Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Wasn't it the FSU AD that predicted $15 Million?

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Apparently many of these TV providers had REALLY long contracts with ESPN... so much so that launching the ACC Network 2 or 3 years ago would've been virtually impossible. At least in 2019 you have Altice (really December 2018), DirecTV, Charter/Spectrum, and apparently ATT U-verse before the end of the year. The fact that Comcast doesn't come up for renewal until 2022 doesn't mean that 2018 or 2017 would've gone any smoother. It's maddeningly slow, but there IS progress being made.

(08-25-2019 08:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Wasn't it the FSU AD that predicted $15 Million?

Yup. The one we fired. The one I stated on this board was a joke and incorrect.

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Do you have a link for this? I would like to see for myself, or hear for my self the FSU AD saying this. I just cant imagine him expressing the kind of premature doom and gloom that your comment seems to indicate. Three million per team the first year would not be horrible. Its been reported that thats what the SECN paid out its first year. The original reports said that the SECN paid out $5 million per team but has since been scaled down, I guess. So $3 million per team means we are on the right tract to start. With the experience of hindsight in launching the SECN, I think the ACC could do better than $3 million per team. But we will see.

(08-25-2019 01:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Do you have a link for this? I would like to see for myself, or hear for my self the FSU AD saying this. I just cant imagine him expressing the kind of premature doom and gloom that your comment seems to indicate. Three million per team the first year would not be horrible. Its been reported that thats what the SECN paid out its first year. The original reports said that the SECN paid out $5 million per team but has since been scaled down, I guess. So $3 million per team means we are on the right tract to start. With the experience of hindsight in launching the SECN, I think the ACC could do better than $3 million per team. But we will see.

https://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/t...ew.259397/

"The ACC Network: Some of you might not like this much but the truth hurts sometimes. The school is budgeting for about a $3M increase a year for the new network. He doesn't foresee any time in the near future where we will be close to bringing in the money the SEC and Big 10 brings in from their network because so much has changed since they launched theirs. Still, it's a welcome increase and FSU will just continue to keep doing more with less."

"The interview was Front Row Noles with KJ and Tom Block. Good Seminoles and an excellent show. 97.9 FM"

some good news. Hearing some rumors about Cox Cable carrying ACCN.

(08-25-2019 03:48 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 01:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Do you have a link for this? I would like to see for myself, or hear for my self the FSU AD saying this. I just cant imagine him expressing the kind of premature doom and gloom that your comment seems to indicate. Three million per team the first year would not be horrible. Its been reported that thats what the SECN paid out its first year. The original reports said that the SECN paid out $5 million per team but has since been scaled down, I guess. So $3 million per team means we are on the right tract to start. With the experience of hindsight in launching the SECN, I think the ACC could do better than $3 million per team. But we will see.

https://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/t...ew.259397/

"The ACC Network: Some of you might not like this much but the truth hurts sometimes. The school is budgeting for about a $3M increase a year for the new network. He doesn't foresee any time in the near future where we will be close to bringing in the money the SEC and Big 10 brings in from their network because so much has changed since they launched theirs. Still, it's a welcome increase and FSU will just continue to keep doing more with less."

"The interview was Front Row Noles with KJ and Tom Block. Good Seminoles and an excellent show. 97.9 FM"

Got anything from mainstream media?

(08-25-2019 03:48 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 01:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Do you have a link for this? I would like to see for myself, or hear for my self the FSU AD saying this. I just cant imagine him expressing the kind of premature doom and gloom that your comment seems to indicate. Three million per team the first year would not be horrible. Its been reported that thats what the SECN paid out its first year. The original reports said that the SECN paid out $5 million per team but has since been scaled down, I guess. So $3 million per team means we are on the right tract to start. With the experience of hindsight in launching the SECN, I think the ACC could do better than $3 million per team. But we will see.

https://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/t...ew.259397/

"The ACC Network: Some of you might not like this much but the truth hurts sometimes. The school is budgeting for about a $3M increase a year for the new network. He doesn't foresee any time in the near future where we will be close to bringing in the money the SEC and Big 10 brings in from their network because so much has changed since they launched theirs. Still, it's a welcome increase and FSU will just continue to keep doing more with less."

