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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 08:33 PM)va-eagle Wrote: (09-07-2019 05:22 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote: Seriously, who should be the next HC? Hopson is toast.
Rich Rodriguez. He is good enough to be a great coach in this league. He would be around for a while unless he got on a roll and won a lot of games each season for 4+ years.
We couldn’t come close to his OC salary at Ole Miss.....
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 08:43 PM)EagNBran Wrote: Would prefer someone not looking to retire. Get a guy at an FCS school running a high powered offense and winning.
Yeah, we need someone making their way up the ladder, not their way down.
One of the first interview questions should be, “Where do you see yourself in 8 years?” If the answer includes any form of “Still at Southern Miss,” stop the interview there, thank him for his time, and send him on his way.
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RE: USM vs MSU
Tulane played Auburn closer than we played State.
Chew on that a while.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 10:31 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: Tulane played Auburn closer than we played State.
Chew on that a while.
ULM missed an XPT in OT to lose to FL State. We got cold smoked by a slightly above average MSU team.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 05:14 PM)EagNBran Wrote: We have him through the year. I wonder if McClain will keep him around. He canned Troy’s basketball coach a year after going to the NCAAs.
Wouldn't surprise me if McClain canned him. He's definitely an AD that understands a fanbase's frustrations. He's top notch at hiring too.
Troy's bball coach got canned because he managed to have a losing season the year after winning the SBC and going to the NCAA's, despite getting back every single starter. We were considered to be one of the top mid-major teams that next season following our NCAA trip, and we went 16-17. McClain stopped the bleeding before it could become a serious issue... then made a spectacular hire getting us Scott Cross.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 09:47 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: (09-07-2019 08:33 PM)va-eagle Wrote: (09-07-2019 05:22 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote: Seriously, who should be the next HC? Hopson is toast.
Rich Rodriguez. He is good enough to be a great coach in this league. He would be around for a while unless he got on a roll and won a lot of games each season for 4+ years.
We couldn’t come close to his OC salary at Ole Miss.....
We wouldn’t necessarily have to. That conversation goes something like this: “Here’s our facilities, here’s what we are paying you, here’s what you have to recruit with, here’s what you have to pay assistants with, and here’s who you are playing. Take it, win games, and we will happily throw you a nice going away party as you cash in somewhere else at $3 million a year.”
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 10:31 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: Tulane played Auburn closer than we played State.
Well, Tulane has a better team than we do with exponentially better coaches. They would body bag us if we played.
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RE: USM vs MSU
Honestly, if I’m McClain, when I let Hopson go, I’m sending out a message to all USM Alumni discussing the reason, the desire for greater success, the desire to dominate and leave this league, recruit better, everything. And at the end, I’m going to say that if we want to do that, we have to pay a competitive coaching salary to the head coach and his assistants, something we currently don’t. So if you’re on board and want to see our team back on top and moving to where we want to go, this is our financial goal for this coaching hire and here’s a place to contribute.
Let fans invest into the coaching hire. Many aren’t going to give to the black hole that is our athletic department, but you tell me you need X amount for a competitive football coach salary, I’ll give you what I can.
The obvious issue is when you get that money, but don’t have the money for Year 2, 3, etc.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-07-2019 10:31 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: Tulane played Auburn closer than we played State.
Chew on that a while.
Apples-n-oranges. Did Tulane play Auburn better than we did last season? Which is more tangerines-n-oranges.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-08-2019 08:00 AM)EagNBran Wrote: Honestly, if I’m McClain, when I let Hopson go, I’m sending out a message to all USM Alumni discussing the reason, the desire for greater success, the desire to dominate and leave this league, recruit better, everything. And at the end, I’m going to say that if we want to do that, we have to pay a competitive coaching salary to the head coach and his assistants, something we currently don’t. So if you’re on board and want to see our team back on top and moving to where we want to go, this is our financial goal for this coaching hire and here’s a place to contribute.
Let fans invest into the coaching hire. Many aren’t going to give to the black hole that is our athletic department, but you tell me you need X amount for a competitive football coach salary, I’ll give you what I can.
The obvious issue is when you get that money, but don’t have the money for Year 2, 3, etc.
I think I’ll apply this thinking in my personal life. I’m gonna quit living in my neighborhood and move to the upscale gated community. Going to quit flying coach or rather just quit driving. Yeah that’s what I’ll do......good plan. Now all I got to do is win the lottery. Otherwise it’s all day dreaming....
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-08-2019 08:00 AM)EagNBran Wrote: Honestly, if I’m McClain, when I let Hopson go, I’m sending out a message to all USM Alumni discussing the reason, the desire for greater success, the desire to dominate and leave this league, recruit better, everything. And at the end, I’m going to say that if we want to do that, we have to pay a competitive coaching salary to the head coach and his assistants, something we currently don’t. So if you’re on board and want to see our team back on top and moving to where we want to go, this is our financial goal for this coaching hire and here’s a place to contribute.
Could we get better coaches if we paid more? Of course. Could we get better coaches for what we’re already paying? Yes, we could. We just gotta get over being afraid to change coaches every 3-4 years and stop settling for coaches willing to settle for being a G5 lifer.
