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An assistant coach recently told one of my friends that he wouldn't be in the area if they didn't finish at least 6-6 this season. Sounds like the expectations have been clearly articulated. The latitude for poor performance has ended. It's show time for the coaching staff!

This news pairs very well with the information I recently received that the next big fundraising push will be for coaching salaries.

(08-19-2019 02:33 PM)xxxoduxxx Wrote:  Due to rapid changes in the past 10 years from no football to independents to FCS to FBS and stadium construction etc, I will reserve any bad judgment for BW as a coach right now. When there were problems on the field, he made changes on the coaching staff which is good enough for me to say he is safe. I say another 2 years before I start judging him as a coach. As a person outside the field, I don't think ODU will every get a better coach than him though.

We should remember that Duke is very fortunate to have Coach K now because its athletic director had patience and foresight than most the fans who wanted him fired.

Coach K is forever loyal to Duke, BW would be out of here with any consistent success, the Temple job after our bowl win he was ready to jump ship.

(08-19-2019 03:06 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 02:33 PM)xxxoduxxx Wrote:  Due to rapid changes in the past 10 years from no football to independents to FCS to FBS and stadium construction etc, I will reserve any bad judgment for BW as a coach right now. When there were problems on the field, he made changes on the coaching staff which is good enough for me to say he is safe. I say another 2 years before I start judging him as a coach. As a person outside the field, I don't think ODU will every get a better coach than him though.

We should remember that Duke is very fortunate to have Coach K now because its athletic director had patience and foresight than most the fans who wanted him fired.

Coach K is forever loyal to Duke, BW would be out of here with any consistent success, the Temple job after our bowl win he was ready to jump ship.

Based on what?

Our offensive coordinator was asst head coach at va tech. He might be convinced to stay as head coach if BW is gone.

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(08-19-2019 02:57 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  An assistant coach recently told one of my friends that he wouldn't be in the area if they didn't finish at least 6-6 this season. Sounds like the expectations have been clearly articulated. The latitude for poor performance has ended. It's show time for the coaching staff!

This news pairs very well with the information I recently received that the next big fundraising push will be for coaching salaries.

I hate it for the assistants, because they all sound great and came into a tough situation. BUT, I think this is actually good news. And if we were to start out 1-6, I'd be happy to let one of the assistants take over and have a live audition for the job. That said, I'd love to see us win at least six and go bowling. That would shut up a lot of folks for a while, including me.

(08-19-2019 03:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 03:06 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 02:33 PM)xxxoduxxx Wrote:  Due to rapid changes in the past 10 years from no football to independents to FCS to FBS and stadium construction etc, I will reserve any bad judgment for BW as a coach right now. When there were problems on the field, he made changes on the coaching staff which is good enough for me to say he is safe. I say another 2 years before I start judging him as a coach. As a person outside the field, I don't think ODU will every get a better coach than him though.

We should remember that Duke is very fortunate to have Coach K now because its athletic director had patience and foresight than most the fans who wanted him fired.

Coach K is forever loyal to Duke, BW would be out of here with any consistent success, the Temple job after our bowl win he was ready to jump ship.

Based on what?

After USA Today and ESPN mentioned his name. HM at the VA Polit "Two sources at ODU then confirmed to The Virginian-Pilot that Wilder met with representatives of Temple last week while on a trip to New York."

Was it true probably not, media hype? Most likely. His agent leveraged a 9-3 season, bowl bid and a possible Temple opening and asked ODU for over 800k a year for him before rumors settled.

Ok, but that doesn't mean "BW would have been out of here."

If Bobby can beat VT again.... (and maybe UVA), I’ll want a statue!!

Otherwise it’s passive aggressive to start an Official Fire Wilder thread, then vote that you want to keep him. Typical SB! lol

(08-19-2019 03:59 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Our offensive coordinator was asst head coach at va tech. He might be convinced to stay as head coach if BW is gone.

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I've heard that he makes really bad play calls.

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(08-19-2019 03:59 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Our offensive coordinator was asst head coach at va tech. He might be convinced to stay as head coach if BW is gone.

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I think you mean tight ends coach/running coordinator. Brian Scott has never been and would never have been asst head coach at VT

As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

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(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

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We've lost a lot more than we've won the last few seasons. No fan base would tolerate that and not want a change in a HC. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. What will be a surprise, at least to me, is if we have a winning record this season. If that happens then BW won't go anywhere and none of this will matter.

I get that a lot of people here like him and he's done a lot of good for the program, but he needs to start winning some games and be competitive in our conference.

"A lot more." We are 30-31 in FBS.

6-6, bowl game, two season where the last game determined bowl eligibility. 1 season at 4 games under .500.

The results are not where we want to be, common among startups. But, we certainly haven't lost a lot more than we've won.

(08-20-2019 09:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  "A lot more." We are 30-31 in FBS.

6-6, bowl game, two season where the last game determined bowl eligibility. 1 season at 4 games under .500.

The results are not where we want to be, common among startups. But, we certainly haven't lost a lot more than we've won.

Fair enough. So 1 bowl game every 5 years, 0 conference championships and a .500ish record is good enough? Even the bowl season we got blown out in the 3 losses we had (it was a great season though, I'm not taking anything away from that).

Am I just being impatient and/or illogical in thinking we should be better than a .500 team?

(08-20-2019 09:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  "A lot more." We are 30-31 in FBS.

6-6, bowl game, two season where the last game determined bowl eligibility. 1 season at 4 games under .500.

The results are not where we want to be, common among startups. But, we certainly haven't lost a lot more than we've won.

Well if you do a little digging nothing is what it seems to be. We have won what? 4 games vs teams with a winning record during our FBS tenure. Rice, LT, UNT and EMU in bowl. Lets see the losses we have suffered. UNC Mercy rule(Techically FCS, but terrible publicity), spanking from WKU, Humiliation both times from App not to mention embarrassing performance at Luhbutty. This is his glowing resume. The only bright spot is his win vs a bad VT team got us more publicity than we could by winning out the season so i give him that.

30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

(08-20-2019 09:42 AM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 09:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  "A lot more." We are 30-31 in FBS.

6-6, bowl game, two season where the last game determined bowl eligibility. 1 season at 4 games under .500.

The results are not where we want to be, common among startups. But, we certainly haven't lost a lot more than we've won.

Fair enough. So 1 bowl game every 5 years, 0 conference championships and a .500ish record is good enough? Even the bowl season we got blown out in the 3 losses we had (it was a great season though, I'm not taking anything away from that).

Am I just being impatient and/or illogical in thinking we should be better than a .500 team?

You missed the part that said "the results are not where we want to be"

Whether we are or aren't, we haven't "lost a lot more than we've won."

Bottom line is we've been one of the most successful startups in history. However, we are getting out of the startup phase soon and the results are going to have to reflect that.

(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

LOL i missed the win against FIU and looks like you missed the win over EMU in the popeyes bowl which will bring the wins to 5 which is still pretty meh.

(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

(08-20-2019 11:53 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

LOL i missed the win against FIU and looks like you missed the win over EMU in the popeyes bowl which will bring the wins to 5 which is still pretty meh.

That's correct, I looked at the total games but not the post season, tnx