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(08-19-2019 09:21 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  CAA All-Time leading assist guy is a Freshman who's team ranked #350/353 teams in PACE.

You guys were 140th in pace last year, basically average pace.
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(08-19-2019 11:05 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:04 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 09:40 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 09:34 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Fascinating stuff HAWKING. I only understood about 60 % of what you stated above, but it looks great to me. lol.

Thanks!
Basically more switching, more pressure and an emphasis on transition basketball so we try to stay out of 1/2 court basketball where defenses can set up.

Exactly. And the Lakers used Cacok in the exact same manner as Keatts did. It was beautiful to watch...both times.
So what is it, is it stubbornness to not adjust, or is it that he just doesn't recognize it. Both equally as bad but just curious as to your thoughts.
We only teach what we know. 3rd year HC.
Then maybe he should learn more! when you have been around the game as long as he has, i find it hard to believe he hasn't seen enough other styles to teach it. And if he can't.... shame on him for not hiring assistants that can!
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(08-19-2019 11:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:05 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  If you guys only have 8 or 9 players and 2 or 3 legit bigs I don't think press and man to man are what you would want your team identity to be. If you speed teams up that's more possessions and more possessions is more chances to foul #1.

More possessions will also will be more taxing on your players (gas outs) and give teams with more talent more bites at the apple to out play you which I think is the biggest problem for most teams. That's why it's hard to play a Duke or Virginia if you play them fast because they have more opportunity for talent to win out in more possessions. Teams with more depth also have more opportunity for their back ups to beat your gassed players.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...s-per-game

Virginia plays at one of the slowest paces in the nation. I think that's actually the best way to max your best talent. Similar to the old Princeton teams that sat on the ball. Duke is kind of the counter though. They usually have a short 7 or 8 man rotation and still manage to play pretty fast. They are also so talented that you probably want them out there with more opportunities( possessions) even if they are a little gassed. Even though they don't go more than 7 or 8 deep they still have good players beyond that they can if they get into foul trouble.
We don't play Duke or Virginia. There are no comparable teams in the CAA. M-M and changing up defenses to increase possessions is key. There is also momentum/flow to consider which cannot easily be measured by analytics.

I think Hawking's idea of mashing up a few different defenses and rotating them as necessary is the key for Mid Major basketball. Knowing we are going to be an undersized team, sticking primarily with a man to man defense just seems illogical to me, and I never played anything more than HS ball.

What I did like about the game against the Serbian team in Italy was that we were picking them up on defense at the 3/4 court. We didn't look experienced enough to consistently push them to one side of the floor or the other, but it was nice to see. We have some guys with speed, and if we can utilize that speed on defense as well as offense and we have something going. Forcing these guys to sit back in a half court defense where they're more than likely going to get exposed is just asking for losses, in my humble opinion.

82, I think you also misunderstood me up there a few posts back. I didn't mean to insinuate that Keatts' system didn't work or was bad. I was just highlighting that it wasn't perfect, and there were several times when it was exposed and there was no changing it up. Granted, it worked most of the time and made a sweet name for us though. Definitely wasn't trying to say it was a bad defense.
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(08-19-2019 11:14 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:05 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:04 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 09:40 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Basically more switching, more pressure and an emphasis on transition basketball so we try to stay out of 1/2 court basketball where defenses can set up.

Exactly. And the Lakers used Cacok in the exact same manner as Keatts did. It was beautiful to watch...both times.
So what is it, is it stubbornness to not adjust, or is it that he just doesn't recognize it. Both equally as bad but just curious as to your thoughts.
We only teach what we know. 3rd year HC.

Exactly. McGrath doesnt know anyway but the UNC way. That is standard among UNC coaching tree hires throughout college basketball and was my biggest concern with McGrath. Hopefully he will learn to be open to things outside of the box a la Wes Miller

My fear is that he spent A LOT longer in that "UNC way" than Wes Miller did and that would cause him to never go with anything else. That's my concern.

It's odd to me that coaches at that level don't readily recognize a difference in product they can put on the court at the mid major level compared to a place like Carolina.
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(08-19-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:14 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:05 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:04 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Exactly. And the Lakers used Cacok in the exact same manner as Keatts did. It was beautiful to watch...both times.
So what is it, is it stubbornness to not adjust, or is it that he just doesn't recognize it. Both equally as bad but just curious as to your thoughts.
We only teach what we know. 3rd year HC.

