate question that the ACC commissioner (Swofford) should have been hammering ESPN with prior to the launch. N.D. is a better than average draw in Chicago, Cincinnati, New York City, Connecticut, Boston, and arguable elsewhere. I think that the ACC should be getting $1 in all of those areas in exchange for ESPN getting 5 games out of the Irish.

They absolutely should be getting a buck throughout Indiana.

No doubt that Duke hoops plays well in NYC and parts of New England.

If the ACC doesn't get a dollar in all of the areas that N.D. historically draws very well, then I would lay the blame on your commissioner.

I can understand why ESPN wouldn't give a dollar for ND's draw in Los Angeles, but NYC, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Boston, D.C., etc. is an issue because N.D. gives the Mouse a backdoor into advertising in those areas without having to utilize the Big 10 to do so. They are already gleaning profits that don't directly show up for the ACCN and IMO the ACC should be due a portion of those.

(09-20-2019 03:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 02:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 01:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Keep in mind that whatever the ACC network charges is split 50/50 with ESPN first, then the half that remains is divided among the schools.
Some estimates I've seen fail to give ESPN their cut.

That's not how it works. You get a $1.00 in footprint per subscription and 50 cents out of footprint. That amount is totaled as Gross Revenue. ESPN then subtracts its overhead, which is a relevant amount. Then that total represents the NET profit The NET profit is then split 50/50 with the ESPN. The 50% of the remaining NET profit is then divided by 16. That's one full share for each member school (of which N.D. is included) and 1 full share for the Conference Operation Fund.

Where is Duke's and ND's footprint?

For example in MD, the DC media market overlaps into Northern Va and to the Delmava, IIRC. VT football and UVa basketball is carried in that media market as is MD. ND is physically located in South Bend, but they are a Chicagoland media market darling. Duke basketball might be more popular from a positive attention standpoint in the greater NYC (NJ and Conn) area than in the State of NC.

50 cents or a $1 in those markets?

https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/upload...MA-Map.pdf

The Boston media market - the (BC footprint) - includes parts of Mass and NH
Chicago - (ND footprint) - parts of Indiana and Illinois
DC - (VT.UVa) parts of West Va, MD, Va
Pensacola - (FSU) parts of Florida, Alabama, Louisiana
Bristol Va - (VT, UVa) parts of Tennesse and Virginia
Chattanoga TN (GT) parts of Georgia and Tennessee
NYC - (Syracuse, ND?, Duke?) parts of NY, Conn, and NJ

Is a State line more magical than a DMA line?

By my best low guess, there are around 6 million households that are insided an ACC DMA but are not inside an ACC State. About 42 million households inside an ACC State. Then how do you account for Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, Northern NH, Greater Baltimore, Southwest Michigan, etc?

That's a legitimate question that the ACC commissioner (Swofford) should have been hammering ESPN with prior to the launch. N.D. is a better than average draw in Chicago, Cincinnati, New York City, Connecticut, Boston, and arguable elsewhere. I think that the ACC should be getting $1 in all of those areas in exchange for ESPN getting 5 games out of the Irish.

They absolutely should be getting a buck throughout Indiana.

No doubt that Duke hoops plays well in NYC and parts of New England.

If the ACC doesn't get a dollar in all of the areas that N.D. historically draws very well, then I would lay the blame on your commissioner.

I can understand why ESPN wouldn't give a dollar for ND's draw in Los Angeles, but NYC, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Boston, D.C., etc. is an issue because N.D. gives the Mouse a backdoor into advertising in those areas without having to utilize the Big 10 to do so. They are already gleaning profits that don't directly show up for the ACCN and IMO the ACC should be due a portion of those.

It’s not ESPN giving the ACC a dollar or 50 cents; it’s cable companies and other carriers giving ACCN the money which is then split between ESPN and the ACC. ESPN and the ACC are on the same side of the table. Exactly which areas are in and out of the ACC footprint is probably a major area for negotiation.

ESPN and FSU are not allies. Not sure about the ACC, but ESPN is no friend to FSU. With friends like these.

ESPN IS a partner with the SEC. The work overtime to push their narrative. NOT the same relationship.

