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RE: Expectations for next year....
BTW does anyone know what Cacok's wingspan and standing reach were?
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(08-21-2019 05:37 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: (08-21-2019 03:11 PM)82hawk Wrote: (08-21-2019 02:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: For the sake of getting this thread back on track... Here are my early CAA predictions
CofC
Northeastern
Delaware
Hofstra
Drexel
Towson
UNCW
JMU
W&M
Elon
IMO, the CAA is wide open this year with the exception of NU and CofC in the top 2. I don't see UNCW ahead of anyone but Elon.
I agree, it's wide open. Grant and Coen will have their teams primed for March. Delaware/Hofstra/Drexel are all interesting teams because I think one of them will contend for the title. Towson is a sleeper for me because of Fobbs, that kid is a bucket. JMU brings back some guys, but also has a lot of newcomers. W&M is shell of what they could've been, but at least that have Nathan Knight. I actually really like Elon's new coach, he was impressive on the recruiting trail and comes from a great coaching background. I think he's gonna do good things there.
Towson is too high IMO. Pat Skerry has under achieved every year. He also has the most roster turnover every year it seems and probably plays a part in their team chemistry.
Agree with Delaware. They look to be legit even after Horton transferred. They have Dylan Painter, Villanova transfer eligible after the first semester. Very impressed with the job Inglesby has done. Especially considering the mess he walked into being hired so late and having most of the team transfer out waiting for a coach to be hired.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(08-22-2019 08:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (08-22-2019 07:56 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: (08-22-2019 07:20 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: Hofstra wins every year because it appears after 2 years they have a much better coach than we do. Simple answer.
C.B. is 3-2 against Mihalich.
Doesn't mean a hill of beans when you finish 10-25
Mihalich is not a good coach. Great recruiter, but not a great coach. As good as some of his teams have been he has never been able to win the CAA Tournament and go dancing.
Now Bill Coen, he is a great coach! Northeastern has virtually no basketball support, yet he always wins every single year and plays great D. It seems that McGrath wants to play similar to Northeastern. Up tempo offense, great 3 pt shooting with a roster of guards and forwards with height and solid man to man defense.
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(08-22-2019 12:46 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote: (08-22-2019 08:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (08-22-2019 07:56 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: (08-22-2019 07:20 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: Hofstra wins every year because it appears after 2 years they have a much better coach than we do. Simple answer.
C.B. is 3-2 against Mihalich.
Doesn't mean a hill of beans when you finish 10-25
Mihalich is not a good coach. Great recruiter, but not a great coach. As good as some of his teams have been he has never been able to win the CAA Tournament and go dancing.
Now Bill Coen, he is a great coach! Northeastern has virtually no basketball support, yet he always wins every single year and plays great D. It seems that McGrath wants to play similar to Northeastern. Up tempo offense with great 3 pt shooting and solid man to man defense.
While i tend to agree with that statement, he still wins games. I'd love to win games. Our coach is said to be a good recruiter, and appears to be. But the coaching has not yielded any results. And comparing CB to NU is a joke. Yes he wants to play it, but the guy at NU can teach it. Verdict still is out but it appears he can't
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Yes, I did state that we were predictable last year and that does suggest coaching. Having Cacok down in the post and playing through him did not work well. Not sure that I can spell that out more clearly than that. Now ask yourself why they even did that? Without having dynamic guards and wings (factoring in ability and experience) had to factor into that. This staff chose to build slowly with young players and paid a price. The defense wasn't there either in terms of ball pressure and down low to erase mistakes. Getting to the offense...Who could get their own shot last year or create other than Kai?
Now let's fast forward to now. I still feel that they should have gotten 1 more big like y'all. The difference now is that they have added more athleticism, shooting and speed to the roster. They still will have to focus hard on rebounding the ball, but they now have enough athletic guards, wings and shooters to play faster. That gives them a better chance to win games. I'm a big fan of quickness and athleticism because you can't really teach that and it makes the game much easier to coach.
Teams win CAA titles with great guard and wing play. We've seen this happen in nearly every instance. All CAA winners had a 2 man that could kill you and/or a PG/wing that was also a killer. If Okauru can play this year, that is big. He has the potential to play at a high level and will at the very least give UNCW another explosive guard. They can also space the floor with Estime, Gadsden (injured) and Skaggs on the perimeter and Sims has another year under his belt. This will give Kai/Phillips more room to go to work so you have to pick your poison more if they play man to man. And Tolafree can get his shot too plus can drive the ball and finish.
My expectation is for improvement offensively and for more pace. My hope is that the overall defense to be improved as well. Not sure what that means to a CAA finish, but I'm expecting a much better overall team than last year. Hawking mentioned "momentum" ball. Well it's a game of runs often times and you had better have the guns to score it if you're not getting a ton of stops....which I hope improves with better perimeter ball pressure.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(08-22-2019 10:24 AM)82hawk Wrote: (08-22-2019 10:02 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: And the team played better without him several times ask Hawking.