Exactly. McGrath doesnt know anyway but the UNC way. That is standard among UNC coaching tree hires throughout college basketball and was my biggest concern with McGrath. Hopefully he will learn to be open to things outside of the box a la Wes Miller



It's odd to me that coaches at that level don't readily recognize a difference in product they can put on the court at the mid major level compared to a place like Carolina.

Couldn't agree with you more. Seems like common sense to me.
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(08-19-2019 11:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  We don't play Duke or Virginia. There are no comparable teams in the CAA. M-M and changing up defenses to increase possessions is key. There is also momentum/flow to consider which cannot easily be measured by analytics.


I was referring to the teams you said you had trouble with in the past but I agree I don't think you can change your team identity at that point.

There are many ways to win, especially if you have the talent relative to who you are playing to make it work. I just see slowing it down as the least problematic for teams that don't have as much talent or depth in general and to max what you got. Brownell's teams were pretty slow, 243 range on that last/best team.
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(08-19-2019 11:35 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  We don't play Duke or Virginia. There are no comparable teams in the CAA. M-M and changing up defenses to increase possessions is key. There is also momentum/flow to consider which cannot easily be measured by analytics.


I was referring to the teams you said you had trouble with in the past but I agree I don't think you can change your team identity at that point.

There are many ways to win, especially if you have the talent relative to who you are playing. I just see slowing it down as the least problematic for teams that don't have as much talent or depth in general. Brownell's teams were pretty slow. 240 range on that last team.
Much different in BB's teams. They were a slow, grind it out, hard nosed , beat you up defensive team. Teams like that seldom
play fast on offense.
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(08-19-2019 11:35 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  We don't play Duke or Virginia. There are no comparable teams in the CAA. M-M and changing up defenses to increase possessions is key. There is also momentum/flow to consider which cannot easily be measured by analytics.


I was referring to the teams you said you had trouble with in the past but I agree I don't think you can change your team identity at that point.

There are many ways to win, especially if you have the talent relative to who you are playing to make it work. I just see slowing it down as the least problematic for teams that don't have as much talent or depth in general and to max what you got. Brownell's teams were pretty slow, 243 range on that last/best team.

Brownell's teams, if I remember correctly, were bigger and bruisers. We just don't have that type of roster to be successful like that right now. Additionally, the game has drastically changed. If those teams were on the court right now refs wouldn't stop blowing whistles. The game has changed to discourage slow play like that. Even back then it was whistle after whistle. Games were consistently in the 40-60 pt range for both the winner and the loser. Every game was a rock fight.
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(08-19-2019 11:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:35 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  We don't play Duke or Virginia. There are no comparable teams in the CAA. M-M and changing up defenses to increase possessions is key. There is also momentum/flow to consider which cannot easily be measured by analytics.


I was referring to the teams you said you had trouble with in the past but I agree I don't think you can change your team identity at that point.

There are many ways to win, especially if you have the talent relative to who you are playing. I just see slowing it down as the least problematic for teams that don't have as much talent or depth in general. Brownell's teams were pretty slow. 240 range on that last team.
Much different in BB's teams. They were a slow, grind it out, hard nosed , beat you up defensive team. Teams like that seldom
play fast on offense.

That's my point. That's the blueprint I personally like better for maxing talent. If you play hard defense you are expending a lot more energy as well and probably don't need to be trying to push the pace and gassing out more. The three point line is going to be farther out too that will add to the running and space to guard this year.

I'm really fascinated with Virginia's style. I think they do more with their talent relative their success than most anyone and they are always dead last in pace pretty much. They have highly efficient offenses and defenses and don't do it without any high level recruits yet they have a program just a dominate as Duke or Kentucky.

It probably actually hurts their recruiting in the aggregate but who cares if you are winning like they do with the players they get. If they ever do get some top 10 players good lord what can they do with them in that system. They have had #1 seed's with barely 3 top 100 players on the entire roster. That's nuts when you compare it.
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(08-19-2019 11:44 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:35 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  We don't play Duke or Virginia. There are no comparable teams in the CAA. M-M and changing up defenses to increase possessions is key. There is also momentum/flow to consider which cannot easily be measured by analytics.


I was referring to the teams you said you had trouble with in the past but I agree I don't think you can change your team identity at that point.

