(08-07-2019 04:31 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 07:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 10:22 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 06:22 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  you clearly do not understand the relationship between uH and UT

the only thing uH would do in the Big 12 with UT there is serve to be a divisive force and attempt to be a thorn in the side of UT which is why they will never be in the Big 12 as long as UT is there

and more then likely they will not be in the Big 12 as long as Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU are there because those three programs with or without Texas have no interest in uH coming in and trying to drag up past SWC business and trying to throw their "weight" around like they are the savior of the conference or some major player in the conference.....they can keep doing that crap in the AAC where they belong

it is highly likely that even with UT and OU gone (if they were gone) the remaining members of the Big 12 would not add a new 4th Texas team and instead they would look for different markets and for more amiable partners instead of one that is going to immediately come in and pretend they are some major power player

It would seem to me that Texas would perpetually use their blessing to admit UH into the conference to hold it over the Coug’s heads.

once a member is in there is nothing to hold over their heads they are in

adding another Texas public university from the stand point of Texas just means there is another school that believes they can use Texas politics to try and hold Texas in the Big 12 if they ever do decide to leave

it also means the other members of the Big 12 have to hear Texas politicians say things that act like they have any real sway over what the Big 12 does (just like they did with the recent expansion)

no other members of the Big 12 want that and Texas does not want that and no other Texas (public or private) universities in the Big 12 are interested in that......especially from a new member that is still wanting to bring up the business of the SWC and that will always be looking to try and get politicians involved because they were left behind when the SWC folded

contrary to popular belief there are really not many issues that members of the Big 12 currently disagree on and any that they might like a conference network were dealt with long ago and 100% of the current members know how all of that actually went down and why Texas has the LHN....they all know that OU, Nebraska, aggy, and most likely Kansas and MU were all against a conference network so blaming Texas for that is just message forum nonsense

there is not any additional "leverage" or "voting block" that Texas needs to try and build in the Big 12 because there are really not any major issues to solve and even if there were there is little chance that one additional vote that is (thought to be) "beholden" to Texas would make a difference

and again uH would probably vote the opposite of Texas just to try and poke at Texas even if it was also against the best outcome for uH as well......that is all uH would be good for in the Big 12

and other members of the Big 12 have little or no interest in having a new member that thinks they will come in and "throw their "weight" around" or "show them how to stand up to Texas" or any of that nonsense just like Texas is not interested in bringing in a member to try and believe they would vote with Texas

none of that is healthy for a conference especially with past SWC business wanting to be brought up by a potential new member or Texas politics attempted to be brought in

Texas wants and needs none of that and none of the other Big 12 members need it either

LOL. And there you have it, a perfect example of how complete cluelessness and trolling are often difficult tell apart. The reality is any addition to the Big12 in the situation being described would have one agenda—keep Texas happy so they don’t leave. That’s the only way the Big12 in that situation stays a P5. It’s basic self preservation by the dwarfs.

How would adding G5 schools keep Texas happy? It won’t. On the contrary, if the Big XII wants to self destruct, they would’ve done it already. You don’t give Texas an ultimatum if you’re Iowa State and West Virginia. You want to keep Texas happy and in exchange you keep your power school label.

I didnt start this thread or suggest adding G5's is what Texas wants. Ive only stated that if any G5 WAS added to the conference, that G5 is not going to act in any manner that might drive UT away (because that would essentially destroy the P5 conference they had aspired to).

My position is that it would take nearly 50 million in media value per new member just to provide a slight incentive (an extra 1 million per existing team) to add new teams to the Big12. Neither BYU or any G5 is going to provide that kind of media value. I think the Dude of WVirginia's expansion theory is full of it. I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

(08-06-2019 12:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 11:16 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 08:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 08:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3

Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.

"TheDude" also has an agenda against UC because they can't out recruit UC in Ohio. He purposely will play up any school for expansion outside of Cincinnati.

He is a complete homer idiot and eventually had to unfollow him when the trolling lost its fun.

It goes a little deeper than that. Early on Lambert would often mention UC as one of the top candidates for an expanded Big XII. Some of our fans gave him a hard time because they doubted his posts/claimed sources. He grew resentful due to what he saw as attacks, then started trashing UC every chance he got.

I am sure that is part of it as well. You also have UC's Fickell turning down the WVU job last offseason plus the fact that UC is currently a better program than WVU. It has built into a weird complex for the little man.

(08-08-2019 07:35 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 12:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 11:16 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 08:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 08:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3

Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.

"TheDude" also has an agenda against UC because they can't out recruit UC in Ohio. He purposely will play up any school for expansion outside of Cincinnati.

He is a complete homer idiot and eventually had to unfollow him when the trolling lost its fun.

It goes a little deeper than that. Early on Lambert would often mention UC as one of the top candidates for an expanded Big XII. Some of our fans gave him a hard time because they doubted his posts/claimed sources. He grew resentful due to what he saw as attacks, then started trashing UC every chance he got.

I am sure that is part of it as well. You also have UC's Fickell turning down the WVU job last offseason plus the fact that UC is currently a better program than WVU. It has built into a weird complex for the little man.

To someone without a dog in the fight, that seems less like analysis and more like smack talk. I don't know any unbiased observer who would reach a conclusion like that.

Question: Does the fact that there are more than 80 posts on this forum about some nonsense this hack posted on twitter indirectly put any money in his pocket? If so, then who are the dumb ones - us or the Dude?

Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

No he didn't as an offer was never made.
Gee liked Fickell but there was a fairly large buyout and he was fine with the AD making the pick.
Neil Brown was the number one target.

I'm flat out amazed there are 5 pages of comments on anything the Dude says. I mean he has been right so many times. LOL.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cincy is better than WVU this year.
Our ex coach really left the cupboard bare. We will be back.

(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

The AD had ties to Fickell and immediately approached him. Fickell didn't even want to interview.

But yea... WVU got their first choice.

(08-08-2019 01:26 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

The AD had ties to Fickell and immediately approached him. Fickell didn't even want to interview.

Probably because he is waiting on a bigger fish than WVU.

(08-07-2019 06:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

(08-08-2019 01:26 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

The AD had ties to Fickell and immediately approached him. Fickell didn't even want to interview.

But yea... WVU got their first choice.

And what would the WVU AD's ties to Fickell be?
I'll wait...……..
Hint - He has Bama ties. Fickell doesn't.

(08-08-2019 01:26 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

The AD had ties to Fickell and immediately approached him. Fickell didn't even want to interview.

But yea... WVU got their first choice.

Before the decision was made (or at least announced) the Cincinnati Enquirer was reporting that Neal Brown appeared to be the front runner for the WVU job. So yea, it would appear that they did, in fact, get their first choice.

There was no mention of Fickell having any ties to Shane Lyons. Only that UC fans needn't worry about him leaving.

^ Billy Bob is referring to WVU President Gordon Gee.

(08-08-2019 01:33 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 01:26 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

The AD had ties to Fickell and immediately approached him. Fickell didn't even want to interview.

Probably because he is waiting on a bigger fish than WVU.

Fickell has already landed a bigger fish than WVU.

(08-08-2019 09:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 07:35 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 12:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 11:16 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 08:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.

"TheDude" also has an agenda against UC because they can't out recruit UC in Ohio. He purposely will play up any school for expansion outside of Cincinnati.

He is a complete homer idiot and eventually had to unfollow him when the trolling lost its fun.

It goes a little deeper than that. Early on Lambert would often mention UC as one of the top candidates for an expanded Big XII. Some of our fans gave him a hard time because they doubted his posts/claimed sources. He grew resentful due to what he saw as attacks, then started trashing UC every chance he got.

I am sure that is part of it as well. You also have UC's Fickell turning down the WVU job last offseason plus the fact that UC is currently a better program than WVU. It has built into a weird complex for the little man.

To someone without a dog in the fight, that seems less like analysis and more like smack talk. I don't know any unbiased observer who would reach a conclusion like that.

Question: Does the fact that there are more than 80 posts on this forum about some nonsense this hack posted on twitter indirectly put any money in his pocket? If so, then who are the dumb ones - us or the Dude?

I take it you haven't looked at 80% of the threads on this forum!

Its a discussion.

This must be a “Throwback Thursday” because there was a time where every time this guy would spin some crazy bull**** yarn about some annual power or another heading to the Big 12, people would lap it up like it was kitty litter. There were even a number of journalists who fell for this guy’s obvious nonsense. I am looking at you, Dennis Dodd.

(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 06:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

(08-08-2019 03:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^ Billy Bob is referring to WVU President Gordon Gee.

Yep, however let the WVU fans tell themselves they got their guy while Fickell brings in better recruiting classes at UC.

(08-08-2019 09:02 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 06:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

No way Kansas would turndown a big 10 offer and a solo big 10 offer to KU probably cracks open the big 12. I would guess OU leaves the big 12 if KU is gone, not sure where OU goes though.

(08-09-2019 08:19 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 09:02 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 06:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

Kansas and Iowa State as a package adds almost zero financial value to the B1G, and they haven't been in the habit of making additions that reduce their per school payout substantially. Also, that combo further weakens them on the field relative to the rest of the P5, which would be difficult to stomach after adding Maryland and Rutgers.

Kansas and OU puts the Sooners in the position of giving up either Bedlam or the RRR, which I don't think they would do. Kansas and Texas leaves the Horns with very few games in their home state, which is vital to them.

The only path to a B12 exit for Kansas, IMO, would be if they went to the SEC with Texas.

(08-09-2019 09:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 08:19 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 09:02 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 06:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

Kansas and Iowa State as a package adds almost zero financial value to the B1G, and they haven't been in the habit of making additions that reduce their per school payout substantially. Also, that combo further weakens them on the field relative to the rest of the P5, which would be difficult to stomach after adding Maryland and Rutgers.

Kansas and OU puts the Sooners in the position of giving up either Bedlam or the RRR, which I don't think they would do. Kansas and Texas leaves the Horns with very few games in their home state, which is vital to them.

The only path to a B12 exit for Kansas, IMO, would be if they went to the SEC with Texas.

That KU was prepared to discuss a contingency plan is the bigger gesture here. And that they did it without some of their other conference mates. Iowa State isn't getting play in the Big Ten, but going to the Big Ten is a bit of a tell.

There is a price to long-term stability. TAMU walked out on Texas. Missouri on the Border War. Colorado and Nebraska from each other and the Big 8. And, who knows if Nebraska will return to its former glory in football. Kansas could leave for anywhere and still keep Kansas State on the schedule. That will be enough, I suspect.