"The interview was Front Row Noles with KJ and Tom Block. Good Seminoles and an excellent show. 97.9 FM"

that to me sounds like a floor for extra revenue

In other words, speculation, speculation, speculation. No one has a clue as to what level of revenue the ACC network will generate and it should be a wait and see approach. We do know that it is better than $0.

(08-25-2019 03:48 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 01:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Do you have a link for this? I would like to see for myself, or hear for my self the FSU AD saying this. I just cant imagine him expressing the kind of premature doom and gloom that your comment seems to indicate. Three million per team the first year would not be horrible. Its been reported that thats what the SECN paid out its first year. The original reports said that the SECN paid out $5 million per team but has since been scaled down, I guess. So $3 million per team means we are on the right tract to start. With the experience of hindsight in launching the SECN, I think the ACC could do better than $3 million per team. But we will see.

https://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/t...ew.259397/

"The ACC Network: Some of you might not like this much but the truth hurts sometimes. The school is budgeting for about a $3M increase a year for the new network. He doesn't foresee any time in the near future where we will be close to bringing in the money the SEC and Big 10 brings in from their network because so much has changed since they launched theirs. Still, it's a welcome increase and FSU will just continue to keep doing more with less."

"The interview was Front Row Noles with KJ and Tom Block. Good Seminoles and an excellent show. 97.9 FM"

Looks like someone was retelling what the AD said supposedly. Im not able to log in unless I join to be able to read the content. But it doesnt seem like a direct quote from your ad. Seems like a some info from a message board poster.

(08-25-2019 03:48 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 01:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-25-2019 07:45 AM)nole Wrote:  Not the wins the ACC badly needed during the last days of negotiation before go live.

FSU AD stating network will only bring in $3 Million moving forward and far short of our rivals.

ACC delayed this for years for a smoother execution..........

Do you have a link for this? I would like to see for myself, or hear for my self the FSU AD saying this. I just cant imagine him expressing the kind of premature doom and gloom that your comment seems to indicate. Three million per team the first year would not be horrible. Its been reported that thats what the SECN paid out its first year. The original reports said that the SECN paid out $5 million per team but has since been scaled down, I guess. So $3 million per team means we are on the right tract to start. With the experience of hindsight in launching the SECN, I think the ACC could do better than $3 million per team. But we will see.

https://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/t...ew.259397/

"The ACC Network: Some of you might not like this much but the truth hurts sometimes. The school is budgeting for about a $3M increase a year for the new network. He doesn't foresee any time in the near future where we will be close to bringing in the money the SEC and Big 10 brings in from their network because so much has changed since they launched theirs. Still, it's a welcome increase and FSU will just continue to keep doing more with less."

"The interview was Front Row Noles with KJ and Tom Block. Good Seminoles and an excellent show. 97.9 FM"

The ACCN already has about 25-30 million subscribers already and will probably have more yet it will only generate negligible income. Does that make sense? ACC schools spent about $10 million each creating sophisticated on campus broadcast facilities for ACCN and will undoubtedly spend at least hundreds of thousands of dollars a year each operating these facilities yet the schools are expecting only negligible income from ACCN. Does that make sense?

ADs are heavily involved in fundraising. They have plenty of motivation to poor-mouth.

If $3 million/year was mentioned at all, it was probably a first year number, when payouts will be limited by high start up costs and less than a full year's affiliate revenues.

(08-26-2019 07:16 AM)orangefan Wrote:  If $3 million/year was mentioned at all, it was probably a first year number, when payouts will be limited by hisgh start up costs and less than a full year's affiliate revenues.

Keep in mind also that the fiscal year begins July 1st IIRC - but the ACCN didn't even launch until Aug 22nd (and nowhere near full coverage at that point).

$3M total in perpetuity doesn't make much sense. It makes perfect sense for the first year.

What we know:

1. The ACC has had a healthy, but not universal launch. It's available to anyone who wants it via streaming services as well.

2. The first football game doesn't go until Thursday, the first game featuring Virginia teams is Saturday, and the first featuring Florida teams is the following Saturday. That's the real launch period. If we get through that period with no additional providers, then there may not be any more providers for a while. Maybe some movement at basketball season, or maybe no additional providers until their contracts run out.

3. ESPN is asking for enough money that it is a difficult add. So it's not like they're asking negligible carriage fees. If they were asking for a tiny number or much less than the SEC, then there wouldn't still be some hold outs.