Our selling point isn’t pay. It’s offering one of 120-some jobs in the country at a place with a decent fan following, great recruiting location, and everything already in place to win. Hopson took the job for $500k per year without even pushing the issue. Fedora won a championship and made the Top 25 for only $650k. I don’t know off the top of my head exactly what Monken made, but it had to be in the same neighborhood, and he took us from ashes to a division championship. Our issue is poor hiring moreso than just being poor.
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2019 12:07 PM by HarborPointe.)
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RE: USM vs MSU
Fedora was being paid over a million.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-08-2019 12:22 PM)EagNBran Wrote: Fedora was being paid over a million.
I’m talking base salary. I don’t even know what Hopson is making with media deals, endorsements, etc., added in.
Fedora had a bunch of incentives written into his contract that could’ve increased his pay considerably for say, cracking the BCS. According to this news story, he left having made $704,500 (corrected; I’d originally typed $750k) in 2011:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2011/12/0...-in-limbo/
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2019 06:28 PM by HarborPointe.)
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RE: USM vs MSU
4 star talent vs 2 star talent. It showed.
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(09-08-2019 12:33 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote: 4 star talent vs 2 star talent. It showed.
Very true, and that should be a point of accountability for the coaching staff. You can’t reasonably expect us to sign a bunch of 4-star & 5-star talent, but the best teams even in the G5 land their fair share of 3s.
Honest to goodness, the similarities between today & the waning years of Coach Bower’s run are striking.
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RE: USM vs MSU
How 'bout those kickoffs?
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(09-08-2019 12:02 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: (09-08-2019 08:00 AM)EagNBran Wrote: Honestly, if I’m McClain, when I let Hopson go, I’m sending out a message to all USM Alumni discussing the reason, the desire for greater success, the desire to dominate and leave this league, recruit better, everything. And at the end, I’m going to say that if we want to do that, we have to pay a competitive coaching salary to the head coach and his assistants, something we currently don’t. So if you’re on board and want to see our team back on top and moving to where we want to go, this is our financial goal for this coaching hire and here’s a place to contribute.
Could we get better coaches if we paid more? Of course. Could we get better coaches for what we’re already paying? Yes, we could. We just gotta get over being afraid to change coaches every 3-4 years and stop settling for coaches willing to settle for being a G5 lifer.
Our selling point isn’t pay. It’s offering one of 120-some jobs in the country at a place with a decent fan following, great recruiting location, and everything already in place to win. Hopson took the job for $500k per year without even pushing the issue. Fedora won a championship and made the Top 25 for only $650k. I don’t know off the top of my head exactly what Monken made, but it had to be in the same neighborhood, and he took us from ashes to a division championship. Our issue is poor hiring moreso than just being poor.
We gambled with a SWAC coach and lost. He’s not going to fix the turnover issues. He’s not going to fix the stupid penalties. He’s not going to fix the mentality of being subpar or the subpar recruiting standard. Even if we have to gamble on another coach, it’s time to move on.
That said, after going 0-3 in the only games we will play against decent teams, Hopson will go 8-1 or 7-2 against the walking dead, and end up with a raise and extension.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-08-2019 12:22 PM)EagNBran Wrote: Fedora was being paid over a million.
No he wasn't.
It was rumored we had about a $950,000 offer to keep him, but he left.
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(09-08-2019 08:00 AM)EagNBran Wrote: Honestly, if I’m McClain, when I let Hopson go, I’m sending out a message to all USM Alumni discussing the reason, the desire for greater success, the desire to dominate and leave this league, recruit better, everything. And at the end, I’m going to say that if we want to do that, we have to pay a competitive coaching salary to the head coach and his assistants, something we currently don’t. So if you’re on board and want to see our team back on top and moving to where we want to go, this is our financial goal for this coaching hire and here’s a place to contribute.
Let fans invest into the coaching hire. Many aren’t going to give to the black hole that is our athletic department, but you tell me you need X amount for a competitive football coach salary, I’ll give you what I can.
The obvious issue is when you get that money, but don’t have the money for Year 2, 3, etc.
I agree. I pitched this idea (with more details) to the previous two ADs and posted something similar on this board (and I believe others). Between the two of them I got one dismissive reply.
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RE: USM vs MSU
(09-08-2019 12:49 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: (09-08-2019 12:33 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote: 4 star talent vs 2 star talent. It showed.
Very true, and that should be a point of accountability for the coaching staff. You can’t reasonably expect us to sign a bunch of 4-star & 5-star talent, but the best teams even in the G5 land their fair share of 3s.
Honest to goodness, the similarities between today & the waning years of Coach Bower’s run are striking.
The world was drastically changing then, and it’s not even close to being the same world now. I understand your (and many others) yearning to be relevant in the big boy world of college football again. But it’s just not going to happen. The money nor the support of the administration or the college board is just not there. We are, simply, what we are.
As far as Hopson goes let me ask you this: would you be talking about Hopson’s lack of coaching skills now if this ‘supportive’ administration had allowed him to hire Briles? I suspect we would all be praising his coaching.
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