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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
Ratings aren’t equal. Again nothing on fs1 rates well. I don’t think comparing ratings 1 to 1 from espn to fs1 is an accurate or reliable way to project value. More to the point, the big east definitely still has them over the barrel to a large extent. The pac 12 gives them basically nothing. A few games a week late at night between teams no one cares about. Likewise the big ten only gives them a few games a week.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 02:59 PM)scoscox Wrote: Ratings aren’t equal. Again nothing on fs1 rates well. I don’t think comparing ratings 1 to 1 from espn to fs1 is an accurate or reliable way to project value. More to the point, the big east definitely still has them over the barrel to a large extent. The pac 12 gives them basically nothing. A few games a week late at night between teams no one cares about. Likewise the big ten only gives them a few games a week.
Ad rates basically are equal. The cost to reach 250K viewers is basically the same on ESPN as it is on FOX. So--no reason for advertisers to pay a premium---thus there is no reason for FOX to pay the Big East a premium. FOX has more than enough inventory to keep FS-1 viable. As for having FOX "over a barrel"----every P5 will be coming up for bid before the current Big East deal runs out. FOX will have plenty of options. Again, Im not saying FOX is looking to dump the Big East. They just arent going to pay a premium over market value. They dont have to pay enough to get the Big East to go out on their own in order to avoid the ESPN right to match clause. They dont have to fill up an empty network. They dont have to scratch and claw to find eastern/central time zone content. They have Big12 and Big10 content to fill those slots. FOX is simply not in the same desperate position it was in 2012.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 09:03 AM)wavefan12 Wrote: The issue is not about geography, it is whether risking ur Fball program is worth a better fit in Bball. More specifically, the long term ramifications of such a move. I personally think it is not in the best interest of Uconn and the leadership quit to take the heat off of their own poor choices. That being said, it is a tough analysis as even the new BE is a much better fit for Uconn bball. I just believe that UConn is still a great fit for the ACC or even B10, which is where the really money is, but this move has a hugely negative effect on the chances of moving up.
Unfortunately, all indications are that the ACC and the B1G don't think that UConn's a great fit, and at a certain point UConn needs to start living in reality. At this point it's looking like any sort of "move up" would be joining with the Big 12 leftovers in a half-decade, and not only is UConn not a sure-fire in in that scenario due to the awful geography (and that scenario is looking unlikely as well), but there's the very real question of how much UConn wants their terminal conference to be a Midwestern-based league that's not likely to have overwhelming revenue streams. Eventually just doing the obvious thing - playing the schools you like playing who are good at the sport you're good at and focusing there - makes sense.
I also don't buy that this move significantly hurts UConn's position in realignment (not that I'm interested in further moves, I hope the UConn stays in the Big East, and the Big East remains a major basketball conference, long-term). Overwhelming football success was never going to be UConn's ticket anywhere, it was always going to be a decent-enough football team with a motivated fan base primarily driven by basketball success.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
UConn is only the third team this millennium to become an Independent by choice (fourth if you count UMass leaving the MAC). As we move away from the stupid cable package-driven realignment of yesteryear, we will see more teams taking control of their own content and getting it out there.
UConn will survive. Only Idaho dropped out of FBS and UConn has a much more invested athletic department.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 04:20 PM)esayem Wrote: UConn is only the third team this millennium to become an Independent by choice (fourth if you count UMass leaving the MAC). As we move away from the stupid cable package-driven realignment of yesteryear, we will see more teams taking control of their own content and getting it out there.
UConn will survive. Only Idaho dropped out of FBS and UConn has a much more invested athletic department.
If UConn, UMass, and Liberty all make a manageable go of things as independents and Army doesn't join a conference (and toss NMSt in the mix too if you'd like) there may be an inflection point a few years out where things get interesting for the rumored move-ups and CUSA/SB teams that aren't thrilled with their current travel arrangements. I could see, say, ODU and Charlotte preferring A-10 basketball/Olympics to their current arrangement, or JMU looking at things a little differently if they can keep their other sports in their current home and walk into a certain number of home/away games as an independent move-up.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
think the thing that's holding teams away from going independent quite frankly is the CFP money. For some programs it's huge.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 05:49 PM)stever20 Wrote: think the thing that's holding teams away from going independent quite frankly is the CFP money. For some programs it's huge.
How much is CUSA distributing to its members (I honestly don't know)? If the AAC, with a better TV contract, better bowl lineup, and access bowl money is doing around $5 million and change then I can't imagine CUSA is doing significantly more than $2-3 million. That's the kind of money you can make up on travel and an extra buy game.