No mention of ACCN with regards to U-Verse or AT&T TV Now. I guess we will find out soon.

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/d...-agreement

Comcast last man standing now ...

I may have missed this somewhere, but any idea why some would be acc network games are on fox sports south today? I tend to recall thinking the acc would continue to syndicate some games instead having a split feed, but wasn’t sure if something else was in play, that had already been discussed?

(09-21-2019 01:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I may have missed this somewhere, but any idea why some would be acc network games are on fox sports south today? I tend to recall thinking the acc would continue to syndicate some games instead having a split feed, but wasn’t sure if something else was in play, that had already been discussed?

All I can say is apparently they bought out Raycom but not the Fox RSNs.

(09-21-2019 01:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I may have missed this somewhere, but any idea why some would be acc network games are on fox sports south today? I tend to recall thinking the acc would continue to syndicate some games instead having a split feed, but wasn’t sure if something else was in play, that had already been discussed?

We learned back in May that the RSN contract was going to continue through the 2026-2027 season. Basically, Disney/ESPN chose to not buy that out like many assumed was going to happen. The contract was extended to 2026-2027 back when Pitt and Cuse joined the conference. Luckily, it not get extended to 2036-2037.

This RSN contact is the one that includes 17 football games and some basketball games.

(09-22-2019 12:17 AM)Schema Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 01:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I may have missed this somewhere, but any idea why some would be acc network games are on fox sports south today? I tend to recall thinking the acc would continue to syndicate some games instead having a split feed, but wasn’t sure if something else was in play, that had already been discussed?

We learned back in May that the RSN contract was going to continue through the 2026-2027 season. Basically, Disney/ESPN chose to not buy that out like many assumed was going to happen. The contract was extended to 2026-2027 back when Pitt and Cuse joined the conference. Luckily, it not get extended to 2036-2037.

This RSN contact is the one that includes 17 football games and some basketball games.

Yes....They show ACC vs FCS or G5 games.... Question is how much does the Conf get for that package

(09-22-2019 07:21 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 12:17 AM)Schema Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 01:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I may have missed this somewhere, but any idea why some would be acc network games are on fox sports south today? I tend to recall thinking the acc would continue to syndicate some games instead having a split feed, but wasn’t sure if something else was in play, that had already been discussed?

We learned back in May that the RSN contract was going to continue through the 2026-2027 season. Basically, Disney/ESPN chose to not buy that out like many assumed was going to happen. The contract was extended to 2026-2027 back when Pitt and Cuse joined the conference. Luckily, it not get extended to 2036-2037.

This RSN contact is the one that includes 17 football games and some basketball games.

Yes....They show ACC vs FCS or G5 games.... Question is how much does the Conf get for that package

The FSN package is a sublicense of the ESPN rights package. The conference gets paid by ESPN under its contract with ESPN. ESPN keeps any payments made by FSN to help cover its payments to the conference.

(09-22-2019 09:36 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 07:21 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 12:17 AM)Schema Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 01:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I may have missed this somewhere, but any idea why some would be acc network games are on fox sports south today? I tend to recall thinking the acc would continue to syndicate some games instead having a split feed, but wasn’t sure if something else was in play, that had already been discussed?

We learned back in May that the RSN contract was going to continue through the 2026-2027 season. Basically, Disney/ESPN chose to not buy that out like many assumed was going to happen. The contract was extended to 2026-2027 back when Pitt and Cuse joined the conference. Luckily, it not get extended to 2036-2037.

This RSN contact is the one that includes 17 football games and some basketball games.

Yes....They show ACC vs FCS or G5 games.... Question is how much does the Conf get for that package

The FSN package is a sublicense of the ESPN rights package. The conference gets paid by ESPN under its contract with ESPN. ESPN keeps any payments made by FSN to help cover its payments to the conference.

At best I would say the ACC might get a cut of the advertising money - maybe.

Kimberly Whitler writes for Forbes on Comcast’s foolish refusal to carry ACCN. I’ll warn you, though, that Whitler is somewhat naive. She doesn’t understand why Comcast doesn’t just offer ACCN on a premium band and charge for it. ACCN doesn’t allow that arrangement within the ACC footprint, although it has allowed Spectrum to force its legacy customers to switch to different plans, some of which cost more.

