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(09-08-2019 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  West’s unprofessional speech, while embarrassing and dramatic, was not the primary catalyst bringing more commitment and success. The main drivers were the realization football drives the bus, a new AD, hiring the right coaches (Justin Fuente and Norvell) and a President understanding the importance of athletics.

Overall, I agree with you.
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Forgot Tennessee Tech.

And I played for the coach who Smith wanted hired. He would have made an excellent HC.
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(09-08-2019 08:48 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Tommy West was a very solid head coach and is a very respectable assistant coach now at Middle Tennessee. The fiery speech he gave ... beautiful. We Tiger fans owe him for that. It helped in some manner, no doubt.

I tend to agree. When you have a speech that talked about and one that nobody could deny was true I have to believe that it did have some impact. I'm glad he did it.
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(09-10-2019 09:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:48 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Tommy West was a very solid head coach and is a very respectable assistant coach now at Middle Tennessee. The fiery speech he gave ... beautiful. We Tiger fans owe him for that. It helped in some manner, no doubt.

I tend to agree. When you have a speech that talked about and one that nobody could deny was true I have to believe that it did have some impact. I'm glad he did it.

The only peeps who reacted that way were those who didn't know we had already started the process. It had no effect. The shift in philosophy actually was a bone of contention with Calipari before he left, behind the scenes.

Plus, given the fact that Tommy stopped coaching and recruiting several years earlier, after he had his heart attack, sort of made that a hypocritical rant.
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(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

I totally disagree. Tommy West BLASTED the admin to their faces, and there was no turning back from that point on. Need I remind you, RC Johnson was still the AD at that time (for another 3 years), and Shirley Raines was plenty happy with his pitiful results. Hell, they spent $30,000 on a freaking OCS study that was pronounced DOA the moment it hit the athletic department's PO Box.

Oh, how soon we forget.
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(09-09-2019 06:55 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  
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(09-08-2019 11:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

Correct.

The moves were being made behind the scenes, but even after firing West, we still had the idiocy to name Larry Porter HC.

That was RC Johnson's fault. Fred Smith was ready to hire the Redskins asst coach, and RC hired Larry without consulting Fred, even though he had asked Fred to assist him in the search.

RC became persona non grata with Fred from that point on.


Interesting

His son had a damn good day yesterday as the Titans OC.

Taylor Lewan has a hilarious podcast called Bussin With the Boys. One episode is Arthur Smith. Really good and he talks about his dad a lot.


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I don't remember Fred Smith's son Cannon Smith having one single good day with the Memphis Tigers. I don't remember one single good day of Tiger Football during the Larry Porter Era.

Rich kids get opportunities others more deserving don't.

That said, I sure wish the Big XII bought Fred Smith's offer to sponsor the BigXII Championship Game via FedEx.

That is a disgusting take on Cannon Smith. That guy's heart and soul was with the team. He sacrificed a lot to play for that team. He did whatever he was asked to do. Not good enough to play QB? Put me on Defense, coach...
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Should be more spacing between Memphis and mtsu.
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(09-11-2019 12:18 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 06:55 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 06:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 11:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 10:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Correct.

The moves were being made behind the scenes, but even after firing West, we still had the idiocy to name Larry Porter HC.

That was RC Johnson's fault. Fred Smith was ready to hire the Redskins asst coach, and RC hired Larry without consulting Fred, even though he had asked Fred to assist him in the search.

RC became persona non grata with Fred from that point on.


Interesting

His son had a damn good day yesterday as the Titans OC.

Taylor Lewan has a hilarious podcast called Bussin With the Boys. One episode is Arthur Smith. Really good and he talks about his dad a lot.


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I don't remember Fred Smith's son Cannon Smith having one single good day with the Memphis Tigers. I don't remember one single good day of Tiger Football during the Larry Porter Era.

Rich kids get opportunities others more deserving don't.

That said, I sure wish the Big XII bought Fred Smith's offer to sponsor the BigXII Championship Game via FedEx.

