nole
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RE: ACC Network
Lou,
If my memory serves was the ACC had a bigger TV territory than the SEC.....that the ACC would have more households, but that the ACC wouldn't have the clout to get the same price per household.
So the ACC should have more TVs in theory, but not the per house $$$$ as the ACC.
I love seeing the growing #s for the ACCN.....but the REAL issue is how much money per household and what is that per year revenue.
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TexanMark
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RE: ACC Network
The problem with Charter is they are mid-contract with ESPN. Charter subscribers will have to vote with their feet.
Head off to one the streaming services and give Charter the finger on the way out.
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08-14-2019 09:40 PM |
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 09:40 PM)TexanMark Wrote: The problem with Charter is they are mid-contract with ESPN. Charter subscribers will have to vote with their feet.
Head off to one the streaming services and give Charter the finger on the way out.
Do you mean Comcast?
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ColKurtz
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 09:40 PM)TexanMark Wrote: The problem with Charter is they are mid-contract with ESPN. Charter subscribers will have to vote with their feet.
Head off to one the streaming services and give Charter the finger on the way out.
Looks like they agreed on a new deal for everything, including ACCN.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/d...al-1231651
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 09:49 PM)ColKurtz Wrote: (08-14-2019 09:40 PM)TexanMark Wrote: The problem with Charter is they are mid-contract with ESPN. Charter subscribers will have to vote with their feet.
Head off to one the streaming services and give Charter the finger on the way out.
Looks like they agreed on a new deal for everything, including ACCN.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/d...al-1231651
Yeeeeessssssssss!!!!!!
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 03:44 PM)Hallcity Wrote: (08-14-2019 02:06 PM)Lou_C Wrote: So Awful Announcing projects that, tiers pending, this puts the ACC at 36m homes. SEC at 59M and B1G at 55M.
Something doesn't seem to add up with that, as Comcast has 20M and Dish has 10M. It doesn't make sense that landing those two would put it ahead of the SECN because isn't the SECN on everywhere?
That said, the SECN's 59M might not have included Altice, which they actually weren't on (one of the few) until the last deal.
But if you assume the premise "SECN has universal carriage" then these numbers are sketchy somewhere.
I've read that the deals that the conference networks have made with carriers provide that at least 80% of the customer base must receive the conference network. That allows the carriers to sell a low cost, very basic package to its most cost conscious customers. That means that Spectrum signing a deal with the ACC doesn't mean that all of Spectrum's customers will get the ACC network. That would also be why SECN's total seem to be less than what you get by adding all the customers of all the carriers they've signed contracts with. Of course, that 80% number may or may not be what is specified for ACCN. That percentage may have been one of the items bargained over.
My brother in law got a DirecTV package without ESPN networks when he called to negotiate his bill
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 01:59 PM)TexanMark Wrote: I think this puts them over the tipping point that this has been a very good move by the conference
The devil is in the details...gotta find out what the net will be.
Dish will come real soon...then it is just Comcast and Cox.
Word on the main board is that Dish has cleared out channel space for ACCN beside SECN and Big 10 Network
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Hokie Mark
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 06:14 AM)solohawks Wrote: (08-14-2019 01:59 PM)TexanMark Wrote: I think this puts them over the tipping point that this has been a very good move by the conference
The devil is in the details...gotta find out what the net will be.
Dish will come real soon...then it is just Comcast and Cox.
Word on the main board is that Dish has cleared out channel space for ACCN beside SECN and Big 10 Network
Based on yesterday's poll, 75% of Charter customers were willing to switch providers if necessary in order to get the ACC Network - and Charter signed up. The only other provider with 75% willing to switch was Dish Network.
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 03:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (08-14-2019 03:44 PM)Hallcity Wrote: (08-14-2019 02:06 PM)Lou_C Wrote: So Awful Announcing projects that, tiers pending, this puts the ACC at 36m homes. SEC at 59M and B1G at 55M.
Something doesn't seem to add up with that, as Comcast has 20M and Dish has 10M. It doesn't make sense that landing those two would put it ahead of the SECN because isn't the SECN on everywhere?