There are many ways to win, especially if you have the talent relative to who you are playing. I just see slowing it down as the least problematic for teams that don't have as much talent or depth in general. Brownell's teams were pretty slow. 240 range on that last team.
Much different in BB's teams. They were a slow, grind it out, hard nosed , beat you up defensive team. Teams like that seldom
play fast on offense.

That's my point. That's the blueprint I personally like better for maxing talent. If you play hard defense you are expending a lot more energy as well and probably don't need to be trying to push the pace and gassing out more. The three point line is going to be farther out too that will add to the running and space to guard this year.

I'm really fascinated with Virginia's style. I think they do more with their talent relative their success than most anyone and they are always dead last in pace pretty much. They have highly efficient offenses and defenses and don't do it without any high level recruits yet they have a program just a dominate as Duke or Kentucky.

It probably actually hurts their recruiting in the aggregate but who cares if you are winning like they do with the players they get. If they ever do get some top 10 players good lord what can they do with them in that system. They have had #1 seed's with barely 3 top 100 players on the entire roster. That's nuts when you compare it.
It worked well, but the game has changed a lot in the last 15 years. Players were allowed to be a lot more physical back then
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(08-19-2019 11:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  It worked well, but the game has changed a lot in the last 15 years. Players were allowed to be a lot more physical back then

I'm just talking about the benefits of playing slower in general like UVA. I don't think it would be bad for any team honestly. If you got a lot of talent relative to who you play on your schedule or say vs your conference playing uptempo isn't bad because you want to get them in leverage situations where you have more opportunity for your talent or your depth to win out much like Keats teams did. It just probably not going to do you any favors vs more talent or deep teams though in general. I think a playing slow style is always the best way to counter a more talented or deep team and frustrate them, but most recruits don't really like it so it's not without warts. It takes a different kind of player to want to sit on the ball.
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I agree that CB seems to be a slow learner when it comes to adjusting style of play. But the message I also got was that the players that walked away didn't buy into his system. With what he has this year being all his players, that can't be the excuse this year. I do know that the main emphasis in the practices so far is defense. And we will have mostly a 4 guard lineup.
As far as Italy goes, it was more of a cultural visit than serious basketball. it gave them a chance to play around with a few things and to bond more as a team. They had a pretty strong Professional team made up of grown azz men beaten and blew it. I'm hoping that was only due to experimenting with styles. I also hope they saw what style looks to be the best for this team. We won't know for sure if this team will succeed until the real games begin. Not sure if we will be able to tell much about this team in the Johnson & Wales and the UNC games. I expect to see results starting with Campbell and Davidson. I expect J&W to be too weak and UNC too strong. What I do expect to see out of the first two games is will we play down to the competition in the first game. And will we show grit and a never quit attitude in the second game. We will see plenty of UNC fans at that game. And we, as fans, need to let them know whose house it is.
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(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I agree that CB seems to be a slow learner when it comes to adjusting style of play. But the message I also got was that the players that walked away didn't buy into his system. With what he has this year being all his players, that can't be the excuse this year. I do know that the main emphasis in the practices so far is defense. And we will have mostly a 4 guard lineup.
As far as Italy goes, it was more of a cultural visit than serious basketball. it gave them a chance to play around with a few things and to bond more as a team. They had a pretty strong Professional team made up of grown azz men beaten and blew it. I'm hoping that was only due to experimenting with styles. I also hope they saw what style looks to be the best for this team. We won't know for sure if this team will succeed until the real games begin. Not sure if we will be able to tell much about this team in the Johnson & Wales and the UNC games. I expect to see results starting with Campbell and Davidson. I expect J&W to be too weak and UNC too strong. What I do expect to see out of the first two games is will we play down to the competition in the first game. And will we show grit and a never quit attitude in the second game. We will see plenty of UNC fans at that game. And we, as fans, need to let them know whose house it is.

Davidson is top 25 in several preseason polls I've seen. Probably a little generous but they do bring back about everyone.
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(08-19-2019 12:04 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I agree that CB seems to be a slow learner when it comes to adjusting style of play. But the message I also got was that the players that walked away didn't buy into his system. With what he has this year being all his players, that can't be the excuse this year. I do know that the main emphasis in the practices so far is defense. And we will have mostly a 4 guard lineup.
As far as Italy goes, it was more of a cultural visit than serious basketball. it gave them a chance to play around with a few things and to bond more as a team. They had a pretty strong Professional team made up of grown azz men beaten and blew it. I'm hoping that was only due to experimenting with styles. I also hope they saw what style looks to be the best for this team. We won't know for sure if this team will succeed until the real games begin. Not sure if we will be able to tell much about this team in the Johnson & Wales and the UNC games. I expect to see results starting with Campbell and Davidson. I expect J&W to be too weak and UNC too strong. What I do expect to see out of the first two games is will we play down to the competition in the first game. And will we show grit and a never quit attitude in the second game. We will see plenty of UNC fans at that game. And we, as fans, need to let them know whose house it is.