4. ESPN has gotten the ACCN on every NEW contract they've signed, with little to no reported issues. From what I can tell, there hasn't been a single provider that has lost Disney channels do to a contentious carriage fee fight with Disney. In the worst case scenario, the ACC will have to wait through contracts, and Comcast is up in three years. I don't know when Dish and Cox are up, but in three years they'll have Comcast, and anyone else who comes up in that time.

5. I don't see how having universal carriage everywhere in 3-4 years adds up to $3M. That makes little sense to me.

That said, there are investments to pay down, so if the net addition to the budget is only $3M even beyond this year, that wouldn't be surprising.

I think the ACC absolutely should be embarrassed for missing the boat on conference networks 8-9 years ago, and making everything harder now by not seeing the value then. You can't get back the years of revenue they missed on.

However, I don't know what people want out of this rollout. The long rollout means they launch with more homes than the PAC, and more than the B1G network launched with. They have two choices, they can play hardball with higher pricing and the carriage fight be stretched out a bit, or they can give it away and be on everywhere. The long rollout means they can ask for high pricing, but still be widely available.

Or I guess they could just not do a network at all. Does that work for anybody?

I mean, you can only play with the hand you're dealt. You can't make ACC sports more popular than the SEC or B1G just because we wish it was. But I have a hard time looking at this as a failure based on anything so far.

(08-25-2019 03:49 PM)nole Wrote:  some good news. Hearing some rumors about Cox Cable carrying ACCN.

That would be good. I just got an email from GT (my daughter goes there) telling people to keep calling their provider, so they haven't given up getting more added. But urging people to consider switching at this point five days out of the first game.

Let's say the ACCN costs the cable company $1 per month per subscriber. If all they did was pass that cost on, I doubt the lose a single customer over a $1 increase. The problem comes when they jack up the price $10/month and try to justify it by saying "we added the ACC Network".

(08-26-2019 11:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Let's say the ACCN costs the cable company $1 per month per subscriber. If all they did was pass that cost on, I doubt the lose a single customer over a $1 increase. The problem comes when they jack up the price $10/month and try to justify it by saying "we added the ACC Network".

There are different rates in market vs. out of market. Let's assume an average of $1/mo/sub. It could be less than that out of market, but it will definitely be above that in market.

Let's do some napkin math:
( ($1/mo/sub * 30m subs * 12 months) * 50% for ESPN taking half) / 15 (we'll assume the ACC offices + ND are one share) = $12,000,000/yr/school

Basically, year one will pay for the cost of putting in the studios on campus in the first place.

(08-26-2019 11:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-26-2019 11:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Let's say the ACCN costs the cable company $1 per month per subscriber. If all they did was pass that cost on, I doubt the lose a single customer over a $1 increase. The problem comes when they jack up the price $10/month and try to justify it by saying "we added the ACC Network".

There are different rates in market vs. out of market. Let's assume an average of $1/mo/sub. It could be less than that out of market, but it will definitely be above that in market.

Let's do some napkin math:
( ($1/mo/sub * 30m subs * 12 months) * 50% for ESPN taking half) / 15 (we'll assume the ACC offices + ND are one share) = $12,000,000/yr/school

Basically, year one will pay for the cost of putting in the studios on campus in the first place.

ND gets a full share of ACC Network profits, the same as the other 14 schools.

(08-26-2019 11:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-26-2019 11:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-26-2019 11:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Let's say the ACCN costs the cable company $1 per month per subscriber. If all they did was pass that cost on, I doubt the lose a single customer over a $1 increase. The problem comes when they jack up the price $10/month and try to justify it by saying "we added the ACC Network".

There are different rates in market vs. out of market. Let's assume an average of $1/mo/sub. It could be less than that out of market, but it will definitely be above that in market.

Let's do some napkin math:
( ($1/mo/sub * 30m subs * 12 months) * 50% for ESPN taking half) / 15 (we'll assume the ACC offices + ND are one share) = $12,000,000/yr/school

Basically, year one will pay for the cost of putting in the studios on campus in the first place.

ND gets a full share of ACC Network profits, the same as the other 14 schools.

No football carve out? If that's the case dividing by 16 yields $11.25m/yr/school.

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