1) I love Joey Magnifico! I have personally enjoyed watching him deliver some plays that kept drives alive, put points on the board, and won games. I look forward to using him more against more talented teams. I'm not really that worried about CMN opening the playbook against bottom-feeder SEC, SWAC or Sunbelt teams. As a matter of fact, I think not having to dip that deep in the playbook says something about the toughness of this offense. Bend but don't break - and there ain't no "quit" in 'em. And there were several plays where Magnifico shined in the last game.

Are you Joey Magnifico's stalker? You are up on his knob like an Amsterdam callgirl in a 6-speed Porsche.

What section do you sit in - there's a dude near me that seriously needs psychiatric help. Just like you, he hangs onto Magnifico's jockstrap. Take a deep breath, hold it for 10 seconds, then exhale slowly. It's going to be ok. Brady White is not perfect. We haven't played competition of any note this year. The offense looked a little plastic last week - is that ole mrs hangover, or SU's Dline, or combination of both? It is possible that both quarterbacks are good. One does not have to be "trash" for the other to be good.

(09-09-2019 01:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:23 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Again, OM will likely be the best line we see. (They run a 3-4).

Their front seven:
6'4 325
6'1 329
6'6 270
6'3 252
6'2 244
6'0 235
6'3 251

UH:
6'6 288
6'2 285
6'3 295
6'2 245
6'2 220
6'2 255
6'1 210

UC: (3-4)
6'5 258
6'3 275
6'1 290
6'4 248
5'11 220
6'3 238
6'3 235


Numbers aren't everything, but OM had a much bigger line than Memphis will see again.

I don't doubt that they are bigger than any other line we will face, but the bottom line, and one of the main reasons for breaking down every throw, was to show that White just can't hit receivers more than 10 yards downfield with any consistency, and Norvell doesn't trust him to even try.

I'm not sold on Ole Piss being any good in any way. They will probably win 3 games all season. Also, we still managed to run for 200 yards against them at 4.8 yards per carry with a long of over 15 yards. It makes no sense to say that our offensive line run blocks great, but can't pass block to save its life, all of a sudden when White shows up.

The only difference between the Ole Piss game this year and the game last year is that we would have scored twice as many points on 2 play 75 yard drives with Henderson scoring on a 72 yard touchdown.

I was just noting my belief (regardless of the other debates) the OM will be the best front 7 Memphis plays all year.

I also think that this OM team will end up being a five win team. I am glad we played them right out of the gate, I think the majority new offense (including coordinator) will gel as the season goes on. And their defense looks good.

One other note about being good run blocking vs. pass blocking--that is a real thing. They two completely different talents.

Granted, it's a reddit thread, but there are some good discussions about the difference between run and pass blocking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/27..._not_pass/

It could be that the OC and line coaches think the o-line needs focus and scheming more for the run and that the pass blocking will be more of "hope it's good enough" since the offense is predicated on a lot of quick passes.

is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

(09-09-2019 04:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:23 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Again, OM will likely be the best line we see. (They run a 3-4).

Their front seven:
6'4 325
6'1 329
6'6 270
6'3 252
6'2 244
6'0 235
6'3 251

UH:
6'6 288
6'2 285
6'3 295
6'2 245
6'2 220
6'2 255
6'1 210

UC: (3-4)
6'5 258
6'3 275
6'1 290
6'4 248
5'11 220
6'3 238
6'3 235


Numbers aren't everything, but OM had a much bigger line than Memphis will see again.

I don't doubt that they are bigger than any other line we will face, but the bottom line, and one of the main reasons for breaking down every throw, was to show that White just can't hit receivers more than 10 yards downfield with any consistency, and Norvell doesn't trust him to even try.

I'm not sold on Ole Piss being any good in any way. They will probably win 3 games all season. Also, we still managed to run for 200 yards against them at 4.8 yards per carry with a long of over 15 yards. It makes no sense to say that our offensive line run blocks great, but can't pass block to save its life, all of a sudden when White shows up.

The only difference between the Ole Piss game this year and the game last year is that we would have scored twice as many points on 2 play 75 yard drives with Henderson scoring on a 72 yard touchdown.

I was just noting my belief (regardless of the other debates) the OM will be the best front 7 Memphis plays all year.

I also think that this OM team will end up being a five win team. I am glad we played them right out of the gate, I think the majority new offense (including coordinator) will gel as the season goes on. And their defense looks good.

One other note about being good run blocking vs. pass blocking--that is a real thing. They two completely different talents.

Granted, it's a reddit thread, but there are some good discussions about the difference between run and pass blocking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/27..._not_pass/

It could be that the OC and line coaches think the o-line needs focus and scheming more for the run and that the pass blocking will be more of "hope it's good enough" since the offense is predicated on a lot of quick passes.

And that may very well be, but like every year, even the non starters got a lot of playing time the year before, and there has never been a scenario where the offensive line is the best in D1 at run blocking and the worst at pass blocking.