Davidson is top 25 in several preseason polls I've seen. Probably a little generous but they do bring back about everyone.

When we play Davidson, we will have already played a top ranked team, plus a couple games under our belt with so many new guys. I'm hoping to see some kind of jump in improvement against Davidson after competing with UNC.
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(08-19-2019 12:09 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:04 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I agree that CB seems to be a slow learner when it comes to adjusting style of play. But the message I also got was that the players that walked away didn't buy into his system. With what he has this year being all his players, that can't be the excuse this year. I do know that the main emphasis in the practices so far is defense. And we will have mostly a 4 guard lineup.
As far as Italy goes, it was more of a cultural visit than serious basketball. it gave them a chance to play around with a few things and to bond more as a team. They had a pretty strong Professional team made up of grown azz men beaten and blew it. I'm hoping that was only due to experimenting with styles. I also hope they saw what style looks to be the best for this team. We won't know for sure if this team will succeed until the real games begin. Not sure if we will be able to tell much about this team in the Johnson & Wales and the UNC games. I expect to see results starting with Campbell and Davidson. I expect J&W to be too weak and UNC too strong. What I do expect to see out of the first two games is will we play down to the competition in the first game. And will we show grit and a never quit attitude in the second game. We will see plenty of UNC fans at that game. And we, as fans, need to let them know whose house it is.

Davidson is top 25 in several preseason polls I've seen. Probably a little generous but they do bring back about everyone.

When we play Davidson, we will have already played a top ranked team, plus a couple games under our belt with so many new guys. I'm hoping to see some kind of jump in improvement against Davidson after competing with UNC.

The game last year was highly competitive. However, I'm with SJ on this one, they are going to be strong this year and it's going to be at their place. Last time we played a top 25 mid major on the road we lost by 40+. It was also right after we lost by 27 @ UNC. If we can compete with Davidson early in the season, we should have a team to be optimistic about.
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(08-19-2019 01:30 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:09 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:04 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I agree that CB seems to be a slow learner when it comes to adjusting style of play. But the message I also got was that the players that walked away didn't buy into his system. With what he has this year being all his players, that can't be the excuse this year. I do know that the main emphasis in the practices so far is defense. And we will have mostly a 4 guard lineup.
As far as Italy goes, it was more of a cultural visit than serious basketball. it gave them a chance to play around with a few things and to bond more as a team. They had a pretty strong Professional team made up of grown azz men beaten and blew it. I'm hoping that was only due to experimenting with styles. I also hope they saw what style looks to be the best for this team. We won't know for sure if this team will succeed until the real games begin. Not sure if we will be able to tell much about this team in the Johnson & Wales and the UNC games. I expect to see results starting with Campbell and Davidson. I expect J&W to be too weak and UNC too strong. What I do expect to see out of the first two games is will we play down to the competition in the first game. And will we show grit and a never quit attitude in the second game. We will see plenty of UNC fans at that game. And we, as fans, need to let them know whose house it is.

Davidson is top 25 in several preseason polls I've seen. Probably a little generous but they do bring back about everyone.

When we play Davidson, we will have already played a top ranked team, plus a couple games under our belt with so many new guys. I'm hoping to see some kind of jump in improvement against Davidson after competing with UNC.

The game last year was highly competitive. However, I'm with SJ on this one, they are going to be strong this year and it's going to be at their place. Last time we played a top 25 mid major on the road we lost by 40+. It was also right after we lost by 27 @ UNC. If we can compete with Davidson early in the season, we should have a team to be optimistic about.

