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(08-11-2019 05:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  seeing Ryu cementing himself as the NL Cy Young favorite right now. 7 shutout innings so far. Looking to go to 12-2 with a 1.45 ERA. Guys with those numbers win the Cy Young about 100% of the time.


He did ok coming back from vacation.


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this has to be a new low for the Phillies this year.... Will Smith, yes, that Will Smith, with the big 2 run single in his first ever plate appearance. And then an impossible fielding play to start the 9th inning. 60-58 now with the loss.

You just wonder how much of a leash that Gabe Kapler is going to have.
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(08-11-2019 09:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this has to be a new low for the Phillies this year.... Will Smith, yes, that Will Smith, with the big 2 run single in his first ever plate appearance. And then an impossible fielding play to start the 9th inning. 60-58 now with the loss.

You just wonder how much of a leash that Gabe Kapler is going to have.

The NL is full of fake contenders. Does anyone really believe this Phillies team has any chance of winning anything? Same with the Brewers, Reds, Cardinals and Giants. Even the Mets. Yeah their rotation is great and they have a good lineup, but their pen is worse than the Nats. Giants fans don't seem to understand that the reason the team is hovering around .500 is because the NL is full of mediocre to bad teams who have spent the entire season beating up on each other. I think it's fair to say that the Yankees, Rays, Twins, Indians, Astros and A's are all better than every NL team except the Dodgers.
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(08-11-2019 05:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  it's remarkable how crap almost ALL of the NL bullpens are.

going to make the playoffs fun to watch. No lead is going to be safe.

Giants' Bullpen still pretty good though, right?
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Phillies overachieved last year the first half. They took this as a sign they were ready and spent a ton. They probably should have continued the rebuild this year, then went for it.


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(08-11-2019 06:28 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  it's remarkable how crap almost ALL of the NL bullpens are.

going to make the playoffs fun to watch. No lead is going to be safe.

As I said, the Nats didn't bother to do anything at the deadline and it's going to cost them.

Maybe, but Braves did something at the deadline and it's already cost them some wins and blown saves.

Shane Greene with DET (before trade) 0-2, 3Blown Saves, 1.18ERA
Shane Greene with Braves (since trade): 0-1, 2Blown Saves, 11.25ERA

Chris Martin with TEX (before trade) 0-2, 4Sv, 3.08ERA
Chris Martin with Braves (after trade): 0-1, 10.38ERA

Mark Melancon with Giants (before trade) 4-2, 1 Sv, 3.50ERA
Mark Melancon with Braves (after trade): 0-0, 3.96ERA


So, other than Melancon, who's only been a little worse than before Braves acquired him, the other tow have been pretty bad so far.

In fact, last night, in trying to gain a split of their series with the Marlins, Braves used, who? former;y deposed closer Luke Jackson in the 9th inning to get, what, a Save?! So the Braves went back to the old closer who they were not confident in and had to replace with three other guys they trade for, and now they are not confident in their newly traded for guys, so they go back to their 'he's not good enough' former closer.

Dodgers in a walk this year--go ahead and win your World Series, get ti over with already so other teams can have a chance.
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and yet....
NYY,TB,Min,Cle,Hou,Oak are 53-39 in interleague play
Atl,Cubs,Was,Stl,Mil,NYM,Phi,Ari, SF, Cin are 83-69 in interleague play

lots of bad teams in the AL inflate some of the teams records in the AL quite frankly.
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(08-12-2019 11:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and yet....
NYY,TB,Min,Cle,Hou,Oak are 53-39 in interleague play
Atl,Cubs,Was,Stl,Mil,NYM,Phi,Ari, SF, Cin are 83-69 in interleague play

lots of bad teams in the AL inflate some of the teams records in the AL quite frankly.

So those AL teams are better by 30 percentage points?
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(08-12-2019 01:34 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 11:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and yet....
NYY,TB,Min,Cle,Hou,Oak are 53-39 in interleague play
Atl,Cubs,Was,Stl,Mil,NYM,Phi,Ari, SF, Cin are 83-69 in interleague play

lots of bad teams in the AL inflate some of the teams records in the AL quite frankly.