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Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 05:59 PM)Bogg Wrote: (08-10-2019 05:49 PM)stever20 Wrote: think the thing that's holding teams away from going independent quite frankly is the CFP money. For some programs it's huge.
How much is CUSA distributing to its members (I honestly don't know)? If the AAC, with a better TV contract, better bowl lineup, and access bowl money is doing around $5 million and change then I can't imagine CUSA is doing significantly more than $2-3 million. That's the kind of money you can make up on travel and an extra buy game.
It was around 2-3 in 2016 with UAB’s rebirthing program as a 1mm outlier.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...06_990.pdf
That’s the most recent year I saw on this site.
The tv deal for all schools was between 2-3m
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 03:56 PM)Bogg Wrote: Unfortunately, all indications are that the ACC and the B1G don't think that UConn's a great fit, and at a certain point UConn needs to start living in reality. At this point it's looking like any sort of "move up" would be joining with the Big 12 leftovers in a half-decade...
The Big 12 likely made it clear that this wasn't happening. There are at least eight other schools ahead of UConn on the Big 12 speed dial**, and it was time to move on.
** As in BYU, UCF, USF, Colorado State, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, or Air Force.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 05:44 PM)Bogg Wrote: (08-10-2019 04:20 PM)esayem Wrote: UConn is only the third team this millennium to become an Independent by choice (fourth if you count UMass leaving the MAC). As we move away from the stupid cable package-driven realignment of yesteryear, we will see more teams taking control of their own content and getting it out there.
UConn will survive. Only Idaho dropped out of FBS and UConn has a much more invested athletic department.
If UConn, UMass, and Liberty all make a manageable go of things as independents and Army doesn't join a conference (and toss NMSt in the mix too if you'd like) there may be an inflection point a few years out where things get interesting for the rumored move-ups and CUSA/SB teams that aren't thrilled with their current travel arrangements. I could see, say, ODU and Charlotte preferring A-10 basketball/Olympics to their current arrangement, or JMU looking at things a little differently if they can keep their other sports in their current home and walk into a certain number of home/away games as an independent move-up.
This is actually not too far-fetched a scenario. I could see it.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 06:25 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote: (08-10-2019 03:56 PM)Bogg Wrote: Unfortunately, all indications are that the ACC and the B1G don't think that UConn's a great fit, and at a certain point UConn needs to start living in reality. At this point it's looking like any sort of "move up" would be joining with the Big 12 leftovers in a half-decade...
The Big 12 likely made it clear that this wasn't happening. There are at least eight other schools ahead of UConn on the Big 12 speed dial**, and it was time to move on.
** As in BYU, UCF, USF, Colorado State, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, or Air Force.
Agree fully.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
That was horse & pony show
Air Force, Tulane, Rice
Does anybody really believe B-12 was considering these schools
As smart as Rice is, I can't believe they even filled out paper work
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 09:00 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: That was horse & pony show
Air Force, Tulane, Rice
Does anybody really believe B-12 was considering these schools
As smart as Rice is, I can't believe they even filled out paper work
When the Big XII first lost schools, they approached three programs as their top choices. They were Arkansas, Pitt, and Air Force.
Texas and Rice work very well together, and have since the SWC dissolved.
Yes, the conference would consider them. How you get along with the group and how you fit is as much a part of it. If you’re Rice, you aren’t taking kids away from Oklahoma...you can work with that better than others who are just chomping at the bit to sit at the same line as you to take from them.
Don’t disagree about some others, like Colorado State, getting better play over others as a sign the thing was a work from the start, though.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 03:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: FOX is simply not in the same desperate position it was in 2012.
The only thing that’s changed is that they picked up some big ten content. That’s the only difference between then and now. I don’t think that’s really changed the calculus much.
Believe what you want. We disagree
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 08:32 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: (08-10-2019 06:25 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote: (08-10-2019 03:56 PM)Bogg Wrote: Unfortunately, all indications are that the ACC and the B1G don't think that UConn's a great fit, and at a certain point UConn needs to start living in reality. At this point it's looking like any sort of "move up" would be joining with the Big 12 leftovers in a half-decade...
The Big 12 likely made it clear that this wasn't happening. There are at least eight other schools ahead of UConn on the Big 12 speed dial**, and it was time to move on.
** As in BYU, UCF, USF, Colorado State, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, or Air Force.
Agree fully.
Well we know Memphis wasn’t one. UConn was one of the final 11, Memphis was not.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-10-2019 09:43 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: (08-10-2019 09:00 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: That was horse & pony show
Air Force, Tulane, Rice
Does anybody really believe B-12 was considering these schools
As smart as Rice is, I can't believe they even filled out paper work
When the Big XII first lost schools, they approached three programs as their top choices. They were Arkansas, Pitt, and Air Force.
