College Football Playoff Money Distributions 2018-2019

American Athletic Conference $ 24,554,753
Atlantic Coast Conference $ 71,472,879
Big Ten Conference $ 64,601,524
Big 12 Conference $ 71,827,990
Conference USA $ 15,604,838
Mid-American Conference $ 14,129,881
Mountain West Conference $ 20,029,711
Pac-12 Conference $ 64,088,273
Southeastern Conference $ 83,620,675
Sun Belt Conference $ 17,079,796
Big Sky Conference $ 263,218
Big South Conference $ 263,218
Colonial Conference $ 263,218
Mid-Eastern Conference $ 263,218
Missouri Valley Conference $ 263,218
Ohio Valley Conference $ 263,218
Southern Conference $ 263,218
Southland Conference $ 263,218
Southwestern Athletic Conference $ 263,218
Patriot League $ 263,218
Brigham Young University $ 310,396
University of Massachusetts $ 310,396
Notre Dame University $ 11,238,625
U.S. Military Academy $ 310,396
Liberty University $ 310,396
New Mexico State University $ 310,396
Total CFP Distribution $ 462,433,107

Nice reply Dukeman, that’s the guy I know. A bunch of condescending copypasta.

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:52 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  No offense but I trust the players that keep choosing JMU over FBS schools their coaches their families and the NFL scouts that keep bringing in JMU players more than I do you. It’s pinited to think the way you and others think.

It is often mentioned that we beat out FBS teams for recruits, take your purple glasses off, we lose way more than we win in those battles. I'm proud of the guys who choose us, they make good decisions, but we have roughly half as many players on a full ride as any FBS team, and most would choose the full ride option if offered, many of the players simply cannot afford college with only half being paid for by someone else.

With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:52 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  No offense but I trust the players that keep choosing JMU over FBS schools their coaches their families and the NFL scouts that keep bringing in JMU players more than I do you. It’s pinited to think the way you and others think.

It is often mentioned that we beat out FBS teams for recruits, take your purple glasses off, we lose way more than we win in those battles. I'm proud of the guys who choose us, they make good decisions, but we have roughly half as many players on a full ride as any FBS team, and most would choose the full ride option if offered, many of the players simply cannot afford college with only half being paid for by someone else.

With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Yeah, it seems much easier at FBS where everyone is a full ride. Seems like kind of a nightmare slicing and dicing these scholarships at FCS. I am always curious as to how that works. Scholarships are year to year so if a kid is on 80% and has a down year do you call him into the office and tell him he's being bumped down to 60% or something. I've never understood how that works.

Also, with COA now in the picture, do all of the players receive the same amount or does it depend on the amount of scholarship you're on. Overall, just seems like a really complicated scenario and perhaps one that could create some divide within the team. I haven't seen any evidence of that but if I was on 70% and knew I was a better player and was producing more than a guy at 100%, I might get a little bitter about that. It's just natural.

(07-30-2019 09:18 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:52 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  No offense but I trust the players that keep choosing JMU over FBS schools their coaches their families and the NFL scouts that keep bringing in JMU players more than I do you. It’s pinited to think the way you and others think.

It is often mentioned that we beat out FBS teams for recruits, take your purple glasses off, we lose way more than we win in those battles. I'm proud of the guys who choose us, they make good decisions, but we have roughly half as many players on a full ride as any FBS team, and most would choose the full ride option if offered, many of the players simply cannot afford college with only half being paid for by someone else.

With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Yeah, it seems much easier at FBS where everyone is a full ride. Seems like kind of a nightmare slicing and dicing these scholarships at FCS. I am always curious as to how that works. Scholarships are year to year so if a kid is on 80% and has a down year do you call him into the office and tell him he's being bumped down to 60% or something. I've never understood how that works.

Also, with COA now in the picture, do all of the players receive the same amount or does it depend on the amount of scholarship you're on. Overall, just seems like a really complicated scenario and perhaps one that could create some divide within the team. I haven't seen any evidence of that but if I was on 70% and knew I was a better player and was producing more than a guy at 100%, I might get a little bitter about that. It's just natural.

Regarding your first paragraph, I believe this issue is a big reason we see FCS players reach their final year and leave the team. They want more and the coach doesn't feel they've earned it, possibly even less in his mind.

Regarding your second paragraph, I too would like a better understanding of how COA is divided. Do walk-on's get any at all? If you're on the team but lower percentage scholly do you get the same as someone on a full ride? I really believe the NCAA gives each school the ability to set it's own guidelines.