What I do know is that when Ferguson and Lynch were our quarterbacks, our opponents had to defend a 50X50W field. Our opponents now really only have to defend a 15X30W field. That for sure is a big part of it.



It is a lot to ask of any receiver, tight end or running back to get open when space is so tightly contested.

(09-09-2019 01:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:56 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  As evidenced by the game yesterday. More deep throws, more accuracy from our QB and a wide open game plan because our WRs were open and our line held blocks.

As I, and others have tried to bring to your attention 100 times, the issue isn't with games against bad competition. White is a superstar in games against bad teams. The issue is how bad he is against good teams.

You are still too thick to get it.

Maybe this will help. Last night I scored 27 points with 4 three pointers in my local church league. Does anyone here think Penny should give me a call? No... why? 27 points is 27 points, right? If I can knock down 4 of 6 in the church league then I should be able to do that against anyone, right? Competition level does not change my shooting stroke, right?

(09-08-2019 06:57 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Here’s what’s true:

Some teams, notably Ole Miss this year, and UCF and Wake Forest at the end of last year, stacked the box and dared us to beat them over the top and we couldn’t do it.

Actually they were in press coverage alot. Which makes the throws much more difficult. Harder for the receivers to get separation at the line.

I think we saw against Southern it's self-evident Brady can accurately throw the ball downfield out of the pocket under pressure. Magnifico is no Anthony Miller, but it seems he's the best option.

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

(09-10-2019 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

i not only think they will be the most talented individually, i think that D line as a whole will be by far superior to any line that memphis faces. Benito Jones is a NFL D Lineman.

(09-10-2019 11:05 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

i not only think they will be the most talented individually, i think that D line as a whole will be by far superior to any line that memphis faces. Benito Jones is a NFL D Lineman.

Yeah.

It's silly to argue otherwise.

We just saw Cinci give up 42 to tOSU and Houston let OU roll up almost 700 yards total offense at an average of 11 yards per play.

USF was absolutely dominated by Wisky.

We'll see how Temple fares this week vs. Maryland.

They go:
6'4 235
6'6 285
6'3 295
6'4 230
6'1 229
6'1 226
6'2 204

One 4*, two 2* and the rest 3*.

(09-09-2019 06:41 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:56 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  As evidenced by the game yesterday. More deep throws, more accuracy from our QB and a wide open game plan because our WRs were open and our line held blocks.

As I, and others have tried to bring to your attention 100 times, the issue isn't with games against bad competition. White is a superstar in games against bad teams. The issue is how bad he is against good teams.

You are still too thick to get it.

Maybe this will help. Last night I scored 27 points with 4 three pointers in my local church league. Does anyone here think Penny should give me a call?

If coach P has a burning need to add someone who doesnt know how to evaluate QB's to the basketball squad, then sure, and I'll even write you a recommendation.

So now you dont like Brady because he cant bust a trey for team penny?

Some of you guys have proven you dont even know where the "box" is on a football field. You really do need to stop digging. Threads like these dont end well. Granted, they will provide timeless humor for some of us.

(09-10-2019 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:05 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

i not only think they will be the most talented individually, i think that D line as a whole will be by far superior to any line that memphis faces. Benito Jones is a NFL D Lineman.

Yeah.

It's silly to argue otherwise.

We just saw Cinci give up 42 to tOSU and Houston let OU roll up almost 700 yards total offense at an average of 11 yards per play.

USF was absolutely dominated by Wisky.

We'll see how Temple fares this week vs. Maryland.

They go:
6'4 235
6'6 285
6'3 295
6'4 230
6'1 229
6'1 226
6'2 204

One 4*, two 2* and the rest 3*.

That is their DLine...That seems tiny.

Lol...If I could still run 4.5ish I could in up on their Dline now.

(09-10-2019 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

Actually Houston's DL has been pretty average outside of one player, which is how we rolled them last season.
Tulane is in the argument for best DLine, but their LBs and DBs aren't anywhere close to as talented.
Haven't had a chance to watch Temple, but their defense has always been very salty.

But to say ole miss won't be in the top 3 that we face is pretty funny.

(09-10-2019 01:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:05 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

i not only think they will be the most talented individually, i think that D line as a whole will be by far superior to any line that memphis faces. Benito Jones is a NFL D Lineman.

Yeah.

It's silly to argue otherwise.

We just saw Cinci give up 42 to tOSU and Houston let OU roll up almost 700 yards total offense at an average of 11 yards per play.

USF was absolutely dominated by Wisky.

We'll see how Temple fares this week vs. Maryland.

They go:
6'4 235
6'6 285
6'3 295
6'4 230
6'1 229
6'1 226
6'2 204

One 4*, two 2* and the rest 3*.

That is their DLine...That seems tiny.

Lol...If I could still run 4.5ish I could in up on their Dline now.

Yeah, I guess they value speed ends in their 4-3.

(09-09-2019 05:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:23 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Again, OM will likely be the best line we see. (They run a 3-4).

