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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
I'm just looking at game summary videos from Riley/Miller years.

As I have alluded to in the past, one of the MOST important things Miller did was being willing to go over the middle.

People want to talk about "shrinking a field"--well having a guy willing to go over the middle absolutely puts a huge burden on the defense.

If safeties are having to hedge on Miller going over the middle, or linebackers have to behave differently it changes so much.

Also, just looking at how many deep passes were there because Miller was just WIDE open. And then he caught them.
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(09-11-2019 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:35 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 11:23 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  You honestly believe that Riley would be that much more successful without Anthony Miller or Phil Mayhew to throw to?

Since you love pointing out lack of scoring, why couldn't Riley score in the 4th quarter of the Liberty Bowl? Was it because he is a terrible QB or because he didn't have Ant for most of it.

If, as you say, he can complete all those throws that Brady does... why didn't he? Why isn't his completion percentage higher? Why isn't the yards per completion destroying Brady? I mean all opposing defenses have to do is cover 10 yards down the field against Brady, it should be harder for him to complete passes. The opposing defense had to cover 90% of the field against Riley, it should've been a cake walk. His average completion should easily dominate poor lil noodle arm Brady.

Once again, Stammers, you were told point blank that Brady White checked into a majority of those long runs. Why you choose to ignore it now to make your ridiculous points amuses me.

Quote:If, as you say, he can complete all those throws that Brady does... why didn't he? Why isn't his completion percentage higher?

You are honestly stupid.

Quote:Since you love pointing out lack of scoring, why couldn't Riley score in the 4th quarter of the Liberty Bowl? Was it because he is a terrible QB or because he didn't have Ant for most of it.


You are going to pick out one quarter to defend White? Ferguson was without Miller and Henderson btw. Now, not only are you crapping on our offensive line, wide receivers and tight ends, you are now crapping on Ferguson.

His percentage wasn't higher because he never had a game where 9 of his first 10 passes didn't travel past the line of scrimmage. Those 9 passes traveled an aggregate -21 yards from the line of scrimmage, btw. The pass that traveled 30 yards was thrown way late and out of bounds. The original target on that play was 5 yards downfield and wide open, but White was late on that one and had to scramble.

Ferguson never had a game where 2/3 of his passes traveled less than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. If White tried to play like Ferguson it would be a total disaster. His completion percentage would be under 50%.


Quote:Once again, Stammers, you were told point blank that Brady White checked into a majority of those long runs. Why you choose to ignore it now to make your ridiculous points amuses me.

This is the most idiotic of all your points. Not only are you giving credit to White for playing soft toss behind the line of scrimmage, you are now giving him credit for Henderson, Taylor and Pollard going on those crazy runs.

You need help.

My only response is to the bolded and how it almost becomes impossible for this to be the case, without the opposite then being true.

Brady's yd/attempt last year was 8.4. Riley was worse as a Junior at 8.3 and better his 2nd year at 9.0.

So, if Brady is to average 8.4 an attempt based the the bold faced scenarios--here's what has to happen:

We know he has a 63% completion rate--which (at the lowest common comparison) would be going 7 of 11.

So, his 11 attempts (yds/att) will have to get him 92 yards, and he has to do that in 7 completions.

If he literally was making 2, 3, and 4 yard completions he is going to have to get some huge completions to get to that 92 yards.

Let's say in his seven completions, his first four go for 5 yards each. That means he was 20 yards in four completions. He then has to get 72 yards in his last three completions to get to his 8.4 yards per attempt at the 63% completion rate. So that is three passes for 24 yards.

And to the opposite, since Riley essentially performed the same as Brady his Jr. year and Riley was bombing passes downfield--lets say his first three passes went 25, 20, and 19--that means his last four completions will only cover 28 yards--or basically 7 yards per completion.

What it boils down to when comparing Riley and Brady (since their yd/att and completion % are essentially identical) is that every time one says Brady only completes short passes, that means he HAS to complete some bombs to get the yd/att average up.

And everytime someone says Riley was the king of the deep throw, they are completely discounting the idea that every deep throw means he has to complete two or three dinky dunk passes to bring the average back down.

Do you think Norvell drew up more deep throws for Riley or White? Passes over 20 yards. If so, why do you think he did?

