(08-06-2019 09:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 09:55 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 04:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 06:29 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Just another thought. ESPN may not bid on it. If it folds, new bowl request can be submitted for another location. Allowing ACC and/or SEC to join the new bowl since they did not use all available tie-ins slots. If PAC 12 holds at seven, they could as well be available.

I agree with you and since the Texas Rangers have gone public with wanting to Host a College Bowl game I can see the Indy Bowl (Or another for that matter to move to their new baseball stadium)

When Globe Life Field opens in 2020, the Texas Rangers want in the college football party. Club president Rob Matwick said on Monday that the Rangers are interested in joining the bowl season.

Link
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt...88819.html

This one’s a no brainer. The Frisco Bowl or First Responders Bowl or both will move to Globe Life Field.

I think Frisco should stay where it is. This bowl will never draw 50k so better to keep it in a more intimate 30k stadium.

Frisco is more like 20K—but yeah—that’s more than enough for for two 6-6 G5 in a junk bowl made for TV game. As for the Indy Bowl—I cant imagine it making much sense to move a fifth bowl to a Metroplex that’s not doing a very good job of filling the four bowls it already has. I could see the First Responders maybe moving to the venue...that might make sense.

I don’t get why playing in a baseball field is so great. It is so awkward to see even on TV.

(08-06-2019 09:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 09:55 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 04:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 06:29 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Just another thought. ESPN may not bid on it. If it folds, new bowl request can be submitted for another location. Allowing ACC and/or SEC to join the new bowl since they did not use all available tie-ins slots. If PAC 12 holds at seven, they could as well be available.

I agree with you and since the Texas Rangers have gone public with wanting to Host a College Bowl game I can see the Indy Bowl (Or another for that matter to move to their new baseball stadium)

When Globe Life Field opens in 2020, the Texas Rangers want in the college football party. Club president Rob Matwick said on Monday that the Rangers are interested in joining the bowl season.

Link
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt...88819.html

This one’s a no brainer. The Frisco Bowl or First Responders Bowl or both will move to Globe Life Field.

I think Frisco should stay where it is. This bowl will never draw 50k so better to keep it in a more intimate 30k stadium.

Globe Life Field will probably only seat around 35K for a football game. The venue makes sense for moving the Frisco from the standpoint of taking out weather as a factor and moving the First Responder from the standpoint that there's no reason to be playing a game that will draw 30K at best in a 90K stadium.

(08-07-2019 09:51 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I don’t get why playing in a baseball field is so great. It is so awkward to see even on TV.

In the case of these bowls, it takes weather out of the equation. Something that can be very volatile in DFW during December & January.

(08-03-2019 04:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 06:29 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Just another thought. ESPN may not bid on it. If it folds, new bowl request can be submitted for another location. Allowing ACC and/or SEC to join the new bowl since they did not use all available tie-ins slots. If PAC 12 holds at seven, they could as well be available.

I agree with you and since the Texas Rangers have gone public with wanting to Host a College Bowl game I can see the Indy Bowl (Or another for that matter to move to their new baseball stadium)

When Globe Life Field opens in 2020, the Texas Rangers want in the college football party. Club president Rob Matwick said on Monday that the Rangers are interested in joining the bowl season.

Link
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt...88819.html

Move the Frisco Bowl there. It started in a baseball stadium when the AAC headed it up.

The 2019 Walk-On’s Independence Bowl will be the third and final game with Walk-On’s Bistreaux & Bar as the title sponsor.

link
https://www.arklatexhomepage.com/news/lo...ence-bowl/

(08-10-2019 12:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The 2019 Walk-On’s Independence Bowl will be the third and final game with Walk-On’s Bistreaux & Bar as the title sponsor.

link
https://www.arklatexhomepage.com/news/lo...ence-bowl/

The announcement must be getting close. The word has been out for a while that the "Walk On's" sponsorship would be done if there was no P5 tie. Yet another strong indicator that there will be no P5 tie for the Indy Bowl.

(08-10-2019 12:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2019 12:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The 2019 Walk-On’s Independence Bowl will be the third and final game with Walk-On’s Bistreaux & Bar as the title sponsor.

link
https://www.arklatexhomepage.com/news/lo...ence-bowl/

The announcement must be getting close. The word has been out for a while that the "Walk On's" sponsorship would be done if there was no P5 tie. Yet another strong indicator that there will be no P5 tie for the Indy Bowl.

The longer it goes, the more I think Indy goes the way of Poinsettia in 2020. Other areas are wanting bowl games. Could see Austin, Charleston, Greenville, NC, Atlanta (Ga State), etc... Makes sense to see how many teams are available after this bowl season that don't get in. ESPN needs to be in no hurry to buy or create a new bowl.

C-USA and the Sun Belt are the only G5 conferences yet to announce their bowl ties, so I guess it is safe to say they will get the I Bowl.

(08-10-2019 01:39 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The longer it goes, the more I think Indy goes the way of Poinsettia in 2020. Other areas are wanting bowl games. Could see Austin, Charleston, Greenville, NC, Atlanta (Ga State), etc... Makes sense to see how many teams are available after this bowl season that don't get in. ESPN needs to be in no hurry to buy or create a new bowl.

Given that Georgia Tech just finished it's own ACCN $10m broadcast studio, it would actually be cheaper to hold the game in Bobby Dodd since all the production equipment is already there. And it has actual football sight lines instead of baseball ones. I am not sure where you could fit a bowl game in Greenville. Furman? You'd probably want for Paladin Stadium to hold more than it does now for that though. And Paladin Stadium would be an absolute traffic implosion if you got 30,000 people to attend it. Aside from US-25, I think it's all two lane roads around Paladin Stadium. The location is right, don't get me wrong. I just don't think there's a satisfactory venue. And Clemson is about an hour away and very much not Greenville.