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:52 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  No offense but I trust the players that keep choosing JMU over FBS schools their coaches their families and the NFL scouts that keep bringing in JMU players more than I do you. It’s pinited to think the way you and others think.

It is often mentioned that we beat out FBS teams for recruits, take your purple glasses off, we lose way more than we win in those battles. I'm proud of the guys who choose us, they make good decisions, but we have roughly half as many players on a full ride as any FBS team, and most would choose the full ride option if offered, many of the players simply cannot afford college with only half being paid for by someone else.

With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Almost all of JMU’s signees have other offers. Most have multiple. Probably at least half have a I-A offer(s). If JMU wasn’t offering those guys (esp the ones with I-A offers), full rides, how would JMU get them to sign over other schools that were offering full rides?

That would be an good question to ask CC- how many are are full ride vs how many were on partials (I would have thought the number would be more like 50-55 full/15-25 partial)..

I could see guys with offers from places Morgan St and UNH pick JMU with just a partial scholly. They may not have a full ride to start with, and even if they do, JMU represents the better opportunity.

For players sitting on multiple FBS offers, would think it might take a full scholly for them to commit. The exception could be the service academies, since they typically require a service commitment post graduation. The military recently rescinded a policy allowing them to serve in the reserves rather than active duty (which makes a pro career much tougher).

(07-30-2019 06:18 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 05:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 05:07 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 02:48 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 02:31 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Thanks, because I’m not against FBS, or “moving up” but I am satisfied that JMU’s administration has played its cards appropriately, and has been prudent financially while JMU waits to see what unfolds with the P5. In the meantime, JMU is more than holding it own on a national level and making great strides as an institution with much needed facilities and program enhancement/growth. Keep rooting and Go Dukes!

How exactly has JMU been financially prudent in their decisions?

Read JMU’s annual reports. You might also want to check out the info at the following link:

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2019/02/22-leve...nomy.shtml

Well that’s not an answer. Congrats on that level 3 designation but we’re talking athletic departments here.

That’s exactly the answer, you just don’t like it. Fiscal responsibility cuts across all aspects of a university’s operations, including athletics. ODU enjoys none of the fiscal autonomy that is extended to UVA, W&M, VT, VCU and now JMU. How’s it feel to be a fan of an institution that isn’t trusted to manage its own fiscal affairs?

I said how EXACTLY has the choices JMU has made been prudent. And I was referring to your athletic department. You did not answer that question. I'd like details. You referenced the annual reports, cite them. I've seen them and see how much of a greater deficit JMU has from their football program than ODU. I've seen that we spend close to the same amount on travel, that your "other sports" spending doesn't outstrip ours by a great amount, I've seen that of your $52M dollar athletic budget $42M is subsidized compared to $28M for ODU and if you take the stated athletics fee and multiply that by your student population you get nowhere near that number.

Your football deficit is $5M and that's not accounting for the fact that $1.8M of football "revenues" is from the school itself (Tuition money, state funds, who knows). Funding an FCS program at the level that you do is anything but financially prudent. But please, I'd like to hear your argument about how JMU's choice to stay in FCS was more fiscally prudent than ODU's choice to go FBS because looking at the facts these reports it sure doesn't seem that way.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2018.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2018.pdf

(07-30-2019 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Fans will be fans, and some smack-talk is always welcome and to be expected. Most ODU folks are happy with their new FB stadium, and I’m happy for them. They’ve built a nice FCS sized stadium, albeit without the number of VIP boxes and club amenities found at BFS. Of course, ODU’s new FB stadium’s permanent seating capacity (as currently built) is nearly 20% smaller than BFS, and the elevation at Foreman (the height of the upper stands) is nearly 40 feet (4 stories!) lower than BFS (132’ vs 94’). Still, the new Foreman is a nice FCS stadium, on a par with the new FB stadium at Delaware.

ODU fans are fussing about Foreman’s current end zone bleachers, and are concerned about the placement and size of a new scoreboard. The more rabid ODU fans (and some like-minded JMU fans say the same thing) point to BFS as “lopsided” and the current original stands used primarily for student and visitor seating as aesthetically deficient. Those are all legit points of discussion, but what those ODU fans overlook is that BFS is seamlessly designed to be expanded to 40k, while any future expansion of Foreman is problematic. Maybe Foreman can be expanded to 30k with a new endzone setup, but Foreman (when built-out on its current footprint) will always have a less imposing physical presence than BFS. And unless something drastically changes, ODU will be hard-pressed to attract either the number of current students attending FB games (presently 8k at JMU), or match the MRDs.