That is a disgusting take on Cannon Smith. That guy's heart and soul was with the team. He sacrificed a lot to play for that team. He did whatever he was asked to do. Not good enough to play QB? Put me on Defense, coach...

I would sacrifice everything to play on that team... doesn't mean that makes me qualified to guide that team where it needs to go.

You misnterpreted me.

I'm operating on the whole assembly of the P5 mantra here.

The way they rejected Cannon Smith and the way they rejected Fed Ex. Fred Smith. Is disgusting. Fred Smith is behind us to utilize FedEx resources to carry us to the P5. His son Cannon was never one of those resources, though we gave him his shot at glory.
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(09-11-2019 12:07 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

I totally disagree. Tommy West BLASTED the admin to their faces, and there was no turning back from that point on. Need I remind you, RC Johnson was still the AD at that time (for another 3 years), and Shirley Raines was plenty happy with his pitiful results. Hell, they spent $30,000 on a freaking OCS study that was pronounced DOA the moment it hit the athletic department's PO Box.

Oh, how soon we forget.

Yep. They were totally convinced the study would show that building an OCS was not doable and then it blew it up in their face. They never had any intention of even considering an OCS. Pitiful leadership.
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(09-11-2019 12:07 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

I totally disagree. Tommy West BLASTED the admin to their faces, and there was no turning back from that point on. Need I remind you, RC Johnson was still the AD at that time (for another 3 years), and Shirley Raines was plenty happy with his pitiful results. Hell, they spent $30,000 on a freaking OCS study that was pronounced DOA the moment it hit the athletic department's PO Box.

Oh, how soon we forget.

Believe what you want. The big boosters had already decided we were going to turn around football about a year before West was fired. I talked to a couple of them back then. It had to do with chasing a better conference. We had just made our first real behind the scenes effort (pamphlets don't count) at joining the Big East (hiring Tranghese and pitching the Big East), but we were told our football wasn't good enough, even though our basketball was great. That was in late 2008, and THAT is what caused the decision to be made to fix football.

But it doesn't happen overnight, especially with the two idiots we had as AD and president. Raines was a big part of the holdup.

Fred Smith and others finally convinced her to fire RC when salary funds were threatened to be withheld after RC bungled the hiring of Porter.

Bowen was hired with specific instructions to concentrate on fixing football w/o doing harm to basketball. That came from the boosters, not from Raines. The same ones who started talking about fixing football a year before West left.

Then Raines retired, we got Brad Martin in there, and he put Rudd in, and things rolled from there. But I guarantee you the decision to fix football was made by boosters in 2008, after an attempt to join the Big East.

West's rant didn't hurt anything, but it was NOT the impetus to fix football. Btw, I could make the same argument you did, that it took 2+ more years after West's rant before RC was fired, lol.

That's b/c Raines was resistant, and Fred finally had it with RC over the Porter hiring, which eventually led to RC's firing.

Think about it. What you're saying is Fred Smith and other big boosters were too dumb to figure out we needed to fix football until West went on his rant.

No, Fred and others had already bumped heads with Calipari over this same issue, again tied to the aftermath of the Big East effort, well before West was fired. And West being fired was a step in that direction, so the rant could not have been first.
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(09-09-2019 06:55 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 06:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 11:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 10:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

Correct.

The moves were being made behind the scenes, but even after firing West, we still had the idiocy to name Larry Porter HC.

That was RC Johnson's fault. Fred Smith was ready to hire the Redskins asst coach, and RC hired Larry without consulting Fred, even though he had asked Fred to assist him in the search.

RC became persona non grata with Fred from that point on.


Interesting

His son had a damn good day yesterday as the Titans OC.

Taylor Lewan has a hilarious podcast called Bussin With the Boys. One episode is Arthur Smith. Really good and he talks about his dad a lot.


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I don't remember Fred Smith's son Cannon Smith having one single good day with the Memphis Tigers. I don't remember one single good day of Tiger Football during the Larry Porter Era.