Their front seven:
6'4 325
6'1 329
6'6 270
6'3 252
6'2 244
6'0 235
6'3 251

UH:
6'6 288
6'2 285
6'3 295
6'2 245
6'2 220
6'2 255
6'1 210

UC: (3-4)
6'5 258
6'3 275
6'1 290
6'4 248
5'11 220
6'3 238
6'3 235


Numbers aren't everything, but OM had a much bigger line than Memphis will see again.

I don't doubt that they are bigger than any other line we will face, but the bottom line, and one of the main reasons for breaking down every throw, was to show that White just can't hit receivers more than 10 yards downfield with any consistency, and Norvell doesn't trust him to even try.

I'm not sold on Ole Piss being any good in any way. They will probably win 3 games all season. Also, we still managed to run for 200 yards against them at 4.8 yards per carry with a long of over 15 yards. It makes no sense to say that our offensive line run blocks great, but can't pass block to save its life, all of a sudden when White shows up.

The only difference between the Ole Piss game this year and the game last year is that we would have scored twice as many points on 2 play 75 yard drives with Henderson scoring on a 72 yard touchdown.

I was just noting my belief (regardless of the other debates) the OM will be the best front 7 Memphis plays all year.

I also think that this OM team will end up being a five win team. I am glad we played them right out of the gate, I think the majority new offense (including coordinator) will gel as the season goes on. And their defense looks good.

One other note about being good run blocking vs. pass blocking--that is a real thing. They two completely different talents.

Granted, it's a reddit thread, but there are some good discussions about the difference between run and pass blocking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/27..._not_pass/

It could be that the OC and line coaches think the o-line needs focus and scheming more for the run and that the pass blocking will be more of "hope it's good enough" since the offense is predicated on a lot of quick passes.

And that may very well be, but like every year, even the non starters got a lot of playing time the year before, and there has never been a scenario where the offensive line is the best in D1 at run blocking and the worst at pass blocking.

What I do know is that when Ferguson and Lynch were our quarterbacks, our opponents had to defend a 50X50W field. Our opponents now really only have to defend a 15X30W field. That for sure is a big part of it.



It is a lot to ask of any receiver, tight end or running back to get open when space is so tightly contested.

You obviously didn't play OL. I did. It is MUCH easier to pick up run blocking that pass blocking. Run is attack, pass is react. Our OL is composed of one player that hadn't played a snap in his position #53, one that had played a snap for the Tigers #67, one returning starter and two that saw some playing time. Our OL will be very good by the Navy game. I have faith in them, but the ole miss game as a start to the season was a HUGE test for them. One they passed, but not with flying colors.

Every military school is an example of being the best at run blocking and bad at pass blocking.

If other teams are only defending a 15x30 field like you claim, then run fly patters every play and beat them deep. But, I will let you in on an apparent secret... Coach Norvell wants their defense in close, because when our playmakers get into space, they are usually gone. It's why last year we had such long runs, once you get past the box, there isn't a lot of defenders left.
Against every team outside of ole miss and maybe Houston, Tulane and Cincy (I would say USF but their coaching negates their talent), our offensive talent >>> their defensive talent. We want one on one matchups because winning those results in TDs. We don't want deep zones with people defending the whole field.

I think UCF will be the most talented D-line we face.

(09-10-2019 01:39 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 06:57 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:57 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:27 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  is there anyone who thinks that Ole Miss' front line wont be the most talented D Line memphis faces all year? Sure if was the first game of the year, and our offensive line was somewhat new, but that D Line was talented. They spent a lot of time in the backfield, thus brady wasnt able to plant his feet and make throws. They had to roll him out to give him more time.

They are probably the highest rated high schoolers, but they wont be the best Defense we face this year, not in the top 3.

I'm specifically talking defensive lines. Do you believe ole miss' d line still won't be in the top 3 Memphis will face?

Outside of being (by far) the biggest and most highly rated coming out of high school (one 5*. three 4* and three 3*) and one of the most experienced (three seniors and four juniors)...every OTHER metric supports Ned's contention.

Pfft.

Even trying to make straight faced arguments, only Cinci and Houston are permitted to be in the conversation.

Actually Houston's DL has been pretty average outside of one player, which is how we rolled them last season.
Tulane is in the argument for best DLine, but their LBs and DBs aren't anywhere close to as talented.
Haven't had a chance to watch Temple, but their defense has always been very salty.

But to say ole miss won't be in the top 3 that we face is pretty funny.

The only other thing that really strikes me as interesting is how SMALL the Tigers' O-line is. After looking at the depth charts, most AAC team (and even USA this week) have two or three (and sometimes four or five) of their offensive lineman over 300 pounds.

Memphis only has one starter over 300.

UCF, for comparison's sake, has nine of their 10 two-deep lineman over 305 pounds. The other dude "only" weighs 290.

(09-10-2019 01:52 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think UCF will be the most talented D-line we face.

Gotta get to the title game for that to happen.