Ultimately, ODU and JMU should be playing FB on the same level, and preferably in the same conference. The rivalry would only grow and benefit both schools.

That's a lot of BS. Looks like ODU already has more luxury seating than BFS and will add more suites on the sideline and the new stadium is ready to build out a third deck on both sides to bring capacity to over 30K, we'd just have to move some light poles. The only way we would match the number of students JMU has is by increasing the stadium size or losing a significant number of season ticket holders because the current allotment is half of that. Even in are worse performance years and JMU's bests we're nearly doubling the amount of season tickets sold.

If you want to play us then get off your ass and move to the level you should be at. Waiting for the perfect situation may leave you out in the cold. ODU would likely be your best ally in being included in a new regional conference. App would probably lobby as well but do other schools really care if JMU is included?

(07-31-2019 08:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Fans will be fans, and some smack-talk is always welcome and to be expected. Most ODU folks are happy with their new FB stadium, and I’m happy for them. They’ve built a nice FCS sized stadium, albeit without the number of VIP boxes and club amenities found at BFS. Of course, ODU’s new FB stadium’s permanent seating capacity (as currently built) is nearly 20% smaller than BFS, and the elevation at Foreman (the height of the upper stands) is nearly 40 feet (4 stories!) lower than BFS (132’ vs 94’). Still, the new Foreman is a nice FCS stadium, on a par with the new FB stadium at Delaware.

ODU fans are fussing about Foreman’s current end zone bleachers, and are concerned about the placement and size of a new scoreboard. The more rabid ODU fans (and some like-minded JMU fans say the same thing) point to BFS as “lopsided” and the current original stands used primarily for student and visitor seating as aesthetically deficient. Those are all legit points of discussion, but what those ODU fans overlook is that BFS is seamlessly designed to be expanded to 40k, while any future expansion of Foreman is problematic. Maybe Foreman can be expanded to 30k with a new endzone setup, but Foreman (when built-out on its current footprint) will always have a less imposing physical presence than BFS. And unless something drastically changes, ODU will be hard-pressed to attract either the number of current students attending FB games (presently 8k at JMU), or match the MRDs.

Ultimately, ODU and JMU should be playing FB on the same level, and preferably in the same conference. The rivalry would only grow and benefit both schools.

That's a lot of BS. Looks like ODU already has more luxury seating than BFS and will add more suites on the sideline and the new stadium is ready to build out a third deck on both sides to bring capacity to over 30K, we'd just have to move some light poles. The only way we would match the number of students JMU has is by increasing the stadium size or losing a significant number of season ticket holders because the current allotment is half of that. Even in are worse performance years and JMU's bests we're nearly doubling the amount of season tickets sold.

If you want to play us then get off your ass and move to the level you should be at. Waiting for the perfect situation may leave you out in the cold. ODU would likely be your best ally in being included in a new regional conference. App would probably lobby as well but do other schools really care if JMU is included?

yes, the other schools care. why would you not want to be aligned with the crown jewel and the 5k we would bring to every away game.

the regional conference or JMU &ODU to the aac are the best outcomes.

(07-31-2019 08:44 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 08:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Fans will be fans, and some smack-talk is always welcome and to be expected. Most ODU folks are happy with their new FB stadium, and I’m happy for them. They’ve built a nice FCS sized stadium, albeit without the number of VIP boxes and club amenities found at BFS. Of course, ODU’s new FB stadium’s permanent seating capacity (as currently built) is nearly 20% smaller than BFS, and the elevation at Foreman (the height of the upper stands) is nearly 40 feet (4 stories!) lower than BFS (132’ vs 94’). Still, the new Foreman is a nice FCS stadium, on a par with the new FB stadium at Delaware.

ODU fans are fussing about Foreman’s current end zone bleachers, and are concerned about the placement and size of a new scoreboard. The more rabid ODU fans (and some like-minded JMU fans say the same thing) point to BFS as “lopsided” and the current original stands used primarily for student and visitor seating as aesthetically deficient. Those are all legit points of discussion, but what those ODU fans overlook is that BFS is seamlessly designed to be expanded to 40k, while any future expansion of Foreman is problematic. Maybe Foreman can be expanded to 30k with a new endzone setup, but Foreman (when built-out on its current footprint) will always have a less imposing physical presence than BFS. And unless something drastically changes, ODU will be hard-pressed to attract either the number of current students attending FB games (presently 8k at JMU), or match the MRDs.