Rich kids get opportunities others more deserving don't.

That said, I sure wish the Big XII bought Fred Smith's offer to sponsor the BigXII Championship Game via FedEx.


I agree about the terrible Larry Porter era.

He actually talks about growing up a son of a billionaire.


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(09-11-2019 12:18 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 06:55 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 06:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 11:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 10:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Correct.

The moves were being made behind the scenes, but even after firing West, we still had the idiocy to name Larry Porter HC.

That was RC Johnson's fault. Fred Smith was ready to hire the Redskins asst coach, and RC hired Larry without consulting Fred, even though he had asked Fred to assist him in the search.

RC became persona non grata with Fred from that point on.


Interesting

His son had a damn good day yesterday as the Titans OC.

Taylor Lewan has a hilarious podcast called Bussin With the Boys. One episode is Arthur Smith. Really good and he talks about his dad a lot.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't remember Fred Smith's son Cannon Smith having one single good day with the Memphis Tigers. I don't remember one single good day of Tiger Football during the Larry Porter Era.

Rich kids get opportunities others more deserving don't.

That said, I sure wish the Big XII bought Fred Smith's offer to sponsor the BigXII Championship Game via FedEx.

That is a disgusting take on Cannon Smith. That guy's heart and soul was with the team. He sacrificed a lot to play for that team. He did whatever he was asked to do. Not good enough to play QB? Put me on Defense, coach...


I had forgotten about that.


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(09-11-2019 01:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Should be more spacing between Memphis and mtsu.

Agree, with both points.
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I always thought it would be fun to have gone to Tennessee. Huge stadium, cult-like fanbase, allegedly a good school... but my lord, the football woes. Talk about the epitome of doing absolutely NOTHING, while having access to basically unlimited funds, 4 & 5 star recruits, and the SEC brand.
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(09-11-2019 12:07 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

I totally disagree. Tommy West BLASTED the admin to their faces, and there was no turning back from that point on. Need I remind you, RC Johnson was still the AD at that time (for another 3 years), and Shirley Raines was plenty happy with his pitiful results. Hell, they spent $30,000 on a freaking OCS study that was pronounced DOA the moment it hit the athletic department's PO Box.

Oh, how soon we forget.

Right total jokes. And what was even worse was the Larry Porter hire. I mean talk about not doing your research - he never really coached at LSU. At LSU he would leave the room when coaching was being discussed. Was there just for recruiting. And boy did it show when he got the Memphis job. So the Administration that hired Larry Porter was actually planning a reincarnation of the Memphis football program even two years before West left? so they do this on campus survey and hire Porter. Plans? That group of buffoons? It all makes sense now lol.
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(09-12-2019 11:58 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I always thought it would be fun to have gone to Tennessee. Huge stadium, cult-like fanbase, allegedly a good school... but my lord, the football woes. Talk about the epitome of doing absolutely NOTHING, while having access to basically unlimited funds, 4 & 5 star recruits, and the SEC brand.


I don’t like Tennessee but 90% of the people I knew growing up went there, including my brother. When Neyland is full, the running of the T is pretty cool. Been to the several games Memphis has played there since the mid 90’s. They haven’t played there in years.


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(09-09-2019 06:55 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 06:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 11:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

Correct.

The moves were being made behind the scenes, but even after firing West, we still had the idiocy to name Larry Porter HC.

That was RC Johnson's fault. Fred Smith was ready to hire the Redskins asst coach, and RC hired Larry without consulting Fred, even though he had asked Fred to assist him in the search.

RC became persona non grata with Fred from that point on.


Interesting

His son had a damn good day yesterday as the Titans OC.

Taylor Lewan has a hilarious podcast called Bussin With the Boys. One episode is Arthur Smith. Really good and he talks about his dad a lot.


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I don't remember Fred Smith's son Cannon Smith having one single good day with the Memphis Tigers. I don't remember one single good day of Tiger Football during the Larry Porter Era.

Rich kids get opportunities others more deserving don't.