(09-22-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Kimberly Whitler writes for Forbes on Comcast’s foolish refusal to carry ACCN. I’ll warn you, though, that Whitler is somewhat naive. She doesn’t understand why Comcast doesn’t just offer ACCN on a premium band and charge for it. ACCN doesn’t allow that arrangement within the ACC footprint, although it has allowed Spectrum to force its legacy customers to switch to different plans, some of which cost more.

I'm not sure. After talking to the wife she informed me that several women she works with (upper level management in health care) were all mutually pissed at ATT. They tossed ATT out of their houses even while their husbands, me included, found they could watch the ACCN on Hulu and still sit at the computer. It's not so much their alma mater as it is the schools they hate and are allowed to hate openly like men. It's hilarious to hear a female Clemson fan's allegations regarding Duke and Carolina, and how NC State is made to serve those two in order for Duke and UNC to run the league.

The bigger point is that I think it takes a lot of **** to get men to switch a produce. Women are easier to piss off and raise a different kind of hell. Maybe it's a generational thing, but those that held out will be punished for a long time.

After this weekend, it looks like we will enter a stretch of there only being two games on the ACCN per week.

We were originally told there would be a total of 40 football games on the ACCN this year. They front-loaded the first several weeks by having five games on the first week (one on Thursday, one on Friday, and three on Saturday), five on the second week (one on Friday and four on Saturday), four on the third week (one on Friday and three on Saturday), three on the fourth week, and we know there will be three this weekend. So, that's a total of 20 games through this upcoming Saturday, which leaves us with 20 more. There are nine weeks remaining after this Saturday. So, I'm assuming that means there is only going to be two games on seven of those weeks, and then two weeks that have three games.

My gut tells me that future years will not be so front-loaded and there will probably be a more balanced layout of three games for most weeks of the season. Plus, not all years will have the extra off week like this season.

Additionally, there have been four games on the RSN package so far and another one this upcoming Saturday. We were told there would be a total of 17 like in previous years. So, that leaves 12 more over the final nine weeks. So, three of those weeks will have two RSN games and only one RSN game on the other six weeks. I'm assuming the weeks where there are two RSN games, will also be weeks where there are only two games on the ACCN.

Anyway, just some observations.

It will be interesting to see what happens after the RSN package expires in 2026-2027. Will there be a need for an alternate ACCN channel at that point? It is far enough away that I'm not going to think about it too much now. :)

(09-23-2019 11:40 AM)Schema Wrote:  After this weekend, it looks like we will enter a stretch of there only being two games on the ACCN per week.

We were originally told there would be a total of 40 football games on the ACCN this year. They front-loaded the first several weeks by having five games on the first week (one on Thursday, one on Friday, and three on Saturday), five on the second week (one on Friday and four on Saturday), four on the third week (one on Friday and three on Saturday), three on the fourth week, and we know there will be three this weekend. So, that's a total of 20 games through this upcoming Saturday, which leaves us with 20 more. There are nine weeks remaining after this Saturday. So, I'm assuming that means there is only going to be two games on seven of those weeks, and then two weeks that have three games.

My gut tells me that future years will not be so front-loaded and there will probably be a more balanced layout of three games for most weeks of the season. Plus, not all years will have the extra off week like this season.

Additionally, there have been four games on the RSN package so far and another one this upcoming Saturday. We were told there would be a total of 17 like in previous years. So, that leaves 12 more over the final nine weeks. So, three of those weeks will have two RSN games and only one RSN game on the other six weeks. I'm assuming the weeks where there are two RSN games, will also be weeks where there are only two games on the ACCN.

Anyway, just some observations.

It will be interesting to see what happens after the RSN package expires in 2026-2027. Will there be a need for an alternate ACCN channel at that point? It is far enough away that I'm not going to think about it too much now. :)

Week 6 schedule set. With only 4 available games, 2 are set for the ACCN, 1 for the RSN package, and 1 for either ABC, ESPN or ESPN2. Interesting to see that placing two games on ACCN was given priority over placing a game in another slot on the ESPN networks.

https://twitter.com/uoflfootball/status/...45024?s=12


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