Again, it doesn't jive. If Riley is gunning four 20 yard passes, then that means his last three have to TOTAL for 12 yards.

It's just math.

BUT, Riley did have a gorgeous (-2) yard pass that went for 89 yards. Because, you know, Norvell NEVER used those screen passes back then. (first highlight of the game)




Well there you have it. It was just my imagination Riley Ferguson threw it all over the yard. Just my imagination in the comment sections of Anthony Miller and Darrell Henderson (sophmore) highlights people were going gaga over the QB they knew nothing about. It was just my imagination.



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(09-11-2019 12:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  What it boils down to is that both Brady and Riley have seven completions to get to 92 yards.

No matter how you dole them out, they will look pretty similar. Because they just can't be that different.

You are 100% right. I touched on this in a couple of posts and I'm glad that you brought it up. The end result isn't very different. For Ferguson, the end result isn't much different in wins and losses. For White it is massive on every level; often the difference between a win and a loss.

White Totals In Losses (6 games)
93-177
1,137 yards
52.5%
189.5 yards per game
6.4 yards per attempt
5 touchdowns
5 interceptions

White Totals In Wins (8 games)
153-215
2,159 yards
71.1%
269.9 yards per game
10.0 yards per attempt
21 touchdowns
4 interceptions

Ferguson 2016 Totals In Losses (5 games)
128-215
1,728 yards
59.5%
345.4 yards per game
8.0 yards per attempt
12 touchdowns
7 interceptions

Ferguson 2017 Totals In Losses (3 games)
78-124
1,078 yards
62.9%
359.3 yards per game
8.7 yards per attempt
7 touchdowns
4 interceptions

No need to post Ferguson's totals in wins, because except for touchdown to interception ratio (20/3 versus 12/7, and 31/5 versus 7-4), he still threw for a lot of yards, still had more than 2 touchdowns per game and still had a positive touchdown to interception ratio. In Ferguson's 7 losses, he still threw 19 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. White has 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in his 6 losses.

So yes, if you look at stats in a vacuum, White's are close to Ferguson's; but if you look at the games we lost, you can say that except for Ole Piss and UCF in the rain, Ferguson played very well. You can say that White doesn't play well, and you can easily argue that if he puts up close to his average numbers in the losses, we beat Navy, Wake Forest and UCF.

Except for Tigernole and Willis; who are hopeless; this should clear this up for everyone else.
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(09-11-2019 01:03 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:35 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are honestly stupid.



You are going to pick out one quarter to defend White? Ferguson was without Miller and Henderson btw. Now, not only are you crapping on our offensive line, wide receivers and tight ends, you are now crapping on Ferguson.

His percentage wasn't higher because he never had a game where 9 of his first 10 passes didn't travel past the line of scrimmage. Those 9 passes traveled an aggregate -21 yards from the line of scrimmage, btw. The pass that traveled 30 yards was thrown way late and out of bounds. The original target on that play was 5 yards downfield and wide open, but White was late on that one and had to scramble.

Ferguson never had a game where 2/3 of his passes traveled less than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. If White tried to play like Ferguson it would be a total disaster. His completion percentage would be under 50%.



This is the most idiotic of all your points. Not only are you giving credit to White for playing soft toss behind the line of scrimmage, you are now giving him credit for Henderson, Taylor and Pollard going on those crazy runs.

You need help.

My only response is to the bolded and how it almost becomes impossible for this to be the case, without the opposite then being true.

Brady's yd/attempt last year was 8.4. Riley was worse as a Junior at 8.3 and better his 2nd year at 9.0.

So, if Brady is to average 8.4 an attempt based the the bold faced scenarios--here's what has to happen:

We know he has a 63% completion rate--which (at the lowest common comparison) would be going 7 of 11.

So, his 11 attempts (yds/att) will have to get him 92 yards, and he has to do that in 7 completions.

If he literally was making 2, 3, and 4 yard completions he is going to have to get some huge completions to get to that 92 yards.

Let's say in his seven completions, his first four go for 5 yards each. That means he was 20 yards in four completions. He then has to get 72 yards in his last three completions to get to his 8.4 yards per attempt at the 63% completion rate. So that is three passes for 24 yards.