Yeah, despite being located in Greenville, Furman seems kind of rural. Accidentally drove by it last year and it kind of popped up out of nowhere.

(08-10-2019 01:39 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(08-10-2019 12:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2019 12:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The 2019 Walk-On’s Independence Bowl will be the third and final game with Walk-On’s Bistreaux & Bar as the title sponsor.

link
https://www.arklatexhomepage.com/news/lo...ence-bowl/

The announcement must be getting close. The word has been out for a while that the "Walk On's" sponsorship would be done if there was no P5 tie. Yet another strong indicator that there will be no P5 tie for the Indy Bowl.

The longer it goes, the more I think Indy goes the way of Poinsettia in 2020. Other areas are wanting bowl games. Could see Austin, Charleston, Greenville, NC, Atlanta (Ga State), etc... Makes sense to see how many teams are available after this bowl season that don't get in. ESPN needs to be in no hurry to buy or create a new bowl.

Doubt it happens in Charleston, since there isn't a stadium with enough capacity.

ODU is my choice to get a new G5 Bowl game. Heck...The ACC #9-11 could be involved.

I'm not sure if either Shreveport of Mobile are going to make it.

(08-10-2019 05:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I'm not sure if either Shreveport of Mobile are going to make it.

Mobile will be fine. They have done a good job of creating their own niche in the bowl world. Thier expenses are in line with what they are and they get good local support. Mobile doesn't need P5 ties to survive. Frankly, the Indy would do very well as a premier G5 game. But because they waited too long trying to get a P5 tie. Lets be honest, a Pac12 tie wasnt really going to help them anyway. I doubt Pac12 fans were going to show up big in Shreveport. No the Indy Bowl has to figure out a way to survive the next 6 years as a bottom of the barrel scrub game before they can try to reinvent themselves as a premier G5 bowl game. Im not sure if they can make it 6 years or not.

Right combo of C-USA /Sun Belt bowl will be fine
Leave provisions for Army, or any body else who pops up

(08-10-2019 04:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Yeah, despite being located in Greenville, Furman seems kind of rural. Accidentally drove by it last year and it kind of popped up out of nowhere.

Looked it up on maps .... US-25 will suffice for traffic heading SW particularly down I-85 and NE particularly up I-26. They'd still have to do major traffic enforcement to deal with traffic up from Greenville which will heavily come on 276 through Cherrydale. It probably makes more sense to shut down the Old Buncombe Rd exit and force all traffic through the main gates at Furman. I'll revise my statement to "plausible, but painful." If you can shut down campus too you solve most of the parking problem.

As for Paladin Stadium itself .... capacity 16,000 and a ye olde split level concrete/bleacher into a hill. Just insufficient in every way for a bowl game. If you could convince Furman to chip in some money ... and get the MLS affiliate that uses Furman's stadium to chip in some money ... and add maybe the Greenville CVB and/or GSP Airport Authority and/or SC state tourism tax dollars (the horror of Horry County having to share....) and/or a sponsorship gift from BMW and you've probably got enough in that pool to build a reasonably nice and accomodating 30k seat stadium. One that I hope has a great view of the beautiful area, because I would sure go to that bowl game if it were in such a setting.

It's possible. But it has some challenges that must be solved when other candidate cities with turn key venues. It could happen, but it would take probably ESPN or some faction(s) of government to make it happen. I just don't see Furman up and getting a new football venue like that as a small private all by themselves. Especially when their hoops team has the mojo right now and their home court is preposterously bad. Compared to rival Wofford's new arena, it looks even worse.

I don't think there are any other more suitable venues in the region. Wofford's football stadium is similarly ill equipped though it does have very nice locker rooms to accommodate the Carolina Panthers for training camp. And downtown Spartanburg is several standard deviations worse a setting for a bowl game in just about every quantifiable way. Your next best option is Furman's old stadium they shared with a high school -- Sirrine Stadium. It is an even bigger undertaking to bring up to spec than Paladin Stadium as well.

I'm not going to a bowl game in Mayberry
Barney Fife is not gonna be able to handle all that traffic
2 parked cars sends him over the top

(08-10-2019 05:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2019 05:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I'm not sure if either Shreveport of Mobile are going to make it.

Mobile will be fine. They have done a good job of creating their own niche in the bowl world. Thier expenses are in line with what they are and they get good local support. Mobile doesn't need P5 ties to survive. Frankly, the Indy would do very well as a premier G5 game. But because they waited too long trying to get a P5 tie. Lets be honest, a Pac12 tie wasnt really going to help them anyway. I doubt Pac12 fans were going to show up big in Shreveport. No the Indy Bowl has to figure out a way to survive the next 6 years as a bottom of the barrel scrub game before they can try to reinvent themselves as a premier G5 bowl game. Im not sure if they can make it 6 years or not.

Mobile doesn't have a title sponsor. Neither them or Shreveport have shown up in the official bowl pool release for the AAC, MWC or MAC.

I don't know if at the end of the day we might see a city move for one of these games to land a title sponsor.

Shreveport (49k) to Little Rock (54k)
Mobile (25k) to San Marcos (30k)

Upgraded venues and recruiting markets.

Independence Bowl at War Memorial Stadium would make a healthy addition to the AAC bowl pool.

San Marcos could make a good CUSA/SBC game with all the Texas area programs.

(08-10-2019 09:37 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Right combo of C-USA /Sun Belt bowl will be fine
Leave provisions for Army, or any body else who pops up

Is it against NCAA rules to have a casino owner as sponsor? Is Sunbelt champion still tied to New Orleans? This could do well pitting the best western C-USA and Sunbelt teams, which may in some years be champion versus champion.