Ultimately, ODU and JMU should be playing FB on the same level, and preferably in the same conference. The rivalry would only grow and benefit both schools.

That's a lot of BS. Looks like ODU already has more luxury seating than BFS and will add more suites on the sideline and the new stadium is ready to build out a third deck on both sides to bring capacity to over 30K, we'd just have to move some light poles. The only way we would match the number of students JMU has is by increasing the stadium size or losing a significant number of season ticket holders because the current allotment is half of that. Even in are worse performance years and JMU's bests we're nearly doubling the amount of season tickets sold.

If you want to play us then get off your ass and move to the level you should be at. Waiting for the perfect situation may leave you out in the cold. ODU would likely be your best ally in being included in a new regional conference. App would probably lobby as well but do other schools really care if JMU is included?

yes, the other schools care. why would you not want to be aligned with the crown jewel and the 5k we would bring to every away game.

the regional conference or JMU &ODU to the aac are the best outcomes.

So look at the eastern members of the Sun Belt and CUSA where most of the schools of an east coast conference would come from. Assume we're making a 12 member conference. Which of those schools are you beating out?

all of them.

What is the exit fee from CUSA. Thought it might be as high as 2.5 Million. So why would a team give up all CFP distribution, which you can see in the above post is over 1M per team, and pay an exit fee and give up an NCAA auto-bid. To join a new Eastern Conference. Was wrong about the old Big East splitting up and UConn leaving the AAC, so probably could be wrong here. That is a lot of money to give up. Independents as far as I know do not get 300k if making the APR and they split 0.5% of the CFP distribution, which last year was around 310k each and drops to around 261k with another indy, UConn.

If it wasn't for the exit fee, can see it as some have posted they could save 1.5M in travel expenses, making up most of the CFP money.
What is the exit fee for the Sun Belt. The exit fee for the A10 is 1M with 2 years notice or 2M.

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

(07-31-2019 08:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 08:44 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 08:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Fans will be fans, and some smack-talk is always welcome and to be expected. Most ODU folks are happy with their new FB stadium, and I’m happy for them. They’ve built a nice FCS sized stadium, albeit without the number of VIP boxes and club amenities found at BFS. Of course, ODU’s new FB stadium’s permanent seating capacity (as currently built) is nearly 20% smaller than BFS, and the elevation at Foreman (the height of the upper stands) is nearly 40 feet (4 stories!) lower than BFS (132’ vs 94’). Still, the new Foreman is a nice FCS stadium, on a par with the new FB stadium at Delaware.

ODU fans are fussing about Foreman’s current end zone bleachers, and are concerned about the placement and size of a new scoreboard. The more rabid ODU fans (and some like-minded JMU fans say the same thing) point to BFS as “lopsided” and the current original stands used primarily for student and visitor seating as aesthetically deficient. Those are all legit points of discussion, but what those ODU fans overlook is that BFS is seamlessly designed to be expanded to 40k, while any future expansion of Foreman is problematic. Maybe Foreman can be expanded to 30k with a new endzone setup, but Foreman (when built-out on its current footprint) will always have a less imposing physical presence than BFS. And unless something drastically changes, ODU will be hard-pressed to attract either the number of current students attending FB games (presently 8k at JMU), or match the MRDs.

Ultimately, ODU and JMU should be playing FB on the same level, and preferably in the same conference. The rivalry would only grow and benefit both schools.

That's a lot of BS. Looks like ODU already has more luxury seating than BFS and will add more suites on the sideline and the new stadium is ready to build out a third deck on both sides to bring capacity to over 30K, we'd just have to move some light poles. The only way we would match the number of students JMU has is by increasing the stadium size or losing a significant number of season ticket holders because the current allotment is half of that. Even in are worse performance years and JMU's bests we're nearly doubling the amount of season tickets sold.

If you want to play us then get off your ass and move to the level you should be at. Waiting for the perfect situation may leave you out in the cold. ODU would likely be your best ally in being included in a new regional conference. App would probably lobby as well but do other schools really care if JMU is included?

yes, the other schools care. why would you not want to be aligned with the crown jewel and the 5k we would bring to every away game.

the regional conference or JMU &ODU to the aac are the best outcomes.

So look at the eastern members of the Sun Belt and CUSA where most of the schools of an east coast conference would come from. Assume we're making a 12 member conference. Which of those schools are you beating out?

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

You're kidding right? They're mostly directionals who've already plateaued. #StCopiusofNorthern.....