And why do you think that might have been Bill? Maybe because he plunked Cacok in the low post and ran the offense through the post when he was in the game. A place where his athleticism and amazing hands were negated and he had a size disadvantage. Why didn't the Lakers do that? Why didn't Keatts do that? Why did Keatts and the Lakers use him in the high post to set picks with rolls to the basket were he was unstoppable? Nobody in the CAA could stop him, UVA couldn't stop him there. The only guy to ever stop him was McGrath. And we wonder why the players weren't "buying in"?
How did Cacok go from a human highlight reel with jaw dropping alleyoops and dunks multiple times per game, to a guy who suddenly had none of those? A guy who shot an NCAA all time record 80% FOR A SEASON, as a Sophmore and blew away the next highest ever by 3% to a guy who shot 58.5% his junior year and 59% his senior year?
You really want to go there and look at the problem being Cacok and not the coach in the way he was utilized? Please.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. If Cacok played this year in the 4 out 1 in system that UNCW will use, the team could conceivably go to the Finals in spite of CB's lack of benchwork prowess. Cacok was forced to play a game that he had no ability for. He got into foul trouble because of a porous defensive system. Actually there was NO system. Cacok is the ultimate complimentary player. With Keatts and in Summer League too. You don't build a team around him or expect him to carry the team. However, if you have good pieces around him and put him in the right role, he will deliver night in and night out. CB wasted him. BTW, the team did sometimes play better without him because he clogged up the lane because he was forced into the BALLSIDE block and played poor pick defense.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
The league fixed it so we don't have our Charleston game while students are gone
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(08-29-2019 06:07 AM)HAWKING Wrote: (08-22-2019 10:24 AM)82hawk Wrote: (08-22-2019 10:02 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: And the team played better without him several times ask Hawking.
And why do you think that might have been Bill? Maybe because he plunked Cacok in the low post and ran the offense through the post when he was in the game. A place where his athleticism and amazing hands were negated and he had a size disadvantage. Why didn't the Lakers do that? Why didn't Keatts do that? Why did Keatts and the Lakers use him in the high post to set picks with rolls to the basket were he was unstoppable? Nobody in the CAA could stop him, UVA couldn't stop him there. The only guy to ever stop him was McGrath. And we wonder why the players weren't "buying in"?
How did Cacok go from a human highlight reel with jaw dropping alleyoops and dunks multiple times per game, to a guy who suddenly had none of those? A guy who shot an NCAA all time record 80% FOR A SEASON, as a Sophmore and blew away the next highest ever by 3% to a guy who shot 58.5% his junior year and 59% his senior year?
You really want to go there and look at the problem being Cacok and not the coach in the way he was utilized? Please.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. If Cacok played this year in the 4 out 1 in system that UNCW will use, the team could conceivably go to the Finals in spite of CB's lack of benchwork prowess. Cacok was forced to play a game that he had no ability for. He got into foul trouble because of a porous defensive system. Actually there was NO system. Cacok is the ultimate complimentary player. With Keatts and in Summer League too. You don't build a team around him or expect him to carry the team. However, if you have good pieces around him and put him in the right role, he will deliver night in and night out. CB wasted him. BTW, the team did sometimes play better without him because he clogged up the lane because he was forced into the BALLSIDE block and played poor pick defense.
I don't know how many of y'all are familiar with Bill Simmons' "Ewing Theory" but it does have some validity to it, to an extent... Bottom line is we need everyone to make significant strides this season (including the coaching staff), especially on defense and some new faces to step up. Hard to believe we're only a little over 2 months until the season starts.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
Nothing Bill Simmons has ever said or written about basketball has any validity to me. The guy is just a straight blow hard with a huge ego. There is not one coach anywhere that would rather play against a team with the best player vs without him-not one.
UNCW has more talent now that two years ago when they had basically one or two guys that could compete. If they stay healthy this year I look for them to be .500 or a little better and middle of the pack CAA.
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(08-29-2019 03:01 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: Nothing Bill Simmons has ever said or written about basketball has any validity to me. The guy is just a straight blow hard with a huge ego. There is not one coach anywhere that would rather play against a team with the best player vs without him-not one.
UNCW has more talent now that two years ago when they had basically one or two guys that could compete. If they stay healthy this year I look for them to be .500 or a little better and middle of the pack CAA.
It has nothing to do with something he's written or what an opposing coach prefers. It's based on actual instances where teams have played better with their star player on the bench or injured. I think you're missing the point, but regardless I was just throwing a theory out there about why the team might have played better with Cacok on the bench last season.
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(08-29-2019 03:45 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: (08-29-2019 03:01 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: Nothing Bill Simmons has ever said or written about basketball has any validity to me. The guy is just a straight blow hard with a huge ego. There is not one coach anywhere that would rather play against a team with the best player vs without him-not one.
UNCW has more talent now that two years ago when they had basically one or two guys that could compete. If they stay healthy this year I look for them to be .500 or a little better and middle of the pack CAA.