That's my point. I'm hoping for a marked improvement on the court. Win or lose. I'm looking for confidence building from the UNC game. And from the Campbell game, who tends to always give us a fit, no matter how good we are.
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(08-19-2019 01:39 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 01:30 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:09 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:04 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I agree that CB seems to be a slow learner when it comes to adjusting style of play. But the message I also got was that the players that walked away didn't buy into his system. With what he has this year being all his players, that can't be the excuse this year. I do know that the main emphasis in the practices so far is defense. And we will have mostly a 4 guard lineup.
As far as Italy goes, it was more of a cultural visit than serious basketball. it gave them a chance to play around with a few things and to bond more as a team. They had a pretty strong Professional team made up of grown azz men beaten and blew it. I'm hoping that was only due to experimenting with styles. I also hope they saw what style looks to be the best for this team. We won't know for sure if this team will succeed until the real games begin. Not sure if we will be able to tell much about this team in the Johnson & Wales and the UNC games. I expect to see results starting with Campbell and Davidson. I expect J&W to be too weak and UNC too strong. What I do expect to see out of the first two games is will we play down to the competition in the first game. And will we show grit and a never quit attitude in the second game. We will see plenty of UNC fans at that game. And we, as fans, need to let them know whose house it is.

Davidson is top 25 in several preseason polls I've seen. Probably a little generous but they do bring back about everyone.

When we play Davidson, we will have already played a top ranked team, plus a couple games under our belt with so many new guys. I'm hoping to see some kind of jump in improvement against Davidson after competing with UNC.

The game last year was highly competitive. However, I'm with SJ on this one, they are going to be strong this year and it's going to be at their place. Last time we played a top 25 mid major on the road we lost by 40+. It was also right after we lost by 27 @ UNC. If we can compete with Davidson early in the season, we should have a team to be optimistic about.

And from the Campbell game, who tends to always give us a fit, no matter how good we are.
Clemmons is gone. that should drastically effect how this game goes IMO.
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Confidence building from the UNC game?
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(08-19-2019 10:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 10:04 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 09:40 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Basically more switching, more pressure and an emphasis on transition basketball so we try to stay out of 1/2 court basketball where defenses can set up.

Exactly. And the Lakers used Cacok in the exact same manner as Keatts did. It was beautiful to watch...both times.
So what is it, is it stubbornness to not adjust, or is it that he just doesn't recognize it. Both equally as bad but just curious as to your thoughts.
We only teach what we know. 3rd year HC.

Exactly. McGrath doesnt know anyway but the UNC way. That is standard among UNC coaching tree hires throughout college basketball and was my biggest concern with McGrath. Hopefully he will learn to be open to things outside of the box a la Wes Miller
As STILLJONESING alerted us to, EKU lead the country in possessions per game by pressing and recruiting players who can get up and down. I'll let you read A.W Hamilton (Keatts Protege) describe what they do:


"We want to play extremely fast and put pressure on the other team's defense," Hamilton said. "We want to push the tempo offensively. Make or miss, we want to run. On defense, we want to press. We want to trap. We want to cause havoc. The guys are going to be diving in the first row for loose balls. If you're sitting courtside, you've got to be ready. There's going to be balls flying all over the place. We're going to be trying to get our hands on balls and cause turnovers and deflections. We want to force 20 turnovers a game and get 50 deflections."

When Hamilton talks about playing fast, it isn't just "coach speak." It's a style of play that's ingrained in him.

"I'm not the kind of coach who says: "we're going to do this, we're going to do that. We're going to play up-tempo. We're going to press," Hamilton said. "I really mean it. This is how we're going to play. I played that way for Billy Hicks when I was in high school. I played that way for Kevin Keatts at Hargrave. When I played for Skip Prosser at Wake Forest, he played that way. It's an exciting style and I know the fans are going to love it."

Hamilton did offer a word of caution to Colonel fans.

"It's a style of play that takes time," he said. "There will be times of 'Oh my goodness, what is going on? Why did they get that wide-open three? How did they get this lay-up?' It's a process. Our fans are excited and we want to win, but we have to be patient. We've got a lot of new guys and, the guys we've got coming back, this is all brand-new to them too. We want to wear our opponents down with our pressure and force them into uncharacteristic shots. Our goal is to be the best conditioned team in the country and we know that doesn't happen overnight."

But then he added: "It will click. And when it does, it's going to be fun to watch. We need to get our scoreboard ready to get up to 100."
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(08-19-2019 02:37 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Confidence building from the UNC game?

Should I expect them to walk away deflated and give up on the season? Or should I expect them to get something positive out of playing a team loaded with bluechippers?
I will be there pulling for an upset. After all, that's why you play the game.
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