(07-31-2019 09:29 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  What is the exit fee from CUSA. Thought it might be as high as 2.5 Million. So why would a team give up all CFP distribution, which you can see in the above post is over 1M per team, and pay an exit fee and give up an NCAA auto-bid. To join a new Eastern Conference. Was wrong about the old Big East splitting up and UConn leaving the AAC, so probably could be wrong here. That is a lot of money to give up. Independents as far as I know do not get 300k if making the APR and they split 0.5% of the CFP distribution, which last year was around 310k each and drops to around 261k with another indy, UConn.

We'd have to reform within the framework of the existing leagues or get a waiver for the autobid and included in the next CFP contract (and this might very well kill off either the SB or CUSA in the process so the waiver would be easier). But you're right, no one is doing what you suggest. It's considerably more difficult to make a new league than when the MWC had their airport meeting. But if there's enough AD's that agree there will be a way forward, it would also mean that a lot of those votes would be needed to make it happen so schools already in these conferences would need assurance that they wouldn't be left out in the cold. So if ODU wants JMU included but to make the whole thing work we'll need CCU's vote as an existing member of the SB, then CCU it is. Politics. JMU shoulda jumped already.

(07-31-2019 09:34 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 08:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 08:44 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 08:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Fans will be fans, and some smack-talk is always welcome and to be expected. Most ODU folks are happy with their new FB stadium, and I’m happy for them. They’ve built a nice FCS sized stadium, albeit without the number of VIP boxes and club amenities found at BFS. Of course, ODU’s new FB stadium’s permanent seating capacity (as currently built) is nearly 20% smaller than BFS, and the elevation at Foreman (the height of the upper stands) is nearly 40 feet (4 stories!) lower than BFS (132’ vs 94’). Still, the new Foreman is a nice FCS stadium, on a par with the new FB stadium at Delaware.

ODU fans are fussing about Foreman’s current end zone bleachers, and are concerned about the placement and size of a new scoreboard. The more rabid ODU fans (and some like-minded JMU fans say the same thing) point to BFS as “lopsided” and the current original stands used primarily for student and visitor seating as aesthetically deficient. Those are all legit points of discussion, but what those ODU fans overlook is that BFS is seamlessly designed to be expanded to 40k, while any future expansion of Foreman is problematic. Maybe Foreman can be expanded to 30k with a new endzone setup, but Foreman (when built-out on its current footprint) will always have a less imposing physical presence than BFS. And unless something drastically changes, ODU will be hard-pressed to attract either the number of current students attending FB games (presently 8k at JMU), or match the MRDs.

Ultimately, ODU and JMU should be playing FB on the same level, and preferably in the same conference. The rivalry would only grow and benefit both schools.

That's a lot of BS. Looks like ODU already has more luxury seating than BFS and will add more suites on the sideline and the new stadium is ready to build out a third deck on both sides to bring capacity to over 30K, we'd just have to move some light poles. The only way we would match the number of students JMU has is by increasing the stadium size or losing a significant number of season ticket holders because the current allotment is half of that. Even in are worse performance years and JMU's bests we're nearly doubling the amount of season tickets sold.

If you want to play us then get off your ass and move to the level you should be at. Waiting for the perfect situation may leave you out in the cold. ODU would likely be your best ally in being included in a new regional conference. App would probably lobby as well but do other schools really care if JMU is included?

yes, the other schools care. why would you not want to be aligned with the crown jewel and the 5k we would bring to every away game.

the regional conference or JMU &ODU to the aac are the best outcomes.

So look at the eastern members of the Sun Belt and CUSA where most of the schools of an east coast conference would come from. Assume we're making a 12 member conference. Which of those schools are you beating out?

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

You're kidding right? They're mostly directionals who've already plateaued. #StCopiusofNorthern.....

They are also the schools making the decision. Do you think CUSA east members would choose JMU over Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee? Probably not. And it's not a choice they'd have to make because MT and WKU are already here and would be included in any split or reorganization. JMU is the question mark.

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Oh yeah? Which AAC official made those quotes? When did the visit occur? I don't see JMU as heads and shoulders above most of the schools in CUSA or SB. But then again I don't wear purple glasses.

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Yep, and while JMU thrives ODU fans will wallow about hoping they can eek out 6 wins to make some toilet bowl in their FCS-sized stadium. It’s sad really that ODU fans feel compelled to post blarney on the JMU board to bolster their fragile egos. Again, it must be tough being categorized as the lesser of not only VCU, but JMU by the General Assembly.