And to the opposite, since Riley essentially performed the same as Brady his Jr. year and Riley was bombing passes downfield--lets say his first three passes went 25, 20, and 19--that means his last four completions will only cover 28 yards--or basically 7 yards per completion.

What it boils down to when comparing Riley and Brady (since their yd/att and completion % are essentially identical) is that every time one says Brady only completes short passes, that means he HAS to complete some bombs to get the yd/att average up.

And everytime someone says Riley was the king of the deep throw, they are completely discounting the idea that every deep throw means he has to complete two or three dinky dunk passes to bring the average back down.

Do you think Norvell drew up more deep throws for Riley or White? Passes over 20 yards. If so, why do you think he did?

Again, it doesn't jive. If Riley is gunning four 20 yard passes, then that means his last three have to TOTAL for 12 yards.

It's just math.

BUT, Riley did have a gorgeous (-2) yard pass that went for 89 yards. Because, you know, Norvell NEVER used those screen passes back then. (first highlight of the game)




Well there you have it. It was just my imagination Riley Ferguson threw it all over the yard. Just my imagination in the comment sections of Anthony Miller and Darrell Henderson (sophmore) highlights people were going gaga over the QB they knew nothing about. It was just my imagination.




Hyperbole much?

Factually, Norvell, even then used the quick outs and wr screens as a good part of his offense.

It hasn't been "dumbed down" because Brady can't throw.

Perhaps fewer longballs because #3 isn't there.
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(09-11-2019 01:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:03 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:35 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  My only response is to the bolded and how it almost becomes impossible for this to be the case, without the opposite then being true.

Brady's yd/attempt last year was 8.4. Riley was worse as a Junior at 8.3 and better his 2nd year at 9.0.

So, if Brady is to average 8.4 an attempt based the the bold faced scenarios--here's what has to happen:

We know he has a 63% completion rate--which (at the lowest common comparison) would be going 7 of 11.

So, his 11 attempts (yds/att) will have to get him 92 yards, and he has to do that in 7 completions.

If he literally was making 2, 3, and 4 yard completions he is going to have to get some huge completions to get to that 92 yards.

Let's say in his seven completions, his first four go for 5 yards each. That means he was 20 yards in four completions. He then has to get 72 yards in his last three completions to get to his 8.4 yards per attempt at the 63% completion rate. So that is three passes for 24 yards.

And to the opposite, since Riley essentially performed the same as Brady his Jr. year and Riley was bombing passes downfield--lets say his first three passes went 25, 20, and 19--that means his last four completions will only cover 28 yards--or basically 7 yards per completion.

What it boils down to when comparing Riley and Brady (since their yd/att and completion % are essentially identical) is that every time one says Brady only completes short passes, that means he HAS to complete some bombs to get the yd/att average up.

And everytime someone says Riley was the king of the deep throw, they are completely discounting the idea that every deep throw means he has to complete two or three dinky dunk passes to bring the average back down.

Do you think Norvell drew up more deep throws for Riley or White? Passes over 20 yards. If so, why do you think he did?

Again, it doesn't jive. If Riley is gunning four 20 yard passes, then that means his last three have to TOTAL for 12 yards.

It's just math.

BUT, Riley did have a gorgeous (-2) yard pass that went for 89 yards. Because, you know, Norvell NEVER used those screen passes back then. (first highlight of the game)




Well there you have it. It was just my imagination Riley Ferguson threw it all over the yard. Just my imagination in the comment sections of Anthony Miller and Darrell Henderson (sophmore) highlights people were going gaga over the QB they knew nothing about. It was just my imagination.




Hyperbole much?

Factually, Norvell, even then used the quick outs and wr screens as a good part of his offense.

It hasn't been "dumbed down" because Brady can't throw.

Perhaps fewer longballs because #3 isn't there.

Another central point to breaking down each throw. Never mind long balls, a fraction of balls thrown between 10-20 yards. White had receivers open downfield many times, and almost always either missed them or wasn't able to hit them in stride. White defenders are now taking it for granted that any pass of more than 11 yards is a long ball.

This doesn't even take into account when slow as molasses White is rushed or sacked when any other quarterback would be able to avoid the rush and make throws, run for yardage, or not get knocked down by a gust of wind.