So those AL teams are better by 30 percentage points?

you do understand that 30 points is literally just 1-2 games. It's absolutely no where the gap you want to portray. AL records are bloated because they get to play all the crap teams- 5 of the 6 worst teams in MLB this year are AL teams.
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(08-12-2019 10:56 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Shane Greene with DET (before trade) 0-2, 3Blown Saves, 1.18ERA
Shane Greene with Braves (since trade): 0-1, 2Blown Saves, 11.25ERA

Yeah, that's frightening. Dodgers went after Greene pretty hard for a while. Small sample size, and that's obviously not something you expect to sustain, but still... 04-jawdrop
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(08-11-2019 09:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this has to be a new low for the Phillies this year.... Will Smith, yes, that Will Smith, with the big 2 run single in his first ever plate appearance. And then an impossible fielding play to start the 9th inning. 60-58 now with the loss.

You just wonder how much of a leash that Gabe Kapler is going to have.

It's a good question. GMs (and team presidents) don't often fall on their swords for personnel problems, and more importantly I think it's fair to say their offseason acquisitions, while pricey, weren't bad. On the other hand a big portion of his very talented team is underperforming last years' stats. Kapler's not going anywhere this year unless something nuts happens but next year I assume his seat will be hot from day one.
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(08-12-2019 01:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:34 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 11:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and yet....
NYY,TB,Min,Cle,Hou,Oak are 53-39 in interleague play
Atl,Cubs,Was,Stl,Mil,NYM,Phi,Ari, SF, Cin are 83-69 in interleague play

lots of bad teams in the AL inflate some of the teams records in the AL quite frankly.

So those AL teams are better by 30 percentage points?

you do understand that 30 points is literally just 1-2 games. It's absolutely no where the gap you want to portray. AL records are bloated because they get to play all the crap teams- 5 of the 6 worst teams in MLB this year are AL teams.

That's all well and good, but it's pretty clear that most of these top AL rosters are better than a lot of their NL counterparts. I don't care what the Cardinals interleague record is; they're clearly not much of a team. The Yankees, Indians, Astros and Indians are all clearly above every non-Dodgers NL team.
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(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:34 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 11:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and yet....
NYY,TB,Min,Cle,Hou,Oak are 53-39 in interleague play
Atl,Cubs,Was,Stl,Mil,NYM,Phi,Ari, SF, Cin are 83-69 in interleague play

lots of bad teams in the AL inflate some of the teams records in the AL quite frankly.

So those AL teams are better by 30 percentage points?

you do understand that 30 points is literally just 1-2 games. It's absolutely no where the gap you want to portray. AL records are bloated because they get to play all the crap teams- 5 of the 6 worst teams in MLB this year are AL teams.

That's all well and good, but it's pretty clear that most of these top AL rosters are better than a lot of their NL counterparts. I don't care what the Cardinals interleague record is; they're clearly not much of a team. The Yankees, Indians, Astros and Indians are all clearly above every non-Dodgers NL team.

The Indians(who you have listed twice) are exactly 21-25 vs winning teams this year... Yeah that's great. Color me unimpressed. Oh, and if you meant Minnesota or Tampa Bay- they too are sub .500 vs winning teams. That's hardly clearly much above any non Dodgers NL team. That's being a bully vs Crap teams.
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(08-12-2019 03:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:34 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 11:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and yet....
NYY,TB,Min,Cle,Hou,Oak are 53-39 in interleague play
Atl,Cubs,Was,Stl,Mil,NYM,Phi,Ari, SF, Cin are 83-69 in interleague play

lots of bad teams in the AL inflate some of the teams records in the AL quite frankly.

So those AL teams are better by 30 percentage points?

you do understand that 30 points is literally just 1-2 games. It's absolutely no where the gap you want to portray. AL records are bloated because they get to play all the crap teams- 5 of the 6 worst teams in MLB this year are AL teams.

That's all well and good, but it's pretty clear that most of these top AL rosters are better than a lot of their NL counterparts. I don't care what the Cardinals interleague record is; they're clearly not much of a team. The Yankees, Indians, Astros and Indians are all clearly above every non-Dodgers NL team.