That said, the SECN's 59M might not have included Altice, which they actually weren't on (one of the few) until the last deal.
But if you assume the premise "SECN has universal carriage" then these numbers are sketchy somewhere.
I've read that the deals that the conference networks have made with carriers provide that at least 80% of the customer base must receive the conference network. That allows the carriers to sell a low cost, very basic package to its most cost conscious customers. That means that Spectrum signing a deal with the ACC doesn't mean that all of Spectrum's customers will get the ACC network. That would also be why SECN's total seem to be less than what you get by adding all the customers of all the carriers they've signed contracts with. Of course, that 80% number may or may not be what is specified for ACCN. That percentage may have been one of the items bargained over.
That makes sense. So the 59M for the SECN is actual subscriptions, while the 36M for the ACCN is "available" subscriptions (the final number still TBD)...?
My count for video subscribers to services with ACCN contracts is 47 million, with larger carriers alone. Probably closer to 50 million with all the small systems. I'm guessing the 36 million being used is for those who will actually be subscribed day 1 assuming they remain on their current package for another week.
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Lou_C
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 03:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (08-14-2019 03:44 PM)Hallcity Wrote: (08-14-2019 02:06 PM)Lou_C Wrote: So Awful Announcing projects that, tiers pending, this puts the ACC at 36m homes. SEC at 59M and B1G at 55M.
Something doesn't seem to add up with that, as Comcast has 20M and Dish has 10M. It doesn't make sense that landing those two would put it ahead of the SECN because isn't the SECN on everywhere?
That said, the SECN's 59M might not have included Altice, which they actually weren't on (one of the few) until the last deal.
But if you assume the premise "SECN has universal carriage" then these numbers are sketchy somewhere.
I've read that the deals that the conference networks have made with carriers provide that at least 80% of the customer base must receive the conference network. That allows the carriers to sell a low cost, very basic package to its most cost conscious customers. That means that Spectrum signing a deal with the ACC doesn't mean that all of Spectrum's customers will get the ACC network. That would also be why SECN's total seem to be less than what you get by adding all the customers of all the carriers they've signed contracts with. Of course, that 80% number may or may not be what is specified for ACCN. That percentage may have been one of the items bargained over.
That makes sense. So the 59M for the SECN is actual subscriptions, while the 36M for the ACCN is "available" subscriptions (the final number still TBD)...?
I think this is the explanation. Right now the ACC households are being counted as if they all would have it. That 36M number is probably more like 30M. Which is still in the threshold of a successful launch, and there's still probably at least Dish to come. Comcast could be a tough nut.
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Lou_C
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RE: ACC Network
(08-14-2019 08:18 PM)nole Wrote: Lou,
If my memory serves was the ACC had a bigger TV territory than the SEC.....that the ACC would have more households, but that the ACC wouldn't have the clout to get the same price per household.
So the ACC should have more TVs in theory, but not the per house $$$$ as the ACC.
I love seeing the growing #s for the ACCN.....but the REAL issue is how much money per household and what is that per year revenue.
Agreed. I was never really worried about carriage, I always figured they would get carriage, because ESPN wouldn't be doing this, and had such a long lead up, if they didn't have a plan.
My concern was always that the plan might include having to sell it at a very low rate to get carriage though. Ironically, the fact that it hasn't been picked up easily by everyone gives me hope that they are trying to force SEC-like rates down the providers throats. I think that the fact that ESPN is packaging this in their overall deals, and not simply relying on demand for the ACC product, gives some hope to that direction.
If the ACC and ESPN were willing to take $0.25 a household, they'd be on Comcast and Dish yesterday. ESPN likes money just as much as the next guy, so you have to kind of hope that they're playing hardball about the rate and the ACC benefits in the end.
The good thing is we've passed the threshold at which the carriage numbers are not embarrassing (something that took the BTN years, and the PAC never did), so they can afford to take a tougher line with Comcast. Obviously, it would be horrible for Comcast not to be on board, but in the long run Comcast customers missing the football season will be worth it if it secures a richer deal eventually.