The difference between Ferguson and White is 3-4 wins per year.
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(09-11-2019 01:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:03 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:35 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  My only response is to the bolded and how it almost becomes impossible for this to be the case, without the opposite then being true.

Brady's yd/attempt last year was 8.4. Riley was worse as a Junior at 8.3 and better his 2nd year at 9.0.

So, if Brady is to average 8.4 an attempt based the the bold faced scenarios--here's what has to happen:

We know he has a 63% completion rate--which (at the lowest common comparison) would be going 7 of 11.

So, his 11 attempts (yds/att) will have to get him 92 yards, and he has to do that in 7 completions.

If he literally was making 2, 3, and 4 yard completions he is going to have to get some huge completions to get to that 92 yards.

Let's say in his seven completions, his first four go for 5 yards each. That means he was 20 yards in four completions. He then has to get 72 yards in his last three completions to get to his 8.4 yards per attempt at the 63% completion rate. So that is three passes for 24 yards.

And to the opposite, since Riley essentially performed the same as Brady his Jr. year and Riley was bombing passes downfield--lets say his first three passes went 25, 20, and 19--that means his last four completions will only cover 28 yards--or basically 7 yards per completion.

What it boils down to when comparing Riley and Brady (since their yd/att and completion % are essentially identical) is that every time one says Brady only completes short passes, that means he HAS to complete some bombs to get the yd/att average up.

And everytime someone says Riley was the king of the deep throw, they are completely discounting the idea that every deep throw means he has to complete two or three dinky dunk passes to bring the average back down.

Do you think Norvell drew up more deep throws for Riley or White? Passes over 20 yards. If so, why do you think he did?

Again, it doesn't jive. If Riley is gunning four 20 yard passes, then that means his last three have to TOTAL for 12 yards.

It's just math.

BUT, Riley did have a gorgeous (-2) yard pass that went for 89 yards. Because, you know, Norvell NEVER used those screen passes back then. (first highlight of the game)




Well there you have it. It was just my imagination Riley Ferguson threw it all over the yard. Just my imagination in the comment sections of Anthony Miller and Darrell Henderson (sophmore) highlights people were going gaga over the QB they knew nothing about. It was just my imagination.




Hyperbole much?

Factually, Norvell, even then used the quick outs and wr screens as a good part of his offense.

It hasn't been "dumbed down" because Brady can't throw.

Perhaps fewer longballs because #3 isn't there.

There is no doubt it is definitely a combination. White is not good as Ferguson and we have no receiver on our roster as good as Miller. Of course, both of them were exceptional talents so it really should not be expected to have replicas of them every season...
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2016: Riley: 71 rushes for (-70) yards.
2018: Brady: 53 rushes for (-43) yards.

Neither is winning the Doak Walker.

What was (again) good for Riley and hopeful for Brady is that in 2017 Riley rushed 54 times for +22 yards.
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(09-11-2019 01:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Another central point to breaking down each throw. Never mind long balls, a fraction of balls thrown between 10-20 yards. White had receivers open downfield many times, and almost always either missed them or wasn't able to hit them in stride. White defenders are now taking it for granted that any pass of more than 11 yards is a long ball.

This doesn't even take into account when slow as molasses White is rushed or sacked when any other quarterback would be able to avoid the rush and make throws, run for yardage, or not get knocked down by a gust of wind.

The difference between Ferguson and White is 3-4 wins per year.

So if 2018 Riley had been QB for the 2016 team, Memphis would have gone 4-8 or 5-7?

Interesting.
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(09-11-2019 01:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:03 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:35 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  My only response is to the bolded and how it almost becomes impossible for this to be the case, without the opposite then being true.

Brady's yd/attempt last year was 8.4. Riley was worse as a Junior at 8.3 and better his 2nd year at 9.0.

So, if Brady is to average 8.4 an attempt based the the bold faced scenarios--here's what has to happen:

We know he has a 63% completion rate--which (at the lowest common comparison) would be going 7 of 11.

So, his 11 attempts (yds/att) will have to get him 92 yards, and he has to do that in 7 completions.

If he literally was making 2, 3, and 4 yard completions he is going to have to get some huge completions to get to that 92 yards.