The Indians(who you have listed twice) are exactly 21-25 vs winning teams this year... Yeah that's great. Color me unimpressed. Oh, and if you meant Minnesota or Tampa Bay- they too are sub .500 vs winning teams. That's hardly clearly much above any non Dodgers NL team. That's being a bully vs Crap teams.

Perhaps the reason there are several teams in the AL with bad W-L records is that a group of 5 or 6 has separated themselves from the rest of the AL, while in the NL the gap of separation is between the Dodgers and everyone else with a big pack of roughly even teams in the group behind the Dodgers.
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(08-12-2019 05:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 03:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:34 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  So those AL teams are better by 30 percentage points?

you do understand that 30 points is literally just 1-2 games. It's absolutely no where the gap you want to portray. AL records are bloated because they get to play all the crap teams- 5 of the 6 worst teams in MLB this year are AL teams.

That's all well and good, but it's pretty clear that most of these top AL rosters are better than a lot of their NL counterparts. I don't care what the Cardinals interleague record is; they're clearly not much of a team. The Yankees, Indians, Astros and Indians are all clearly above every non-Dodgers NL team.

The Indians(who you have listed twice) are exactly 21-25 vs winning teams this year... Yeah that's great. Color me unimpressed. Oh, and if you meant Minnesota or Tampa Bay- they too are sub .500 vs winning teams. That's hardly clearly much above any non Dodgers NL team. That's being a bully vs Crap teams.

Perhaps the reason there are several teams in the AL with bad W-L records is that a group of 5 or 6 has separated themselves from the rest of the AL, while in the NL the gap of separation is between the Dodgers and everyone else with a big pack of roughly even teams in the group behind the Dodgers.

Or that those teams just suck big time.
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saw just like I predicted the Nats are going to be signing Greg Holland to a minor league deal.... Great move for them IMO- no harm in it and can really only help.
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(08-12-2019 09:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw just like I predicted the Nats are going to be signing Greg Holland to a minor league deal.... Great move for them IMO- no harm in it and can really only help.

Same thing Giants fans said when we picked up Barraclough
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If anyone needs a back up catcher, Rockies es are going to DFA Ianetta today or tomorrow.


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(08-12-2019 02:09 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 10:56 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Shane Greene with DET (before trade) 0-2, 3Blown Saves, 1.18ERA
Shane Greene with Braves (since trade): 0-1, 2Blown Saves, 11.25ERA

Yeah, that's frightening. Dodgers went after Greene pretty hard for a while. Small sample size, and that's obviously not something you expect to sustain, but still... 04-jawdrop

So, making trades, especially for Bullpen help mid-season, is no guarantee. Almost all the teams have/had bullpen concerns, at least in NL, but some will get right before/during the playoffs on their own, and some will not. here's hoping Braves' guys will come back to their mean performances.

Also, I believe I hheard that Braves manager Brian Snitker has re-designated Melancon as Braves new closer of the moment, since Greene has been terrible with us so far. heard that before trade deadline, Braves had 4th best BP in NL at around a 4.00ERA and in the 33 innings after trade deadline Braves bullpen is now rated 13th in NL with about a 6.5ERA.

Other than Kan'tchel, Braves starters have picked up slack, and their hitting has been the difference between falling completely apart as a team. But on nights an opponent starter can shut us down offensively, they can win easily. Which is why a team like the Metz (playing Braves tonight for 3) scares me in any short series. Mostly, other than early-season add Anthony Swarzak, Braves trades/in-season acquisitions have been not worth either the money of the effort. Kant'chel in particular was so far a terrible waste of a signing. Should have signed Kimbrel instead.
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(08-12-2019 02:38 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  That's all well and good, but it's pretty clear that most of these top AL rosters are better than a lot of their NL counterparts. I don't care what the Cardinals interleague record is; they're clearly not much of a team. The Yankees, Indians, Astros and Indians are all clearly above every non-Dodgers NL team.

Wow--really saying something about an NL team when both Indians' teams are better than you! 03-wink
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