That said, I sure wish the Big XII bought Fred Smith's offer to sponsor the BigXII Championship Game via FedEx.

Cannon isnt the OC of the Titans. Its his brother Arthur Smith.

Cannon works for H and H Services I think.
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(09-12-2019 12:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
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(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

I totally disagree. Tommy West BLASTED the admin to their faces, and there was no turning back from that point on. Need I remind you, RC Johnson was still the AD at that time (for another 3 years), and Shirley Raines was plenty happy with his pitiful results. Hell, they spent $30,000 on a freaking OCS study that was pronounced DOA the moment it hit the athletic department's PO Box.

Oh, how soon we forget.

Right total jokes. And what was even worse was the Larry Porter hire. I mean talk about not doing your research - he never really coached at LSU. At LSU he would leave the room when coaching was being discussed. Was there just for recruiting. And boy did it show when he got the Memphis job. So the Administration that hired Larry Porter was actually planning a reincarnation of the Memphis football program even two years before West left? so they do this on campus survey and hire Porter. Plans? That group of buffoons? It all makes sense now lol.

NO. The boosters. Not the frigging administration. They had to get rid of the administration. It took a while. Fred was the leader. Other boosters at the time were involved.

And the decision wasn't made two years before West left. It was less than one. The decision to invest in football was made in late 2008, after our first failure to make the Big East, the one where we hired Tranghese (which was Fred's doing, not admin's).

And RC hiring Porter on his own after asking for Fred's help, when Fred was about to recommend the Redskins asst. coach, was what caused a split between Fred and RC that was never resolved.

Man, reading comprehension would be helpful.
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(09-12-2019 02:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 12:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:07 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think the West speech made any difference. The decision had already been made to pour money and support into football about 9 months to a year before West was fired. It was going forward regardless of what West said. In fact, firing West was one of the first steps in turning around our football program.

I totally disagree. Tommy West BLASTED the admin to their faces, and there was no turning back from that point on. Need I remind you, RC Johnson was still the AD at that time (for another 3 years), and Shirley Raines was plenty happy with his pitiful results. Hell, they spent $30,000 on a freaking OCS study that was pronounced DOA the moment it hit the athletic department's PO Box.

Oh, how soon we forget.

Right total jokes. And what was even worse was the Larry Porter hire. I mean talk about not doing your research - he never really coached at LSU. At LSU he would leave the room when coaching was being discussed. Was there just for recruiting. And boy did it show when he got the Memphis job. So the Administration that hired Larry Porter was actually planning a reincarnation of the Memphis football program even two years before West left? so they do this on campus survey and hire Porter. Plans? That group of buffoons? It all makes sense now lol.

NO. The boosters. Not the frigging administration. They had to get rid of the administration. It took a while. Fred was the leader. Other boosters at the time were involved.

And the decision wasn't made two years before West left. It was less than one. The decision to invest in football was made in late 2008, after our first failure to make the Big East, the one where we hired Tranghese (which was Fred's doing, not admin's).

And RC hiring Porter on his own after asking for Fred's help, when Fred was about to recommend the Redskins asst. coach, was what caused a split between Fred and RC that was never resolved.

Man, reading comprehension would be helpful.

It's not reading comprehension. We are talking about two different things, and what YOU are talking about is a bit of the tail wagging the dog. Hell, I am a booster, and I decided to turn Football around back in 2003. We all KNEW we needed to "turn football around." A LONG TIME AGO. You can cite boosters' actions and opinions and timing all you want, But TOMMY'S PRESS CONFERENCE PUT PRESSURE ON THE ADMINISTRATION. PERIOD.

The simple fact is, until Tommy put that out their in the media, the admin could have backed out of any commitment at any time, just like they had so many times in the past. Yeah, I'm thinking of backhoes parked in the south campus parking lot during recruiting visits, etc.

If you're a Tommy hater, just admit it and move along.
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Proving once again why the Middle Tennessee vs. Memphis FB series should be restarted.
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