Let's say in his seven completions, his first four go for 5 yards each. That means he was 20 yards in four completions. He then has to get 72 yards in his last three completions to get to his 8.4 yards per attempt at the 63% completion rate. So that is three passes for 24 yards.

And to the opposite, since Riley essentially performed the same as Brady his Jr. year and Riley was bombing passes downfield--lets say his first three passes went 25, 20, and 19--that means his last four completions will only cover 28 yards--or basically 7 yards per completion.

What it boils down to when comparing Riley and Brady (since their yd/att and completion % are essentially identical) is that every time one says Brady only completes short passes, that means he HAS to complete some bombs to get the yd/att average up.

And everytime someone says Riley was the king of the deep throw, they are completely discounting the idea that every deep throw means he has to complete two or three dinky dunk passes to bring the average back down.

Do you think Norvell drew up more deep throws for Riley or White? Passes over 20 yards. If so, why do you think he did?

Again, it doesn't jive. If Riley is gunning four 20 yard passes, then that means his last three have to TOTAL for 12 yards.

It's just math.

BUT, Riley did have a gorgeous (-2) yard pass that went for 89 yards. Because, you know, Norvell NEVER used those screen passes back then. (first highlight of the game)




Well there you have it. It was just my imagination Riley Ferguson threw it all over the yard. Just my imagination in the comment sections of Anthony Miller and Darrell Henderson (sophmore) highlights people were going gaga over the QB they knew nothing about. It was just my imagination.




Hyperbole much?

Factually, Norvell, even then used the quick outs and wr screens as a good part of his offense.

It hasn't been "dumbed down" because Brady can't throw.

Perhaps fewer longballs because #3 isn't there.

#3 wasn't the number one receiver when Lynch was there. Mose Frazier was. Not exactly a speed merchant. Paxton threw it all over the yard too.

Brady White does not have good deep pass accuracy. He just doesn't. This whole idea that he's even a good manager of the game is even questionable to me. If he was, then how do you explain him not being able to get his offense to score points in the second half of big games that he had big leads in at half-time. Good game managers answer after their opponents score. White didn't.

Since I'm a touchy feely guy who likes the eye test more than stats, I thought I'd do a little stat checking of my own.

In six losses last year his Adjusted Quarterback Rating was a whopping 41.3 avg. Of those six losses he had the lead in five of those games. Some game manager. I guess if you say it enough times it becomes fact.

Brady White is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, ............
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(09-11-2019 01:47 PM)SeƱorTiger Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:03 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:35 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Do you think Norvell drew up more deep throws for Riley or White? Passes over 20 yards. If so, why do you think he did?

Again, it doesn't jive. If Riley is gunning four 20 yard passes, then that means his last three have to TOTAL for 12 yards.

It's just math.

BUT, Riley did have a gorgeous (-2) yard pass that went for 89 yards. Because, you know, Norvell NEVER used those screen passes back then. (first highlight of the game)




Well there you have it. It was just my imagination Riley Ferguson threw it all over the yard. Just my imagination in the comment sections of Anthony Miller and Darrell Henderson (sophmore) highlights people were going gaga over the QB they knew nothing about. It was just my imagination.




Hyperbole much?

Factually, Norvell, even then used the quick outs and wr screens as a good part of his offense.

It hasn't been "dumbed down" because Brady can't throw.

Perhaps fewer longballs because #3 isn't there.

There is no doubt it is definitely a combination. White is not good as Ferguson and we have no receiver on our roster as good as Miller. Of course, both of them were exceptional talents so it really should not be expected to have replicas of them every season...

That is true, but I would also counter with the fact that we ran for 3,919 yards in White's 14 games, and 4,633 yards in Ferguson's 26 games. Can you imagine if defenders would have had to put 1 or 2 more players in the box against Ferguson or if they didn't have to put so many in the box against White?

In an apples to apples comparison, White would not have come close to putting up the same number of points as Ferguson, and Ferguson would have put up bigger numbers than White. The difference is exponential.
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(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  #3 wasn't the number one receiver when Lynch was there. Mose Frazier was. Not exactly a speed merchant. Paxton threw it all over the yard too.

