Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

Wake Forest is undefeated

clt says clemson will not cover this weekend

(09-15-2019 08:09 PM)nole Wrote:  Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

(09-16-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 08:09 PM)nole Wrote:  Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

That really depends on how well the 2 SEC teams have performed OOC. No one can possibly use that excuse legitimately, this season, for the ACC. The ACC, thus far, has performed horribly this season, with the exception of Clemson. A couple more programs may also get some kudos for their play but no one knows at this time. The only team that we know is good is Clemson.

(09-16-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 08:09 PM)nole Wrote:  Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

A lot of "football" schools love to dance around this question. And, it is great question?

(09-16-2019 11:13 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 08:09 PM)nole Wrote:  Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

A lot of "football" schools love to dance around this question. And, it is great question?

No, it's a horribly-worded question (like asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is leading as well as misleading).

Cuseroc is 100% correct -- it's all about the non-conference games. Win them, and your conference is strong; lose them the way the ACC has been losing this year, and all of a sudden it just doesn't matter who you beat in conference because none of those teams won outside the conference.

Hopefully the ACC saves face in bowl season, because outside of Clemson (and one decent OOC win by UNC) this year has been AWFUL!

(09-16-2019 12:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 11:13 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 08:09 PM)nole Wrote:  Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

A lot of "football" schools love to dance around this question. And, it is great question?

No, it's a horribly-worded question (like asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is leading as well as misleading).

Cuseroc is 100% correct -- it's all about the non-conference games. Win them, and your conference is strong; lose them the way the ACC has been losing this year, and all of a sudden it just doesn't matter who you beat in conference because none of those teams won outside the conference.

Hopefully the ACC saves face in bowl season, because outside of Clemson (and one decent OOC win by UNC) this year has been AWFUL!

Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

(09-16-2019 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

You pose a great case study on "Perception of Good football in the $ec"

(09-16-2019 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

Exactly.

The SEC hasn't blown me away this year yet.

What hurts the ACC is the perception that comes with traditional football powers - Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech being down.

If those 3 were all 3 and 0 at this point, and everyone else had sucked worse than they are so far this year ... the perception would be that the ACC is a strong conference.

But they haven't, so the ACC is down.

Those losses were clocked by the SEC cellar teams. The ACC has ugly up and down the standings outside Oconee County.

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(09-16-2019 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 11:13 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-15-2019 08:09 PM)nole Wrote:  Because this conference is a wreck without you.

You can't get enough credit. 12 teams (or so) and 1 is carrying the weight.

ACC HAS to do better than that. I wish FSU was one doing it's part....sadly, it's not.

When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

A lot of "football" schools love to dance around this question. And, it is great question?

No, it's a horribly-worded question (like asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is leading as well as misleading).

Cuseroc is 100% correct -- it's all about the non-conference games. Win them, and your conference is strong; lose them the way the ACC has been losing this year, and all of a sudden it just doesn't matter who you beat in conference because none of those teams won outside the conference.

Hopefully the ACC saves face in bowl season, because outside of Clemson (and one decent OOC win by UNC) this year has been AWFUL!

Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

The fact is that the ACC, at this point has six teams that are sitting at 1-2 records while the SEC has three teams with 1-2 records. Thats half as many teams with losing records. The ACC's best ooc win sits at 1-2. Almost half the ACC has losing records, while only 3 out of 14 teams have losing records in the SEC.

Rarely, if ever, does the SEC start a season the way the ACC has. And, if they do, they have built up such a rep that they can get a pass. The ACC doesnt have that type of rep yet. Im not one of those wannabeSEC guys but to try to argue that the ACC is getting a bad rap this season is CrayCray. Its well deserved so far.

(09-16-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 11:13 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 10:47 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  When an ACC team loses to another ACC team, it's a sign of how weak the ACC is. When an SEC team loses to another SEC team, it's a sign of how strong the SEC is. Why is that?

A lot of "football" schools love to dance around this question. And, it is great question?

No, it's a horribly-worded question (like asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is leading as well as misleading).

Cuseroc is 100% correct -- it's all about the non-conference games. Win them, and your conference is strong; lose them the way the ACC has been losing this year, and all of a sudden it just doesn't matter who you beat in conference because none of those teams won outside the conference.