It has nothing to do with something he's written or what an opposing coach prefers. It's based on actual instances where teams have played better with their star player on the bench or injured. I think you're missing the point, but regardless I was just throwing a theory out there about why the team might have played better with Cacok on the bench last season.
Yeah but because Mullet doesn't like him he couldn't possibly know anything about basketball
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I think it is clear there is some validity to the theory the best talent isn't always the best fit. This usually assumes you have a better primary scoring or defensive option though. For instance on a healthy Warriors last year Cousin's might have been the 5th most talented player (maybe even 4th) but with the fit with 3 superior offensive players his services aren't maximized and a role player defensive guy like Looney works better who doesn't need shots or the ball in his hand to have value.
A lot of people tried to say the team played better with Durant out, the offense moved better, defense wasn't taking it's cue's and being lasy, and they had a lot of regular season records to back it up(I think they were like 33-4) but I think that was pretty much dispelled in the playoffs when things got serious.
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(08-30-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: I think it is clear there is some validity to the theory the best talent isn't always the best fit. This usually assumes you have a better primary scoring or defensive option though. For instance on a healthy Warriors last year Cousin's might have been the 5th most talented player (maybe even 4th) but with the fit with 3 superior offensive players his services aren't maximized and a role player defensive guy like Looney works better who doesn't need shots or the ball in his hand to have value.
A lot of people tried to say the team played better with Durant out, the offense moved better, defense wasn't taking it's cue's and being lasy, and they had a lot of regular season records to back it up(I think they were like 33-4) but I think that was pretty much dispelled in the playoffs when things got serious.
The best example of it occurring recently IMO is the Boston Celtics playing a much better brand of basketball with their star player Kyrie out of the lineup versus when he was in the lineup. Their record was much better and there is stats to back it up. Would an opposing coach rather see a team with Kyrie than without??? Of course not, but at the end of the day a 2 year sample is long enough to prove they were better without Kyrie.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(08-30-2019 08:45 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: (08-30-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: I think it is clear there is some validity to the theory the best talent isn't always the best fit. This usually assumes you have a better primary scoring or defensive option though. For instance on a healthy Warriors last year Cousin's might have been the 5th most talented player (maybe even 4th) but with the fit with 3 superior offensive players his services aren't maximized and a role player defensive guy like Looney works better who doesn't need shots or the ball in his hand to have value.
A lot of people tried to say the team played better with Durant out, the offense moved better, defense wasn't taking it's cue's and being lasy, and they had a lot of regular season records to back it up(I think they were like 33-4) but I think that was pretty much dispelled in the playoffs when things got serious.
The best example of it occurring recently IMO is the Boston Celtics playing a much better brand of basketball with their star player Kyrie out of the lineup versus when he was in the lineup. Their record was much better and there is stats to back it up. Would an opposing coach rather see a team with Kyrie than without??? Of course not, but at the end of the day a 2 year sample is long enough to prove they were better without Kyrie.
It is a senseless argument and if you think Simmons knows anything about basketball I feel sorry for you. I don't buy his BS books and I don't listen to his ramblings about Boston sports .
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RE: Expectations for next year....
Bill Simmons's article about the history of the LA Clippers history of 1st round draft choices prior to their selection of Blake Griffin was a classic. It is not an Xs and Os analysis, but a description of how they kept selecting forwards who got hurt or were traded after 2 or 3 years.
Simmons was a Clippers' season ticket owner when that was the best way to get tickets to 3 Lakers' games.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(08-30-2019 03:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: (08-30-2019 08:45 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: (08-30-2019 08:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: I think it is clear there is some validity to the theory the best talent isn't always the best fit. This usually assumes you have a better primary scoring or defensive option though. For instance on a healthy Warriors last year Cousin's might have been the 5th most talented player (maybe even 4th) but with the fit with 3 superior offensive players his services aren't maximized and a role player defensive guy like Looney works better who doesn't need shots or the ball in his hand to have value.
A lot of people tried to say the team played better with Durant out, the offense moved better, defense wasn't taking it's cue's and being lasy, and they had a lot of regular season records to back it up(I think they were like 33-4) but I think that was pretty much dispelled in the playoffs when things got serious.
The best example of it occurring recently IMO is the Boston Celtics playing a much better brand of basketball with their star player Kyrie out of the lineup versus when he was in the lineup. Their record was much better and there is stats to back it up. Would an opposing coach rather see a team with Kyrie than without??? Of course not, but at the end of the day a 2 year sample is long enough to prove they were better without Kyrie.
It is a senseless argument and if you think Simmons knows anything about basketball I feel sorry for you. I don't buy his BS books and I don't listen to his ramblings about Boston sports .
Please don’t feel sorry for me because I surely don’t want your pity. If anyone knows a senseless argument it would be you so I guess we can just leave it at that.
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Simmons has watched a ton of basketball in his life. When someone devotes himself to time to something as he has, I'll listen to what he says. I certainly won't take his word as gospel, but I'll listen. His Big Book of Basketball was an entertaining read.
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