Talking about QB's under Norvell


(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Brady White does not have good deep pass accuracy. He just doesn't. This whole idea that he's even a good manager of the game is even questionable to me. If he was, then how do you explain him not being able to get his offense to score points in the second half of big games that he had big leads in at half-time. Good game managers answer after their opponents score. White didn't.

Since I'm a touchy feely guy who likes the eye test more than stats, I thought I'd do a little stat checking of my own.

In six losses last year his Adjusted Quarterback Rating was a whopping 41.3 avg. Of those six losses he had the lead in five of those games. Some game manager. I guess if you say it enough times it becomes fact.

Brady White is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, ............

Eye test is you had NFL level receiver who could go anywhere on the field to catch a ball.

That helps.

Like it said about going over the middle, it just opens stuff up.

If given the choice to keep Brady 2019 here or go Bill and Ted and bring 2017 Riley here, I would take Riley.

I just don't buy into the Brady is trash/Brady isn't good/any loss will be because of Brady/etc...

We haven't trashed Coxie because he isn't Miller, haven't trashed Taylor because he isn't DH. We also aren't saying Memphis won't win the AAC because those guys couldn't live up to their predecessors.

But we do for Brady.

And David Moore (thankfully) isn't walking through that door.
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(09-11-2019 01:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Another central point to breaking down each throw. Never mind long balls, a fraction of balls thrown between 10-20 yards. White had receivers open downfield many times, and almost always either missed them or wasn't able to hit them in stride. White defenders are now taking it for granted that any pass of more than 11 yards is a long ball.

This doesn't even take into account when slow as molasses White is rushed or sacked when any other quarterback would be able to avoid the rush and make throws, run for yardage, or not get knocked down by a gust of wind.

The difference between Ferguson and White is 3-4 wins per year.

So if 2018 Riley had been QB for the 2016 team, Memphis would have gone 4-8 or 5-7?

Interesting.

Good point. If White was the quarterback, we probably would have only had additional losses to Temple and Houston; so 6-7.
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  That is true, but I would also counter with the fact that we ran for 3,919 yards in White's 14 games, and 4,633 yards in Ferguson's 26 games. Can you imagine if defenders would have had to put 1 or 2 more players in the box against Ferguson or if they didn't have to put so many in the box against White?

In an apples to apples comparison, White would not have come close to putting up the same number of points as Ferguson, and Ferguson would have put up bigger numbers than White. The difference is exponential.

Both 1st years for Riley and Brady
2016: Memphis 38.8 ppg
2018: Memphis 42.9 ppg
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Another central point to breaking down each throw. Never mind long balls, a fraction of balls thrown between 10-20 yards. White had receivers open downfield many times, and almost always either missed them or wasn't able to hit them in stride. White defenders are now taking it for granted that any pass of more than 11 yards is a long ball.

This doesn't even take into account when slow as molasses White is rushed or sacked when any other quarterback would be able to avoid the rush and make throws, run for yardage, or not get knocked down by a gust of wind.

The difference between Ferguson and White is 3-4 wins per year.

So if 2018 Riley had been QB for the 2016 team, Memphis would have gone 4-8 or 5-7?

Interesting.

Good point. If White was the quarterback, we probably would have only had additional losses to Temple and Houston; so 6-7.

You realize the Temple game Riley was a non-factor?

Memphis scored on a pick 6 and also Pollard ran back a KO for a TD.
The other two scores were a fantastic handoff from Riley to Dorceus which allowed him to run 71 yards fora TD and Henderson had a 28 yard run.
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  #3 wasn't the number one receiver when Lynch was there. Mose Frazier was. Not exactly a speed merchant. Paxton threw it all over the yard too.

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(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Brady White does not have good deep pass accuracy. He just doesn't. This whole idea that he's even a good manager of the game is even questionable to me. If he was, then how do you explain him not being able to get his offense to score points in the second half of big games that he had big leads in at half-time. Good game managers answer after their opponents score. White didn't.

Since I'm a touchy feely guy who likes the eye test more than stats, I thought I'd do a little stat checking of my own.

In six losses last year his Adjusted Quarterback Rating was a whopping 41.3 avg. Of those six losses he had the lead in five of those games. Some game manager. I guess if you say it enough times it becomes fact.

Brady White is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, ............

Eye test is you had NFL level receiver who could go anywhere on the field to catch a ball.