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nole
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 08:33 AM)Lou_C Wrote: (08-14-2019 08:18 PM)nole Wrote: Lou,
If my memory serves was the ACC had a bigger TV territory than the SEC.....that the ACC would have more households, but that the ACC wouldn't have the clout to get the same price per household.
So the ACC should have more TVs in theory, but not the per house $$$$ as the ACC.
I love seeing the growing #s for the ACCN.....but the REAL issue is how much money per household and what is that per year revenue.
Agreed. I was never really worried about carriage, I always figured they would get carriage, because ESPN wouldn't be doing this, and had such a long lead up, if they didn't have a plan.
My concern was always that the plan might include having to sell it at a very low rate to get carriage though. Ironically, the fact that it hasn't been picked up easily by everyone gives me hope that they are trying to force SEC-like rates down the providers throats. I think that the fact that ESPN is packaging this in their overall deals, and not simply relying on demand for the ACC product, gives some hope to that direction.
If the ACC and ESPN were willing to take $0.25 a household, they'd be on Comcast and Dish yesterday. ESPN likes money just as much as the next guy, so you have to kind of hope that they're playing hardball about the rate and the ACC benefits in the end.
The good thing is we've passed the threshold at which the carriage numbers are not embarrassing (something that took the BTN years, and the PAC never did), so they can afford to take a tougher line with Comcast. Obviously, it would be horrible for Comcast not to be on board, but in the long run Comcast customers missing the football season will be worth it if it secures a richer deal eventually.
I agree....I do have some concern of the first year projection of $1 Million. That is embarrassing. I was hoping for more like $8 million year one and then to $10-$15 million in year 2-3. The whole narrative behind the delay was that the ramp up would be quicker and easier than everyone else. So that should be the case.
I do like the original numbers but need to see Dish, Comcast, Cox, CenturyLink, & Fronteir have maybe 3 of those 5 jump in by 8/22 to feel solid.
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Shannon Panther
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RE: ACC Network
Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.
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ColKurtz
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 09:16 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote: Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.
Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.
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08-15-2019 10:48 AM |
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 10:48 AM)ColKurtz Wrote: Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.
They need to hurry and tell ESPN so they can update their web site.
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08-15-2019 10:50 AM |
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 10:48 AM)ColKurtz Wrote: (08-15-2019 09:16 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote: Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.
Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.
No, the thing in the Orange pkg is the old ACC Network Extra which only requires an ESPN subscription. It's my understanding that goes away the day the new ACCN launches; going forward you'll need an actual ACCN sub in order to authenticate with ACCNX. SlingTV has NOT announced that...
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 12:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (08-15-2019 10:48 AM)ColKurtz Wrote: (08-15-2019 09:16 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote: Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.
Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.
No, the thing in the Orange pkg is the old ACC Network Extra which only requires an ESPN subscription. It's my understanding that goes away the day the new ACCN launches; going forward you'll need an actual ACCN sub in order to authenticate with ACCNX. SlingTV has NOT announced that...
Looks like you're right. I was going off the below tweet from Sling. Not sure if they were confusing it with Accn+, or of something changed, but it indeed is not listed on Sling's site.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sling/status/...9035821065
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RE: ACC Network
I'm actually hoping Sling adds it to the $5 sports package add on, and not directly to the Orange $25 package. I like the $25 sweet spot and I would rather add the $5 extra, and have the option to drop it part of the year, than for Sling to head down the road of adding other channels that I don't care about and raising the base rate. YoutubeTV went from like $35 to $50 adding channels I don't care about. Would rather go with Sling Orange + Sports add on for $30 than have them go down that route.
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RE: ACC Network
Read this Fansided post from a doofus FSU fan who thinks the ACCN will be a complete failure -- solely because he's a Comcast customer and Comcast hasn't reached an agreement with ESPN yet but then he says it doesn't matter because the ACCN won't have any game he cares about anyway! It reminds me of the old joke about a woman complaining about the food in a restaurant who said "The food is just terrible -- and the portions are so small."
(This post was last modified: 08-15-2019 03:32 PM by Hallcity.)
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