Hopefully the ACC saves face in bowl season, because outside of Clemson (and one decent OOC win by UNC) this year has been AWFUL!

Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

The fact is that the ACC, at this point has six teams that are sitting at 1-2 records while the SEC has three teams with 1-2 records. Thats half as many teams with losing records. The ACC's best ooc win sits at 1-2. Almost half the ACC has losing records, while only 3 out of 14 teams have losing records in the SEC.

Rarely, if ever, does the SEC start a season the way the ACC has. And, if they do, they have built up such a rep that they can get a pass. The ACC doesnt have that type of rep yet. Im not one of those wannabeSEC guys but to try to argue that the ACC is getting a bad rap this season is CrayCray. Its well deserved so far.

The worse record for the ACC has more than a little to do with the fact that so far the SEC has only played 4 conference games while the ACC has played 6 with 2 of those games involving Clemson.

(09-16-2019 03:49 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 11:13 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  A lot of "football" schools love to dance around this question. And, it is great question?

No, it's a horribly-worded question (like asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is leading as well as misleading).

Cuseroc is 100% correct -- it's all about the non-conference games. Win them, and your conference is strong; lose them the way the ACC has been losing this year, and all of a sudden it just doesn't matter who you beat in conference because none of those teams won outside the conference.

Hopefully the ACC saves face in bowl season, because outside of Clemson (and one decent OOC win by UNC) this year has been AWFUL!

Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

The fact is that the ACC, at this point has six teams that are sitting at 1-2 records while the SEC has three teams with 1-2 records. Thats half as many teams with losing records. The ACC's best ooc win sits at 1-2. Almost half the ACC has losing records, while only 3 out of 14 teams have losing records in the SEC.

Rarely, if ever, does the SEC start a season the way the ACC has. And, if they do, they have built up such a rep that they can get a pass. The ACC doesnt have that type of rep yet. Im not one of those wannabeSEC guys but to try to argue that the ACC is getting a bad rap this season is CrayCray. Its well deserved so far.

The worse record for the ACC has more than a little to do with the fact that so far the SEC has only played 4 conference games while the ACC has played 6 with 2 of those games involving Clemson.

Just doing a quick check shows the SEC has 7 ooc losses. The ACC has 10.

(09-16-2019 05:59 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 03:49 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 03:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 12:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  No, it's a horribly-worded question (like asking "have you stopped beating your wife?" The question is leading as well as misleading).

Cuseroc is 100% correct -- it's all about the non-conference games. Win them, and your conference is strong; lose them the way the ACC has been losing this year, and all of a sudden it just doesn't matter who you beat in conference because none of those teams won outside the conference.

Hopefully the ACC saves face in bowl season, because outside of Clemson (and one decent OOC win by UNC) this year has been AWFUL!

Seems like I remember the SEC having some OOC loses this season. Missouri lost to Wyoming. USC lost to UNC. Tennessee lost to Ga. State and BYU. Vandy lost to Purdue. Ol' Miss lost to Memphis. Miss State lost to Kansas State. Texas A&M lost to Clemson. Sure, some of those were good losses but Wyoming, Ga. State, Memphis are bad losses by anyone's definition. UNC, Purdue, BYU and Kansas State aren't exactly powerhouses. Why do these losses not matter while the ACC's OOC loses are devastating evidence of weakness?

The fact is that the ACC, at this point has six teams that are sitting at 1-2 records while the SEC has three teams with 1-2 records. Thats half as many teams with losing records. The ACC's best ooc win sits at 1-2. Almost half the ACC has losing records, while only 3 out of 14 teams have losing records in the SEC.

Rarely, if ever, does the SEC start a season the way the ACC has. And, if they do, they have built up such a rep that they can get a pass. The ACC doesnt have that type of rep yet. Im not one of those wannabeSEC guys but to try to argue that the ACC is getting a bad rap this season is CrayCray. Its well deserved so far.

The worse record for the ACC has more than a little to do with the fact that so far the SEC has only played 4 conference games while the ACC has played 6 with 2 of those games involving Clemson.

Just doing a quick check shows the SEC has 7 ooc losses. The ACC has 10.

Does that include Carolina's loss to Wake Forest?

Didnt check but it probably does.

If the ACC was a big family, Wake would be the son that keeps going to school, but never leaves the house or finds a job.