That helps.

Like it said about going over the middle, it just opens stuff up.

If given the choice to keep Brady 2019 here or go Bill and Ted and bring 2017 Riley here, I would take Riley.

I just don't buy into the Brady is trash/Brady isn't good/any loss will be because of Brady/etc...

We haven't trashed Coxie because he isn't Miller, haven't trashed Taylor because he isn't DH. We also aren't saying Memphis won't win the AAC because those guys couldn't live up to their predecessors.

But we do for Brady.

And David Moore (thankfully) isn't walking through that door.

What we do know is that historically; all of our good receivers improved with Lynch and Ferguson, and only Coxie has with White. Pollard, Magnifico, Dykes and Pop haven't. We also know that in the first game all of them plus Jones were open on longer routes, but White couldn't hit them. Again, when I say longer routes, nothing more than 30 yards in the air and none of those throws were very good. White has conditioned the fans into thinking that anything more than 10 yards is a long route.

Quote:We also aren't saying Memphis won't win the AAC because those guys couldn't live up to their predecessors.

Tigernole is. Miller would have been wasted with White. He sure wasn't going to be grabbing much of anything more than 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. Mayhue ran a 4.7 and Frazier ran a 4.6. Pollard runs a 4.52 and even he supposedly couldn't get open.

So in the end, Lynch and Ferguson make the receivers look good and White makes the receivers look bad.
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Another central point to breaking down each throw. Never mind long balls, a fraction of balls thrown between 10-20 yards. White had receivers open downfield many times, and almost always either missed them or wasn't able to hit them in stride. White defenders are now taking it for granted that any pass of more than 11 yards is a long ball.

This doesn't even take into account when slow as molasses White is rushed or sacked when any other quarterback would be able to avoid the rush and make throws, run for yardage, or not get knocked down by a gust of wind.

The difference between Ferguson and White is 3-4 wins per year.

So if 2018 Riley had been QB for the 2016 team, Memphis would have gone 4-8 or 5-7?

Interesting.

Good point. If White was the quarterback, we probably would have only had additional losses to Temple and Houston; so 6-7.

You realize the Temple game Riley was a non-factor?

Memphis scored on a pick 6 and also Pollard ran back a KO for a TD.
The other two scores were a fantastic handoff from Riley to Dorceus which allowed him to run 71 yards fora TD and Henderson had a 28 yard run.

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Who dropped a WIDE OPEN 30+ yard pass for White? THEN another guy dropped a bomb from Adair.
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  #3 wasn't the number one receiver when Lynch was there. Mose Frazier was. Not exactly a speed merchant. Paxton threw it all over the yard too.

Talking about QB's under Norvell


(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Brady White does not have good deep pass accuracy. He just doesn't. This whole idea that he's even a good manager of the game is even questionable to me. If he was, then how do you explain him not being able to get his offense to score points in the second half of big games that he had big leads in at half-time. Good game managers answer after their opponents score. White didn't.

Since I'm a touchy feely guy who likes the eye test more than stats, I thought I'd do a little stat checking of my own.

In six losses last year his Adjusted Quarterback Rating was a whopping 41.3 avg. Of those six losses he had the lead in five of those games. Some game manager. I guess if you say it enough times it becomes fact.

Brady White is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, ............

Eye test is you had NFL level receiver who could go anywhere on the field to catch a ball.

That helps.

Like it said about going over the middle, it just opens stuff up.

If given the choice to keep Brady 2019 here or go Bill and Ted and bring 2017 Riley here, I would take Riley.

I just don't buy into the Brady is trash/Brady isn't good/any loss will be because of Brady/etc...

We haven't trashed Coxie because he isn't Miller, haven't trashed Taylor because he isn't DH. We also aren't saying Memphis won't win the AAC because those guys couldn't live up to their predecessors.

But we do for Brady.

And David Moore (thankfully) isn't walking through that door.

I agree Miller was a big weapon, but could you imagine if White didn't have Henderson last year. I don't know what our record would have been.
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:18 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  #3 wasn't the number one receiver when Lynch was there. Mose Frazier was. Not exactly a speed merchant. Paxton threw it all over the yard too.