Texas and Rice work very well together, and have since the SWC dissolved.
Yes, the conference would consider them. How you get along with the group and how you fit is as much a part of it. If you’re Rice, you aren’t taking kids away from Oklahoma...you can work with that better than others who are just chomping at the bit to sit at the same line as you to take from them.
Don’t disagree about some others, like Colorado State, getting better play over others as a sign the thing was a work from the start, though.
I thought the first call went to Arkansas and Notre Dame. Then BYU and Air Force (which is what I campaigned for), then TAMU and Missouri left and the bottom fell out.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 12:43 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: (08-08-2019 12:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (08-08-2019 11:38 AM)Bogg Wrote: (08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote: If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved
Basketball gives UConn more national exposure than football ever will. Maximizing basketball and getting them back in the tournament is the best way to maintain UConn's brand.
I don't know about that buddy, The Bottom 10 get a ton of exposure during the season.
We at Rice count on that.
The exposure works if you aren't a directional Michigan school or a F_U.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-11-2019 12:14 AM)esayem Wrote: (08-10-2019 08:32 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: (08-10-2019 06:25 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote: (08-10-2019 03:56 PM)Bogg Wrote: Unfortunately, all indications are that the ACC and the B1G don't think that UConn's a great fit, and at a certain point UConn needs to start living in reality. At this point it's looking like any sort of "move up" would be joining with the Big 12 leftovers in a half-decade...
The Big 12 likely made it clear that this wasn't happening. There are at least eight other schools ahead of UConn on the Big 12 speed dial**, and it was time to move on.
** As in BYU, UCF, USF, Colorado State, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, or Air Force.
Agree fully.
Well we know Memphis wasn’t one. UConn was one of the final 11, Memphis was not.
That was true at the time. However, I interpreted DWF Hoya's phrasing to suggest that Memphis in the future will be, hypothetically, a better choice for a new-look Big 12 than UConn would have been had it stayed in the AAC. And that would be, in part, because Memphis the past few years has been improving significantly in both football and academics (admittedly, it had lots of room for improvement because both were mediocre at best).
UConn made the right move to head to the Big East and hope that the ranks of Division I-A independent football programs continue to slowly grow (which I think they might). If there is a "new look" Big 12 in the future, it will likely include a few leftovers from the Big 12 and then some adds from the Mountain West and the AAC. It's doubtful UConn would have an interest in such a league (or that such a league would have much interest in UConn).
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-11-2019 07:52 AM)bill dazzle Wrote: (08-11-2019 12:14 AM)esayem Wrote: (08-10-2019 08:32 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: (08-10-2019 06:25 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote: (08-10-2019 03:56 PM)Bogg Wrote: Unfortunately, all indications are that the ACC and the B1G don't think that UConn's a great fit, and at a certain point UConn needs to start living in reality. At this point it's looking like any sort of "move up" would be joining with the Big 12 leftovers in a half-decade...
The Big 12 likely made it clear that this wasn't happening. There are at least eight other schools ahead of UConn on the Big 12 speed dial**, and it was time to move on.
** As in BYU, UCF, USF, Colorado State, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, or Air Force.
Agree fully.
Well we know Memphis wasn’t one. UConn was one of the final 11, Memphis was not.
That was true at the time. However, I interpreted DWF Hoya's phrasing to suggest that Memphis in the future will be, hypothetically, a better choice for a new-look Big 12 than UConn would have been had it stayed in the AAC. And that would be, in part, because Memphis the past few years has been improving significantly in both football and academics (admittedly, it had lots of room for improvement because both were mediocre at best).
UConn made the right move to head to the Big East and hope that the ranks of Division I-A independent football programs continue to slowly grow (which I think they might). If there is a "new look" Big 12 in the future, it will likely include a few leftovers from the Big 12 and then some adds from the Mountain West and the AAC. It's doubtful UConn would have an interest in such a league (or that such a league would have much interest in UConn).
Tulane was the first call when Arkansas left the SWC. They couldn’t get enough votes.
Louisville and Memphis were pushed by the commissioner, but Texas and co. probably made up their mind to join the Big 8 at that point.
Louisville, Memphis, and Tulane were the first call by the SWC leftovers. Louisville didn’t have interest, but Memphis and Tulane went to the meetings.
Anyway, I assumed Memphis would be on the Big XII’s short list, especially due to their location. Having UConn and schools in FLA ahead of them definitely proves the Big XII is open to the east coast.
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