Talking about QB's under Norvell


(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Brady White does not have good deep pass accuracy. He just doesn't. This whole idea that he's even a good manager of the game is even questionable to me. If he was, then how do you explain him not being able to get his offense to score points in the second half of big games that he had big leads in at half-time. Good game managers answer after their opponents score. White didn't.

Since I'm a touchy feely guy who likes the eye test more than stats, I thought I'd do a little stat checking of my own.

In six losses last year his Adjusted Quarterback Rating was a whopping 41.3 avg. Of those six losses he had the lead in five of those games. Some game manager. I guess if you say it enough times it becomes fact.

Brady White is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, ............

Eye test is you had NFL level receiver who could go anywhere on the field to catch a ball.

That helps.

Like it said about going over the middle, it just opens stuff up.

If given the choice to keep Brady 2019 here or go Bill and Ted and bring 2017 Riley here, I would take Riley.

I just don't buy into the Brady is trash/Brady isn't good/any loss will be because of Brady/etc...

We haven't trashed Coxie because he isn't Miller, haven't trashed Taylor because he isn't DH. We also aren't saying Memphis won't win the AAC because those guys couldn't live up to their predecessors.

But we do for Brady.

And David Moore (thankfully) isn't walking through that door.

I agree Miller was a big weapon, but could you imagine if White didn't have Henderson last year. I don't know what our record would have been.

Honestly, the record is no different.

Maybe better--and hold on because I know that sounds silly.

Memphis lost six games--two of which (Wake and Mizzou) Henderson already didn't play.

Memphis also lost twice to UCF and Navy--(three of Henderson's best four games last year) so it, end result, didn't matter.

The only other game Memphis lost was to Tulane. Granted, Henderson was the only good player, but if he doesn't play, maybe the team doesn't sleepwalk though it in the beginning.

Every other game was a game Memphis was winning with out without Henderson.
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RE: Brady White's passing efficiency rating
(09-11-2019 02:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:18 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  #3 wasn't the number one receiver when Lynch was there. Mose Frazier was. Not exactly a speed merchant. Paxton threw it all over the yard too.

Talking about QB's under Norvell


(09-11-2019 01:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Brady White does not have good deep pass accuracy. He just doesn't. This whole idea that he's even a good manager of the game is even questionable to me. If he was, then how do you explain him not being able to get his offense to score points in the second half of big games that he had big leads in at half-time. Good game managers answer after their opponents score. White didn't.

Since I'm a touchy feely guy who likes the eye test more than stats, I thought I'd do a little stat checking of my own.

In six losses last year his Adjusted Quarterback Rating was a whopping 41.3 avg. Of those six losses he had the lead in five of those games. Some game manager. I guess if you say it enough times it becomes fact.

Brady White is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, Brady is a good game manager, ............

Eye test is you had NFL level receiver who could go anywhere on the field to catch a ball.

That helps.

Like it said about going over the middle, it just opens stuff up.

If given the choice to keep Brady 2019 here or go Bill and Ted and bring 2017 Riley here, I would take Riley.

I just don't buy into the Brady is trash/Brady isn't good/any loss will be because of Brady/etc...

We haven't trashed Coxie because he isn't Miller, haven't trashed Taylor because he isn't DH. We also aren't saying Memphis won't win the AAC because those guys couldn't live up to their predecessors.

But we do for Brady.

And David Moore (thankfully) isn't walking through that door.

I agree Miller was a big weapon, but could you imagine if White didn't have Henderson last year. I don't know what our record would have been.

Honestly, the record is no different.

Maybe better--and hold on because I know that sounds silly.

Memphis lost six games--two of which (Wake and Mizzou) Henderson already didn't play.

Memphis also lost twice to UCF and Navy--(three of Henderson's best four games last year) so it, end result, didn't matter.

The only other game Memphis lost was to Tulane. Granted, Henderson was the only good player, but if he doesn't play, maybe the team doesn't sleepwalk though it in the beginning.

Every other game was a game Memphis was winning with out without Henderson.

With the exception of Navy, I'll agree. Most people I talked to couldn't believe Henderson didn't get the ball toward the end of the game. Especially Navy fans on the AAC board. Norvell brain-farted with the play calling, and Brady made some poor decisions on that final drive. It was raining but....
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